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00:30Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Wednesday, June 4, 2025. Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski joins us now. Colonel Karen, a pleasure, my dear friend. Thank you for joining us. Did NATO and the United States just accelerate their war against Russia with these drone attacks that happened over the weekend?
00:56I mean, of course they did. This is the opposite of an action you would take if you were interested in peace, an imminent peace, any type of agreement. So, yeah, it looks like the same old war. It looks like Biden's war pretty much right now.
01:13If the Biden — if President Biden signed a presidential finding authorizing this, which is what would be necessary — I'm using the technical phrase presidential finding. And if the CIA was behind this — and I'll ask you about the CIA and MI6 and Mossad in a moment — wouldn't somebody have told President Trump?
01:35Yeah. I mean, that is exactly why he has intelligence. That's why Tulsi Gabbard is there as his intelligence officer, his advisor. This information should definitely — I mean, this is an attack on a nuclear pier for no reason other than the proxy war. But this is serious business. I mean, they attacked the airborne leg of the triad, of Russia's triad. Can you imagine?
02:03It's something like that. It happened in a couple of our bases here, deep in the heartland.
02:09What does the word triad mean? I know what it means literally, but what does it mean in this case?
02:16Yeah, well, you know, for the nuclear deterrence idea, that was an old idea. I'm not sure if we still have it. But the idea of nuclear deterrence is no matter what you do, you know, mutually assured destruction. And it's done through recallable aircraft, bombers, long-range bombers that are armed nuclear-capable bombers.
02:35And then, of course, your missiles, which are ground-launched. And that's some of which we have in Europe and different places, and a lot of them here. And those aren't recallable, as far as I know.
02:43And then you have your submarine-launched nuclear missiles. And those, of course, I'm not sure they're recallable. And actually, those are the ones that, if they go off, the war doesn't get stopped.
02:54So, if you take out the one leg, which is the, or attack the one leg, which is the aircraft, those are the ones that are piloted by human beings. So, they can launch, and they don't necessarily have to end up in a nuclear war. They can be recalled. It's kind of a, maybe the safest fail-safe of having a nuclear war.
03:17Much like President Lyndon Johnson ordered American jets, recalled, when they were about to retaliate for the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, they can turn around mid-flight before they attack their target, right?
03:33Sure. Sure. That's very funny. But, yeah, absolutely. You have a pilot, you can get in touch with that pilot, and he can change his flight plan. And that's not the same with unmanned capabilities.
03:46Like the submarine-launched or the ground-launched. So, yeah, it's a big deal. And on Russia, of course, their capability, their nuclear deterrence mirrors, in many ways, ours.
03:57So, this is, you know, this submarine land-launched and aircraft-launched is part of, it's a triad for them, just as it is for us. So, very similar.
04:08Is there any doubt that CIA, MI6, and probably Mossad were behind this?
04:16You know, I don't have, I don't have the data. I think I would, with high confidence, I would say that they were probably involved in it, aware of it, had foreknowledge of it.
04:28I mean, you know, we could say this also about a lot of things. 9-11, did some agencies of the government and other governments have foreknowledge? Yes, they did.
04:36October 7th, did governments have foreknowledge? Egypt warned Israel in advance of October 7th, and that was ignored.
04:43So, foreknowledge is a given. I think there was foreknowledge. Were they involved in making it happen? Probably. Probably. But I don't, I'm not exactly confident.
04:55Well, in this case, I believe it's called the SBU, the Ukrainian intel. Aren't they wedded at the hip, almost to the point of subservience to MI6 and CIA?
05:06Well, that's, that is pretty much, I mean, I don't think there would be an effective SBU without MI6 and the CIA.
05:14And realize, too, you know, we're not talking about just since 2020 or 2022. We're talking about since even before 2014, our integration, this idea of adding Ukraine to NATO, preparing them for NATO membership.
05:30This has been going on for a long time, and that, that goes along with not just military doctrine, but intelligence doctrine.
05:36Yeah, it's, and, and, you know, there's some similarities. I wrote about it. It's, it's on your site, I think, now, or it will be soon, comparing this to some extent to the way the pager attack was done.
05:50You know, Mossad's pager attack against Hezbollah in Lebanon.
05:53Well, that's why I ask about Mossad, because this is very, very reminiscent of that pager attack.
05:58I thought of the pager attack immediately after I had learned that the drones were secreted into Russia, put together there, taken out of the boxes there, and exploded from trucks with retractable roofs.
06:13It sounds like Mossad.
06:15Yeah.
06:16The, the use of, well, I use the word booby trapped, and that is actually a word that the UN regulations on how war is supposed to be fought.
06:25You know, they don't like booby traps. Some, some types of booby traps are illegal in international law, and it's kind of in that category of a booby trap, but it's also leveraging normal, modern trade and marketplace activity.
06:41Because, you know, the, the way the Mossad did their pager attack, you know, they took over an LLC or posed as one, you know, to enter, to insert themselves into the supply chain.
06:52And these trucks with the, with the, with the drones on them that made their way to these various bases deep inside of Russia, these were commercial trucks.
07:02I mean, these were truckers saying, hey, you know, put my load on, I'll hook my rig up to it, and I'll take it wherever it needs to go.
07:07So that, they leveraged normality in many ways.
07:12And that's very scary, because if they can do it in war, they can do it anytime, and, and they can do it anywhere.
07:19So there's, there's a kind of a UN discouragement of this kind of thing, and certainly it, it doesn't seem 100% fair.
07:27It is effective, though. It's very effective, at least one time. It's effective one time.
07:31Right, right. Right before we went on air, you and I, literally minutes before we went on air, President Trump posted on his own website, Truth Social.
07:45Chris has turned it into a full screen, and I will, I will read it.
07:50I just finished speaking by telephone with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
07:55The call lasted approximately one hour and 15 minutes.
07:59We discussed the attack on Russia's docked airplanes by Ukraine, and also various other attacks that have been taking place by both sides.
08:08It was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace.
08:13Now, this part is in red. I don't know if he put it in red, or somehow he emphasized it.
08:17But President Putin did say, Chris put it in red, okay.
08:21President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attacks on the airfields.
08:30We also discussed Iran and the fact that time is running out on Iran's decision pertaining to nuclear weapons, which must be made quickly.
08:38I stated to President Putin that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and on this, I believe we were in agreement.
08:45So the news is, A, they talked, B, Putin's going to do something.
08:51Of course Putin's going to do something.
08:53Could you imagine if this happened here in the United States?
08:58We would have been all over the place by now.
09:00Yeah, we do not have any leaders that have the statesman capability or the patience of Putin.
09:12We just don't have that.
09:13I mean, he thinks about his role, and he aspires to fill the role in the best way he knows how.
09:20That is not how we get presidents in this country.
09:22You know, our presidents are political showmen, and that's what they're good at.
09:26Not at handling war, which is good, which is good that they talked, because we don't want to be blamed.
09:32What do you think the Russian response will be?
09:34He must be under tremendous pressure, Karen.
09:37Yeah.
09:38Oh, yeah.
09:38To do something dramatic.
09:39Not PR, because that's not the way he operates.
09:43Colonel McGregor calls this thing a Zelensky PR stunt.
09:47But if Putin does it, it'll be substantive.
09:49Do you agree?
09:50Oh, yeah.
09:52Yeah, he does have.
09:53I mean, imagine how we would feel in this country.
09:55I mean, you could consider the right half the country would be demanding we nuclear, you know, we turned somebody into a bargain lot over something like this.
10:05There was a lot of investment lost in those aircraft, multiple billions of dollars worth of aircraft.
10:13Certainly not the embarrassment so much, but it is real damage.
10:18It is real war damage.
10:20Not, I think, what Ukraine is advertising, but it was effective.
10:23So, you know, he's definitely going to have to have something that is on par with the value that was lost and with the prestige that was also lost, even though, you know, we're not hearing Russia point fingers at each other.
10:38But you can imagine what's going on behind closed doors.
10:41This was not just a big attack, effective attack.
10:44It was an embarrassing attack.
10:46And so the retaliation is going to have to compensate for the physical or financial losses, the strategic capability losses and the public face losses.
10:58Okay, there's three types of losses, and I think he's going to take all those out of Ukraine's back.
11:05And that means, I would think, attacks on Kiev and some of the major cities, and I think he's not going to hold back.
11:10And I don't think he should because not only did Zelensky encourage and support and do this thing and then brag about it, he also has been extremely uncooperative.
11:22He's not willing to cede political power, he's not willing to have elections, he's not willing to face the reality on the ground, which is that Russia will not return land that is filled with Russian people that has become part of the Russian state.
11:38They're not going to do that.
11:39And yet he is crying about, I need this, I need that, I want Crimea back.
11:43I mean, the guy is off his rocker.
11:45And so he needs something to wake Zelensky up, and to some extent, the Europeans who talk big, but they have empty pocketbooks, European military capability, NATO military capability, they can't sustain this much longer.
11:58And they need to realize reality as well.
12:02So I think that's what the response will be.
12:04Here's President, you won't like this, but here's President Zelensky boasting about all this.
12:09Chris, cut number 10.
12:10Europe, together with America, has better weapons than Russia.
12:16We also have stronger tactical solutions.
12:19Our operation Spiderweb yesterday proved that Russia must feel what its losses mean.
12:26That is what will push it toward diplomacy.
12:29And when Russia takes losses in this war, it's obvious to everyone that Ukraine is the one holding the line, not just for itself, but for all of Europe.
12:40I mean, does he really think, how could a rational person think that a series of attacks like this will have a beneficial diplomatic result?
12:51This is going to have a catastrophic military result.
12:55Does he not understand the Russian mind after two and a half years of war against them?
12:59Yeah, he has his own angry nationalist Nazi crowd behind him.
13:08And they will remove him if they need to.
13:12And they will not just remove him, they will retaliate against him if he fails.
13:15So, you know, here's a guy who really was a comedian, possibly a politician, but certainly not a leader of his country, certainly no kind of particular patriot for Ukraine.
13:27And he is willing, because he is not a Ukrainian patriot.
13:31He's willing to throw what's left of his country away.
13:36He's willing to do that.
13:38And that's what's going to happen.
13:40You know, he complained at Istanbul, the one-hour meeting that they had earlier this week, he complained that, oh, the Russians were so arrogant.
13:47And if that's not projecting, I don't know.
13:50I don't know what is.
13:51You wrote an interesting piece called, not slouching, but sneaking into World War III.
14:03Even Colonel or General Kellogg, of whom I'm not a fan and with whom you and I rarely agree, warned that this level of attacks throughout Russia could accelerate the war into something far more dastardly than anybody ever expected.
14:23What do you mean we are sneaking into World War III?
14:27Well, fundamentally, no rational person on the planet, certainly not in the U.S., in Europe, or in Russia, wants World War III.
14:39Nobody wants a nuclear war.
14:42But the elites do.
14:44The elites do.
14:45And they have, you know, war saves them in many ways.
14:49It saves them the trouble of dealing with unhappy populations.
14:53It saves them from dealing with their debt.
14:56You know, one of the easiest ways to wipe out your debt is war.
15:00This is how they do it.
15:01I mean, they accumulate more debt, but the old debt gets wiped away very often.
15:05So the elites believe that a nuclear war can be conducted.
15:10And I say the elites.
15:11Many in Washington, including in the Rand Corporation, you know, they've proposed fight.
15:16How do you fight and win a nuclear war?
15:18And this is not how we used to talk 30 years ago.
15:21But it is how they talk now.
15:22Survivable nuclear war.
15:23Limited nuclear war.
15:26This is what's on their minds.
15:27This is what they think.
15:29And so they're willing to do that.
15:30And they're working very hard to do it.
15:32Because as the popular opinion, and certainly in the West, certainly in Europe and in the United States, increasingly moves to nationalism, populism, peaceful, you know, peacenics, I guess you could say.
15:45I mean, people want peace.
15:46And that voice is finding a place in these countries.
15:49And the elites can't stand it.
15:51I mean, look at the NATO reaction to, you know, to what's going on.
15:55They say, oh, we're going to fight Russia.
15:57And if we don't, we're going to have to, even if we can't.
15:59So we've got to do all these things.
16:00And nobody in Europe wants to pay for any of that.
16:04They don't want to pay for it.
16:04They don't want to be in the military for it.
16:06They don't want to deal with it.
16:08They'd like their quality of life to go back to what it was, you know, four or five years ago.
16:12That's what they want.
16:13But the elites don't want that.
16:15They don't have the same problems as the actual people.
16:17So they're willing.
16:18And they also don't need us.
16:20You know, they're willing to sacrifice the resources and the humanity and the environment that a nuclear conflict would do.
16:28They're willing to do that.
16:29Most people are not.
16:30And I don't trust them.
16:31And I think they're very diligently sneaking us into a really terrible war.
16:37And honestly, Zelensky may have a point.
16:42It was a very bold attack, this Operation Spiderweb, you know, to directly attack deep in territory a leg of the nuclear triad.
16:54That has not been done in a long, long time.
16:57And there's a reason.
16:58Because smart people know that's not smart, okay?
17:01Zelensky's not smart.
17:02And they're gambling with Ukrainian lives, European lives, and even American lives.
17:07And not to mention, you know, the rest of the world.
17:10I just don't.
17:10I would really think that Trump should fire.
17:12If he didn't know about this, he should fire Gabbard and he should fire Hegseth or John Ratcliffe, whoever, in his international security circle.
17:26Even Marco Rubio knew about this and didn't tell him.
17:30Yeah.
17:30Yeah.
17:31Those folks need to go.
17:32And also, it's very likely that the neocons and the Zionists in the administration did have some awareness of it.
17:40It's very likely Mossad also did because they pay attention to these kinds of things.
17:44And, of course, the CIA.
17:45So, I think people in our administration, in Trump's administration, did know.
17:51And I think he needs to dig down and get them.
17:53Now, you remember a couple, three, four weeks ago, Hegseth fired some of his advisors.
17:59And they were people that wanted an America First defense policy.
18:03And they got, I mean, to a man, three barriers to war were let go under basically fraudulent.
18:12It looks like it is actually a made up of charges, fraudulent charges.
18:17And that tells you there's some stuff going on in there.
18:23Here's somebody that rarely you and I agree with, but he agrees with everything you just said.
18:30There are some aggressive attacks on Senator Graham in this, well-deserved.
18:36But he fears slouching toward World War III.
18:43Of all people, it's Steve Bannon on News Nation with my friend and former colleague Chris Cuomo.
18:51Our Chris, cut number eight.
18:53We can have people over there telling the Ukrainians that we're going to back more.
18:58What we're trying to do is calm this down.
19:00What President Trump is trying to say is, look, we can't have Lindsey Graham, and particularly Zelensky, leading us into a third world war with a deep strike into Russia.
19:09And Putin came back today and said, hey, we're going to get to the bottom of this, and we're going to see who's accountable in Ukraine and beyond.
19:15And that was a message to the United States.
19:17What he's doing over there right now is stirring it up.
19:20He's giving Ukrainians false hope that we're there to support them on engaging Russia in a kinetic conflict, and we are not.
19:28Two things ought to happen.
19:29Either cancel his passport and don't lay back in the country, or put him in jail if he comes back.
19:34And people better wake up to the fact that we're getting sucked into this war.
19:39If the intelligence community actually did this, this is an act of war against Russia.
19:43Do the American people vote to go to war with the Russian people?
19:46I agree with everything he said.
19:49I'm not so sure about arresting Senator Graham.
19:52But if the intelligence community did this, it's inconceivable that they didn't either do it or know about it.
19:59If they didn't do it and didn't know about it, they should be fired.
20:04That's right.
20:04They are burned either way.
20:06But if they knew about it and did not inform the president, that's bad enough, but didn't let their counterparts know this could have been a tipping point into a nuclear conflict of some sort.
20:24In the old days, if your nuclear capability was attacked, that was war.
20:30That's enough.
20:30That's war against another nuclear state.
20:33So this is what Zelensky did.
20:36And also, I do agree with him on both, I forget, the Democrat Congress senator that went over with Graham.
20:44But both of those guys.
20:45Now, Blumenthal, Senator Blumenthal of Connecticut.
20:48Yeah, it's very interesting that in a time where we are, where the president in particular is pushing for peace there, he's trying to disentangle ourselves and face reality, push for a peace that's honorable between all parties.
21:03At the time that he's doing that, he would send Blumenthal, he didn't send them, but Blumenthal and Graham do not reflect Trump's America first ideas and never have, never have suggested that they do.
21:16So for them to go over there and speak to Zelensky, especially when, I don't know about Blumenthal, but Graham is certainly a friend of Zelensky, a personal friend.
21:25They've had many, many meetings before.
21:27For that to happen underneath, I mean, isn't that like making foreign policy?
21:32And I thought that was the executive response.
21:34There used to be, there used to be laws that were once enforced against members of Congress making their own foreign policy.
21:39Here is the aforementioned, this will aggravate your stomach, Karen.
21:43Here comes apologies ahead of time.
21:46Here is the aforementioned Senator Richard Blumenthal on June 1st.
21:53Chris, cut number three.
21:54Putin is playing President Trump.
21:57He's taking him for a sucker.
21:58He is, in effect, stalling and stonewalling, prolonging the conversation so that he can mount this offensive and take control of more territory on the ground.
22:12If I were President Trump, I'd be insulted and offended by this affront personally, as well as to the United States of America.
22:22And America should be angry, deeply angry.
22:25Senator Graham, in the same interview, the same conversation, Chris, cut number two.
22:32We saw credible evidence of a summer, early fall invasion, a new offensive by Putin.
22:40He's playing the game at the peace table.
22:42He's preparing for more war.
22:44And I think the Senate is fed up with Putin.
22:47The American people see Putin as unreasonable.
22:50They say Ukraine is trying.
22:52President Trump has made that distinction real.
22:55So the Senate and the House of Representatives in the next two weeks will be moving forward with a sanctioned bill that's bone crushing.
23:07OK, first off, bone crushing, really?
23:11OK, that tells you right there he's off his, he understands nothing, nothing about foreign policy or global economics.
23:18Bone crushing, that's a joke.
23:21But his, this view of Putin not being serious, I mean, his team in the second round of talks in Istanbul, they've had two meetings, has been extremely well prepared.
23:34They have laid out very detailed documents that could actually lead to an agreement.
23:40They are ready to go.
23:41They're not playing.
23:42If, if some, if Zelensky signed or even dealt with and talked about the proposals that Russia has, the peace would happen.
23:52Now, Zelensky is like living in a fantasy world.
23:54He hasn't lost the war.
23:55The U.S. will continue to support him.
23:57He can wait Trump out and get a Democrat in.
23:59And then all, everything will be happy for him again.
24:02You know, meanwhile, the reality on the ground is Ukraine is shrinking.
24:05It is shrinking and shrinking and shrinking.
24:07It has already been mostly sold off to BlackRock and the big, the big investment firms.
24:13You know, their, their wealth, their future has been wasted.
24:16Their children have been wasted.
24:18Their, their, their, their folks that left the refugees or folks that went to Europe and America and Canada and other places are not returning to rebuild Ukraine.
24:30OK, all of this is reality.
24:33So, it's Zelensky for him not to address this, not be willing to have peace and then to whisper in idiot brain Graham and Blumenthal's ears, who obviously haven't learned a thing in 30 or 40 years in, you know, in the Senate.
24:48It's just insane.
24:50It's just absolutely insane.
24:51So, I don't buy it.
24:53Luckily, most people don't watch mainstream television.
24:55Most people are not going to hear that they should be outraged and angry at Putin, ready to go at it for World War III for nothing.
25:03Most people aren't going to pay attention to what those guys are saying, and that's good.
25:06But I, I think they deserve a little smackdown from the executive branch.
25:10I mean, you cannot, you know, if, if an American person tried to make foreign policy, that you're not supposed to do that, right?
25:17This is against the law.
25:18Well, and certainly the Senate should be similarly constrained, and I think there must be something that can be done about it.
25:26Well, that's if you care about peace.
25:28If you want to care about more, then we can send this out to every country.
25:32Karen Kwiatkowski, thank you very much.
25:34Thank you for your time.
25:34Thank you for your peace, not slouching, but sneaking into World War III, which is at JudgeKnapp.com and elsewhere.
25:43Great writing, as always.
25:45Thank you for joining us.
25:46Thank you for accommodating my schedule today.
25:48It's not your usual time, and we'll talk to you again next week.
25:51All the best.
25:52Super.
25:52Thanks, Judge.
25:53Of course.
25:54Coming up at 3 o'clock this afternoon on all of this, a little bit more about Gaza.
25:59Phil Giraldi, Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom.
26:18We'll see you then.
26:29We'll see you then.