00:00Witnesses are reminded you're under oath and you're here to answer questions to the committee.
00:06I now recognize Mr. Kazar from Texas for five minutes.
00:12Chairwoman Green, you and my Republican colleagues have called this hearing that is all about cutting off money to nonprofits for things that are, quote, contrary to the national interest.
00:28What we've heard here is my Republican colleagues going after nuns and priests that feed immigrants, going after nonprofits that do scary things like support our queer youth.
00:42It is astounding to me.
00:45But we do have one nonprofit leader here, Mr. Krikorian.
00:50Mr. Krikorian, you're the director of the Center for Immigration Studies, correct?
00:55Yes.
00:55And according to your organization's website, you do receive taxpayer funding or have from the Department of Justice and the Census Bureau.
01:04Yeah, we did research contracts for them many years ago.
01:06Got it.
01:07And so you do have a taxpayer funded nonprofit and your nonprofit, as we've discussed in committee before, has shared articles from Kevin MacDonald, whose work argues that Jewish people alleged by him are genetically driven to destroy Western societies.
01:26Is that correct?
01:27We distributed no such article.
01:29But you did distribute work from this anti-Semite, correct?
01:34We distributed work all across the spectrum, from New York Times to anyone else.
01:38Got it.
01:39Okay.
01:39Your organization has also circulated an article by Holocaust denier John Friend.
01:44Is that correct?
01:45We said last time we were in a hearing that, yes, you have distributed.
01:48We've distributed no articles about Holocaust denial, obviously.
01:52But you have from Holocaust denier John Friend?
01:54I don't know, but I assume so.
01:57Your website right here does talk about that.
02:00Yeah.
02:00So I have a yes or no question.
02:03Is promoting the work of Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites contrary to the national interest?
02:09Promoting Holocaust denial and what have you is contrary to the national interest.
02:14That's why we haven't done it.
02:15But you have promoted the work of Holocaust deniers.
02:20Like John Friend.
02:21There were several examples.
02:22We've also promoted the work of open borders people in that broad, that effort to present
02:28a broad range of views.
02:30Absolutely.
02:30And we don't endorse one way or the other.
02:32And so you have promoted the work of Holocaust deniers.
02:35But have you received anything from Doge asking whether they want to cut your funding?
02:42Have Republicans called you in to ask about your nonprofit and said, hey, we don't like
02:49that you've promoted the work of Holocaust deniers?
02:51Have you had any funding cut by Doge or by this committee?
02:55We don't get any funding to be cut.
02:58But you have received Department of Justice funding.
03:01Decades ago.
03:02Yes.
03:02Yeah.
03:02And so, look, let me just be real clear here.
03:06This hearing is not about taking on nonprofits that are going, quote, against the national
03:13interest or who are, quote, extreme.
03:17This is all about trying to shut down nonprofits who might share political views that are different
03:24from that of the President of the United States.
03:26This hearing, they're going after organizations they call radical because they're kind to kids
03:33that are having trouble in school, kind to kids that are trying to figure out who they
03:37are in the world.
03:38They're going after nonprofits.
03:39You, sir, and your nonprofit are saying that the radical people are the priests and nuns
03:45that feed the hungry.
03:47The nonprofit organizations that, yeah, give shelter to immigrants that I understand your
03:52Center of Immigration Studies does not like immigration very much.
03:57But let me tell you, the radical folks aren't the folks out there doing good.
04:02The radical folks that you might disagree with, their version of the good, but the radical
04:07folks are the people that, in your face, come to this committee hearing and are sharing
04:12through their websites, through their listservs, articles by Holocaust deniers.
04:18And you're saying, yeah, we didn't share the Holocaust denying articles, but we shared some
04:22of his other stuff.
04:24I'll make my last point here clear.
04:26I represent Texas.
04:28I have longstanding ties to the city of El Paso, where in 2019, 23 people were murdered
04:33at a Walmart.
04:36The murderer said, quote, it was based on the Hispanic invasion of Texas.
04:41And after the shooting, Mr. Krikorian, you said that the manifesto was, quote, remarkably
04:47well written.
04:49Can you tell us which part of his manifesto was remarkably well written?
04:52What I meant by that was for, that it seemed improbable for a nutcase like that to have
04:57written something that was relatively, at least grammatically correct.
05:02That was my point.
05:02Look, folks here on this committee are trying to shut down non-profits because they disagree
05:10with them.
05:11You're a non-profit and you, sir, saying that the El Paso shooter had a manifesto that was
05:17remarkably well written.
05:17The gentleman's time has expired.
05:18That is extreme.
05:19And what goes around comes around.
05:21The gentleman's time has expired.
05:23Chairwoman, okay.
05:24I now recognize Mr. Jack from Georgia for five minutes.
05:27I just want to make clear that what goes around can come around.
