Former CIA officer Phil Giraldi dives deep into the evolving relationship between Donald Trump and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu. 🤔 With Trump making political waves and Bibi under pressure both at home and abroad, the big question arises: will Israel's leader follow Trump's lead again? 🇺🇸🇮🇱 What’s at stake, and how could this impact U.S.-Middle East policy moving forward? A must-watch analysis on power, loyalty, and global strategy. 🔍🌍
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00:30Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Wednesday, June 4th, 2025. Phil Giraldi is here with us. Does Bibi Netanyahu have to listen to Donald Trump? But first this.
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02:14So, Giraldy, welcome here, my dear friend. Thank you, as always, for accommodating my schedule. What is your take on the Ukrainian, well, American and NATO-led Ukrainian proxy drone destruction? How much damage did it do in Russia?
02:36Well, you know, it depends on whom you talk to or what you take as the best evidence.
02:44I noticed that Larry Johnson, for example, tends to downgrade, or at least in his initial reporting, tended to downgrade the damage actually done.
02:57There have been some satellite photos and other things since that time, which I think rather suggest that maybe the damage was more extreme.
03:06But, again, we're not talking about lethal destruction of the Russian bomber fleet.
03:15We're talking about possibly significant damage, but the damage is more so, I think, psychological.
03:23Trump and Putin were speaking together today, and Putin made it very clear that he will retaliate.
03:34Now, what that means, it would suggest to me that this means retaliation in kind in some way.
03:41That might mean striking Kiev or other targets that up until now have not been viable.
03:52So, it's an escalation, no question about it.
03:57One thing that is kind of surprising to me a lot in the analysis of it is I remember when this war began that I was hearing assessments from people in the intelligence community saying that, you know, Ukraine and Russia are kind of twin brothers, nationally speaking,
04:19and that Ukraine and that Ukraine and that Ukraine has significant, shall we say, clandestine intelligence assets inside Russia and vice versa, of course.
04:32So, this is another element in it where, you know, a lot of the background to this operation could have been expedited, shall we say, by people that were already on the ground.
04:49Hmm.
04:50Here's President Zelensky boasting about this.
04:55Now, almost everybody that has been on this show agrees with you.
04:58We haven't spoken to Ritter yet about it.
05:00We will tomorrow.
05:02That this was a PR stunt and not significant damage.
05:07But here's what he had to say.
05:08Chris, cut number 10.
05:10Europe, together with America, has better weapons than Russia.
05:14We also have stronger tactical solutions.
05:17Our operation, Spiderweb, yesterday proved that Russia must feel what its losses mean.
05:25That is what will push it toward diplomacy.
05:28And when Russia takes losses in this war, it's obvious to everyone that Ukraine is the one holding the line, not just for itself, but for all of Europe.
05:38Would the SBU, the Ukrainian intelligence services, and why we call them services, but their intel, have possibly done this without CIA, MI6, and Mossad knowledge and assistance?
05:54I would have to answer no to that.
05:59That's not to say the whole thing may have been or must have been a contrivance by those other intelligence services.
06:07But certainly they would represent the difference, enabling this to be pulled off at all.
06:16And I would have to believe that that's true.
06:20And I would have to believe that CIA has people embedded in the Ukrainian service.
06:28And the Brits probably even more so.
06:31And I don't know about the Israelis, but the Israelis have had their paws all over what's been going on in the war between Ukraine and Russia because of their hatred for Russia and what they claim Russia did to Jews back in the time of the czars.
06:53And it's kind of thinking.
06:55Hey, I'm going to put up in a minute, but first a little conversation with you, a full screen of the Truth Social post that President Trump posted just about an hour ago about revealing the existence of his telephone call today with President Putin.
07:14But is it conceivable that President Trump did not know about this?
07:18I mean, tell me how these presidential findings work.
07:21Look, let's say Joe Biden signed a presidential finding authorizing this very attack a year and a half ago.
07:31Wouldn't CIA officials in the Trump administration have been informed of it?
07:36Wouldn't John Ratcliffe have known about it?
07:39Wouldn't Tulsa Gabbard have known about it?
07:41Shouldn't they have told Pete Hegseth and Marco Rubio?
07:44Shouldn't one of them have told the president of the United States?
07:47Well, it's unimaginable that they, if, if they were aware of this document, and I am saying a big if there, because, you know, you know how many, how many pages of proposals and so on and so forth are churned out by the intelligence agencies and by the Pentagon?
08:08And, you know, there is an awareness issue here, I think, and there could be a bit of deniability as a result of that.
08:18But the fact is, nevertheless, somebody had to know about this, and somebody who had to know about this, one of the people you just named, had a responsibility or have a responsibility to report to the president with it.
08:35As soon as they became aware that this operation was active and what it entailed, they would be morally responsible to go to the president and lay it out in front of them.
08:49So I find that, yeah, there are a lot of holes in what's coming out of the argument.
08:53Well, which is worse, that Trump knew or that he didn't know, that they told him or that they didn't tell him?
09:01It's pretty awful either way.
09:03It just depends who you're, who you're pointing the finger at.
09:07You know, it's, if Trump say, if Trump is lying and he knew about it, that's pretty awful.
09:14And if Trump didn't know about it because other people are covering it up, I mean, that's pretty awful, too.
09:20I'd like to see a whole bunch of these heads roll.
09:25Here's the full screen from Truth Social.
09:28Now, Larry Johnson says it's been taken down.
09:32Chris says it's still up there.
09:34This was posted a little before two o'clock this afternoon.
09:37The president of the United States.
09:39I just finished speaking by telephone with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
09:44The call lasted approximately one hour and 15 minutes.
09:47We discussed the attack on Russia's docked airplanes by Ukraine and also various other attacks that have been taking place by both sides.
09:56It was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace.
10:00President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields.
10:07We also discussed Iran and the fact that time is running out on Iran's decision pertaining to nuclear weapons, which must be made quickly.
10:16I stated to President Putin that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
10:21And on this, I believe we were in agreement.
10:24Nothing in there about what he knew and when and when he knew it.
10:29I just wonder if heads are about to roll in that inner circle.
10:36I wonder if Putin said, hey, Donald, you want me to do this to you?
10:40Why would you do this to us while we're having negotiations?
10:44Two can play at this game, Donald.
10:46Well, I think actually three can play at this game because you can you can bet a dollar that the Russians, if this is if this involved the United States or Britain or Mossad or all three together with the Ukrainians, there would have been leaks all over the place that the Russians would have been able to pick up.
11:09So they they probably know more than we Americans know right now in terms of of what exactly happened.
11:18How could Russian intel have missed this, Phil?
11:21If the if the stories are true, a dozen trucks drove into Russia with these drones inside, somebody opened up the boxes, assembled them and somebody removed a removable roof on top of the trucks and then remotely they were sent to set off.
11:39How could Russian intel, which is as good as ours, correct me if I'm wrong, have not known about this?
11:46Well, having been a collector of intel in the field myself, I would say that intelligence is not always perfect.
11:57You might know that something is coming up just as the Israelis back in October had lots of indications that something was going to happen.
12:09And didn't respond to it. Obviously, there was a political decision by Netanyahu not to do so.
12:15But this is the same kind of thing where you have a bit of this and a bit of that and you picked up this and you picked up that, but you might not know exactly when it's going to take place or what some of the instrumentalities enabling you to do it are.
12:32So I wouldn't necessarily go too far on the idea that just because you have a top intelligence service, you're always capable of getting everything.
12:42Right, right. All right. Let's transition over to Gaza.
12:51Are the Israelis still killing Gazans when they line up for food?
12:58Are the Israelis still engaged in strategic starvation by limiting severely the food and medical supplies that are allowed into Gaza?
13:08Well, they're doing both of those things.
13:11But I think it's actually worse than that, because some of the mass killings that have taken place since allegedly this new mechanism was put in place to bring in supplies have really been provocations.
13:26They've been enticement type operations where they tell the Palestinians to go to a certain place or go by a certain route to get to that place.
13:35And lo and behold, what happens? They start getting shot.
13:39This is the Israeli way of going to war.
13:43You line up a bunch of civilians and you massacre them.
13:47And the fact that the United States is complicit in this, complicit even to the point of the monitors that are on the ground there are Americans, or at least some of them are.
13:59And, you know, how a president of the United States can sit back and watch this and something in which the U.S. is clearly involved and let it happen.
14:11These are war crimes. These are worse than war crimes.
14:14This is a genocide. This is a plan to kill two million people if it's necessary.
14:21Are Smotrich and Ben-Gavir going to get their wishes or will, at some point, a conscience develop into military resistance on the part of some government to stop Netanyahu and his crazies from their continued slaughter?
14:40Well, I think that's a possibility, and I think you're seeing some rattling going on among governments in Europe that are afraid to cross Netanyahu, but they're becoming increasingly afraid to cross their own electorates.
14:56We see, like Starmer in Britain, the next election coming up in Britain, he's going to be massacred.
15:05Massacred. And, you know, this is this is what's stirring up at the bottom.
15:11And I've I've I've I've watched the European media very closely and the opinion polls are very strongly showing in every every every major country in Europe.
15:21And I'm talking about France, Germany, Britain and Italy and Spain.
15:26They're running all the same way, very heavily against Israel, very heavily against their government's roles, Spain and Ireland and some other other countries have already taken steps to stop arm and shipping to Israel.
15:43So there's this could happen. And I hope it will, because I can't see Donald Trump doing it.
15:49He's a he's too terrified of the Israel lobby and its political power and its money.
15:56So Trump will tell Netanyahu not to attack Iran, but he will not tell yet Netanyahu to stop slaughtering the Gazans.
16:06Is that your view? My view is that Netanyahu might do both.
16:14This is this is this is something where, in fact, if you really think about it, what inhibits Donald Trump from from taking those steps?
16:26Well, the one in Gaza is widely popular because it's just so disgusting.
16:31But he's terrified of the domestic consequences of turning the Israeli lobby and the Christian Zionists, which make up most of his political base, loose on him.
16:46And so he's he's not going to be inclined to do that.
16:49Now, Iran is a different story.
16:51You have congressmen like the beloved Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz and others who have basically put together a coalition saying that if you cut any kind of deal with Iran that allows any enrichment, we're going to overturn it.
17:11And this is probably something that's true.
17:15It would happen.
17:16And so Trump is had his hands tied there, too.
17:20And he's not going to be able to come up with a plan or proposal for Iran that's acceptable to Iran.
17:27So we're back to zero.
17:29Where are we on the enrichment?
17:31It seems to me that first Whitcoff said we'll allow enrichment for civilian purposes, some number, 3.5.
17:41And then the neocons around Trump made Whitcoff, well, persuaded Trump to have Whitcoff withdraw that.
17:49Now the latest is there is going to be some enrichment, but the number is not clear or the duration of it is not clear.
17:57I don't see the Iranians agreeing to anything that limits their ability to develop nuclear enrichment, not for military purposes, but for domestic purposes.
18:10What kind of a country would do that?
18:13Yeah, well, I absolutely agree with you.
18:15And also there's this funny little plan that's being cooked up that basically would involve the Saudis and the Emirates in some kind of joint enrichment program in which they're all looking over each other's shoulders on behalf of the United States.
18:34I mean, this stuff gets so goofy.
18:36It's hard to imagine that this is something that people consider, are there actually people who consider this a foreign policy?
18:47I mean, this is a comic opera.
18:50Wow.
18:51I'm going to get back to Ukraine again just because of some breaking news.
18:56RT, Russia Today, you and I and the audience are familiar with that, reports that President Putin released a video statement, quote,
19:08how can we negotiate with those resorting to terrorism?
19:14Now that's the quote.
19:15It's unclear if the those refers to Ukraine or if the those refers to the United States.
19:22The statement goes on, as Kiev pleads for ceasefires to rearm and regroup, it keeps attacking civilians.
19:32Then he, referring to Putin, says that the Kiev regime is turning into a, in caps, terrorist organization as Battlefield defeats Mount.
19:44I guess this is some sort of a preparation.
19:47You can weigh in on this, you can weigh in on this, and please do, for the Russian people to anticipate a massive retaliation.
19:59What do you think?
20:00Well, I think most observers would agree that Putin has been kind of careful in not really unleashing his military might against civilian targets.
20:13Now, I'm suspecting that he's, he's feeling that, all right, the rules have been broken here now, that there have been some consistent attacks targeting civilians,
20:26including these train derailments that have just taken place inside Russia that have killed a number of civilians.
20:33So he's, he's, he's, he's maybe saying the gloves are, are now off.
20:37Now, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be going crazy and targeting civilians, but it means I think he has to establish some kind of quid pro quo towards Zelensky,
20:49who, who, in that, that, that his comments that you just cited a little while ago is completely out of touch with reality.
21:01But, you know, he's, somebody's going to have a wake up for Zelensky.
21:05And, and I appreciate that Zelensky, if he goes soft, will probably be killed by his own people.
21:10But the fact is, it's this kind of game that's going back and forth.
21:14And the U.S. is the only player that can, and this is true of Gaza, too, that can step in and actually play a decisive role in terms of shifting it,
21:27in terms of shifting it in such a way that the Ukrainians and Zelensky are going to have to see that they have to, they're losing and they have to make a deal.
21:37So, Putin must be under a lot of pressure from the public, from elites, from generals, from intel, from his own advisors to do something with, I don't want to say ferocity, but with certainty and clarity.
21:54Yeah, I agree. Absolutely. I think he's got to send a message here.
21:58And the message has to be decisive enough where Ukraine will decide, hey, it's maybe a bad idea to blow up a civilian train or things like this.
22:10So, let's see how he played out.
22:13Putin is, in my opinion, a smart guy and has been very careful, I think, really up till now in terms of most of his moves.
22:25Bill Giraldi, thank you, my dear friend. Much appreciated. Thank you for your time. Thank you for letting me go across the board here. We'll look forward to seeing you again next week.
22:35Okay. Bye-bye.
22:37Bye-bye.
22:37Coming up tomorrow, Thursday, June 5th, Professor Gilbert Doctorow at 8 in the morning, Scott Ritter at 11 in the morning, if we can find him, I'll hear about this, Max Blumenthal at 2 in the afternoon, Professor John Mearsheimer at 3 in the afternoon, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson at 4 in the afternoon, and from God knows where, Pepe Escobar at 4.30 in the afternoon.
23:04A rich and full day for you. Thank you for watching. Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom.
23:34I'll see you next week.
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