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00:00Previously on Sister Wives One-on-One, he wanted to raise every wife up to that level
00:10and share the same experience that he had with Robin.
00:13Would have been nice if he communicated that back then.
00:16Maybe that's revisionist history now too, is trying to be like,
00:18well, I tried, I wanted to, but they just didn't want to come along.
00:21When is there time to do that?
00:24There was not time or opportunity or willingness to make that happen.
00:29That is just not true. Absolutely not.
00:31This is my frustration.
00:33He didn't want me to do that divorce process through the church
00:38because he didn't believe in the church.
00:40Like it's his double standard.
00:41I think it's awesome it was on abandonment because that was the truth.
00:45She was abandoned. We were all abandoned.
00:47She told the leaders of my church that she had been abandoned.
00:50Fine. I don't care.
00:53This happens every time the kids talk to him about Robin or I talk to him.
00:58It's like, he just doesn't want to go there.
01:00That's his sacred cow.
01:01She's perfect.
01:02Don't dare talk about her.
01:03I don't know what went wrong between us,
01:07but it made me angrier, angry and angry until I was just like, yeah, I'm done.
01:13There's a bias and I don't want to do that anymore.
01:16All I can think is that it's somehow driven by his ego.
01:20In some regards, especially coming from the culture that we come from,
01:24he's a failure to have lost all his marriages except for the one.
01:28Me not wanting to give up was way more about my children and my family
01:35than it was about my ego and my failures as a polygamist.
01:40Here in Sedona, Arizona, I'm sitting down with Cody, Mary, Robin, Christine and David and Janelle
01:52to talk about their future and dive deeper into their past.
01:58This is Sister Wives One on One.
02:01When you say that he's a failure, help me understand that.
02:10So when you marry into plural marriage, at least in our faith,
02:14you are expected to become more than you are.
02:17He was expected to make those relationships, all of them, work and be equal in his,
02:25not equal because nothing's ever fair or equal, but like appropriate,
02:29like meet the needs of all the different relationships, right?
02:31Whatever that looked like.
02:33And I think he really did, especially during COVID, be like,
02:36oh, I'm really, I'm just going to shrug this off.
02:38You guys don't like each other.
02:39I'm tired.
02:40You're going to shorten my life span if I keep doing this.
02:43Like all of a sudden he's like, I just don't want to do it anymore.
02:46He kind of threw this little tempered hand term and I'm like, oh, okay.
02:49I mean, in the religion, polygamous world,
02:51if you've got a guy who three of his wives leave, it's not, it's a problem with a man.
02:56You know it.
02:56You know it's a problem with a man.
02:57And when you see fountains where the guy loses all the wives, you're like, yeah, that's him.
03:01That's all him.
03:02And so, whatever on it.
03:07Yeah.
03:08Is that a hard pill for him to swallow?
03:10I think it must be.
03:11He had this dream and this vision of everything beautiful and perfect,
03:14but he puts it on all of us for leaving.
03:16And it's like before we left, it was broken.
03:19Before we left, everything had fallen apart.
03:23Did you like being called the sacred cow?
03:25Moo.
03:25I don't know.
03:26Whatever.
03:27I don't care.
03:28I don't care.
03:29Is that like a term?
03:31I don't know what that is.
03:32Okay.
03:33I'm not sure where that came from.
03:35Do you think Cody has a bias when it comes to you?
03:39Uh, I, I don't think so.
03:45Um.
03:47Do you think, or do you feel safe telling Cody everything and anything?
03:55Yeah.
03:55Just about.
03:56Yeah.
03:57Are there any subjects that are off limits?
04:00Not really.
04:01No.
04:01Why do you think it's not the same that Janelle feels that?
04:06Um, I, I don't know.
04:08I don't know why she feels that way.
04:10Um.
04:10But he shut her down in that clip.
04:13Yeah.
04:13I think there's a lot of focus on me.
04:15I, I actually get really tired of it, but, um, I wish really badly that they would all
04:23focus on their own relationships.
04:25Mm-hmm.
04:25Um, and, um, and work those relationships out without my name coming up.
04:32The other thing was, you, you mentioned running interference for Robin.
04:35How, how do you see that?
04:36I feel like a lot of people want to pin the blame on Robin, and I don't think that she is
04:44necessarily innocent in this.
04:47I mean, it takes two.
04:48Mm-hmm.
04:48And so I think in a lot, in a lot of ways, he's made himself even more, uh, villainous,
04:57I guess, to kind of take away some of the blame from her.
05:00This is just gospel according to Janelle.
05:02Like, I don't know.
05:03So.
05:04Can you be specific about villainous behavior?
05:06Um, I just feel like, I feel like all this stuff with rewriting history and talking
05:11about how the kids, and I just feel like he, he wants to focus on himself, not so much
05:16on Robin.
05:17Hmm.
05:18Because there is a lot of accusations being thrown around about her.
05:23What accusations?
05:24That she broke up the family, that she never wanted the plural friend.
05:27And I, I don't think so.
05:29In the very beginning, she was very much part of the, of what we were trying to build.
05:33So you think he's running interference to protect her?
05:36I don't ever remember him being this mean.
05:40Never.
05:42He never was this mean.
05:43I've never seen him be so mean and so, um, yeah, like all the rewriting of history,
05:51trying to hurt people.
05:52Like, I feel like it's a smoke screen.
05:56Has she ever said to a girl?
05:57She mentioned Robin over and over in that scene?
05:59Well, she feels, she feels like Robin is.
06:01She's blaming Robin.
06:01No, she said that Robin was always off topic.
06:04So whatever she felt, that she couldn't really express it.
06:07Why does it have to include Robin?
06:09Did Robin offend her?
06:10Did Robin do something wrong to her?
06:12I don't know, maybe she felt that Robin was in this incredibly, uh, special love with you.
06:19That's, that's just not dealing with, that absolutely is Janelle and I not dealing with Janelle and Cody.
06:26It really has, every relationship has to boil down to what that relationship was.
06:32My relationship with Robin hasn't been affected by these other relationships other than my own reaction to them.
06:40Well, Christine felt that she was abandoned and the person that you chose to be with was Robin.
06:46And I think that I just have to respectfully go,
06:50have a good life.
06:53Via con Dios.
06:55I don't care what broke us up.
06:58We know that we weren't good together.
07:04But if you're going to make your future relationships better,
07:06isn't it like to have an interesting, introspective conversation
07:10No.
07:11About what went wrong, how it went wrong,
07:14and how do you expect to have friendships?
07:15You know what, I don't want to do that.
07:17Wait, wait, wait, how do you, but you shut her down too.
07:19When you were having that conversation, you were like,
07:21well, we're not going to have this conversation.
07:23I always felt like your life centered so much about Robin's house.
07:27Well, in the past two years, Robin's been this place that things were safe.
07:31Cody, even before that, it felt like there was,
07:34I wasn't as important.
07:38I can remember one time we were traveling,
07:39I think it was my birthday,
07:41and you started getting mad at me about a conversation
07:43that you and she, I had had with her
07:45that I don't know how you knew about.
07:48Don't go down that road.
07:49We're trying to heal things.
07:51More destruction is going to help us here.
07:53Okay, then I, if I can't talk freely,
07:56then let's just leave it as I don't really want to.
07:59I do believe, she said, well, if this isn't safe.
08:02Yeah, okay, listen, Suki.
08:04Right?
08:05I want to shut you down now.
08:07I know you guys want to talk.
08:08You can't shut me down.
08:08Yeah, I can.
08:09No, you can't.
08:09I don't have to say the answer.
08:12Okay, you could act like,
08:13you could act like a baby and not do this,
08:15but we're adults having a conversation.
08:17But listen, I'm not going to sit here
08:19and continue when they've moved on
08:21and go, oh, they did me wrong,
08:24or they did this or that.
08:25I'm sorry, I was at fault too.
08:27Mm-hmm.
08:28Is that all anybody's looking for?
08:29No.
08:29Hey, ladies, I'm sorry, I was at fault too.
08:32I, yeah, I just didn't see a future.
08:35I wasn't happy.
08:37I hope everybody's happy now.
08:40And if you're not,
08:42I hope that's not because of anything
08:44I'm doing or I'm saying.
08:46That's, it's, it's Suki.
08:48It's time to move on.
08:49They've all left.
08:50Well, what you just did there
08:52was accountability.
08:53I would love to have it back.
09:00Do you think you'll ever be able
09:02to settle down and have a conversation
09:04and be friends with Cody and Robin?
09:07Um, I, um, maybe.
09:13Like, I, I can still, I can still be very friendly
09:16with Cody.
09:18I never really had much of a relationship with Robin.
09:21And I don't, I don't, I don't have any hate
09:26or hard feelings or anything.
09:28I just don't really want to know them.
09:29Yeah.
09:29But if you can't sit there and talk to Robin,
09:32just curious right now.
09:33Yeah.
09:34Is there a way you can give me any specific examples
09:37why you don't want to be friends with her?
09:39Oh, I could sit and talk to them.
09:40That would be fine.
09:41Yeah.
09:41If it was all superficial, I would be fine.
09:43If we, you know, I would talk to them.
09:45That's no big deal.
09:46Yeah.
09:46I'm just not going to be buddies with them
09:48or like go to lunch with them or.
09:50Why can't you be friends?
09:51Why can't you be buddies?
09:52Yeah.
09:53Why couldn't you have a relationship with them again?
09:56I just, I don't really, I don't need it.
09:58I don't want it.
10:00I'm not looking for it.
10:03Is there a lack of trust?
10:04Is that why that both sides can't come together
10:08and have a deep friendship?
10:10No, I just.
10:11And a deep love for each other
10:12and a deep sense of respect for each other.
10:14I really just don't like them.
10:16I don't, I don't want to know them.
10:18I don't want to be friends with them.
10:19I just don't like them.
10:20What is it about them that you don't like?
10:22I don't know.
10:22I just don't like them.
10:24But as far as like trying to get together
10:27and make us interact.
10:28Yes.
10:28It's because I really wouldn't like that.
10:30I don't like them in that setting.
10:32I just don't, I just don't like them.
10:33I don't want to be friends with them.
10:35Mm-hmm.
10:36Coming up, do you like being called the favorite ex-wife?
10:40I think it's freaking hilarious.
10:42Really?
10:42I think it's hilarious.
10:44Like he's trying to be fun with it
10:46and I'm glad that he and I are like at this place
10:50that we can be like this.
10:52And the favorite ex-wife comment was?
10:55Oh, that's just tacky.
10:56That's weird.
10:57That's so weird.
10:58Why does he have to always have favorites?
10:59What's up?
11:00Why?
11:01Why does he have to always have favorites?
11:03All right.
11:09Usually when two exes walk into a room, you know,
11:13it could be a little petty.
11:14It could be a little awkward.
11:16Especially right after a divorce.
11:17No, no, no, no, no, no.
11:18And cue Cody.
11:20No, just kidding.
11:21No, just kidding.
11:22Just kidding.
11:22He and I would probably hug each other
11:24so it would be totally fine, not a big deal.
11:26However, you guys seem to be getting along
11:28much better than I think anybody would have expected.
11:31Yeah.
11:32Especially when you were married.
11:34You know, we didn't see this.
11:35That's what I'm saying.
11:36I think it's because there was a lot of pressure.
11:39There was a lot of pressure.
11:41And I, like, I, oh, do your clip.
11:44No, no, no.
11:44I have thoughts.
11:45I have thoughts.
11:45You have thoughts?
11:46Is it going to be a moving day?
11:48No, no, no.
11:48Is it a moving day?
11:48No, it's, yeah, it is moving day.
11:50Because, yes, it was moving day
11:52and there was a fun, flirty kind of vibe
11:55between the two of you.
11:57Watch the clip.
11:58Okay, all right.
11:59And then we'll talk about it.
11:59Okay.
12:01Got you.
12:02Wow, Chicken Little.
12:03I got you.
12:05Someone's got to do it.
12:08Whoa, stop.
12:10This is awkward.
12:11Is this awkward?
12:13Is this awkward?
12:14No, I'm so sorry.
12:15I can't touch you in the mouth.
12:16I can't touch you in the mouth.
12:16I can't touch you in the mouth.
12:17Mary backs right into me.
12:19And then Nathan pushes the bike into her.
12:23What is happening?
12:25What are you doing?
12:28You okay, Mary?
12:30Mary's bent over in front of me, right against me.
12:34Closer than I have been to him in years.
12:37Oh, my gosh.
12:39Oh, my gosh.
12:40Oh, my gosh.
12:41We're divorced.
12:42I have one wife.
12:44It's not Mary.
12:45I was joking about something that I certainly consider to be sacred with me and Robin.
12:50Because it was sexual in nature.
12:52It was so funny and yet so wrong.
12:58Awkward.
12:59My hand on your back, I know, is doing so much good.
13:02No, keep it.
13:03Keep it.
13:03Because I need something to lean into if I start to fall.
13:06Mary's just on point today.
13:08Just the wonderful woman that I would have liked to have been married to.
13:12Hey, listen.
13:13Listen, we're like the best and worst couple ever.
13:15You're the favorite ex-wife, Mary.
13:19That's easy as can be.
13:21That's actually great.
13:24Okay.
13:25Take it away.
13:27So talk about the bump and grunt.
13:30Was there a little bump and grunt?
13:31The moment.
13:32Oh, my gosh.
13:34Oh, my gosh, Nathan.
13:35It was awkward.
13:37It was like I was laughing so hard because it was so awkward and uncomfortable and completely inappropriate.
13:43Completely inappropriate.
13:45It was funny because it was me and Nathan and Cody and we have a good enough relationship to do that.
13:53But it was also, like, very inappropriate, you know?
13:56Do you think Robin would have been upset about it?
13:59I have no idea.
14:01It was, we were not married.
14:04And so that was a very close place to be with somebody.
14:10I mean, I hadn't been there for many, many years.
14:13It was awkward.
14:13Yeah.
14:15It was like they were so awkward in that moment.
14:17I know.
14:17How could they not?
14:17It used to be, I get it.
14:19I get it.
14:20It was the closest I'm sure they've been in years.
14:22They all handled it beautifully.
14:23I thought that was super, super, super funny to watch.
14:26Him saying that it was sexual and he was still married and I'm like, dude, relax, relax.
14:34That's not what that was about.
14:36It's almost like he's defining himself now as being Robin's husband.
14:41That is his identity.
14:43And he was so afraid to say that's what it was.
14:46He's been Robin's husband for a long time.
14:48But it's almost like he was afraid to acknowledge that.
14:51But now that's how he acknowledges himself.
14:53He's like, I just want to make it clear.
14:55I'm married.
14:56Mm-hmm.
14:56Right here.
14:57Mm-hmm.
14:57Married.
14:58Not to her.
14:59No, no.
15:00All of that, that's a thing in the past.
15:02Let's establish that.
15:03That was just funny.
15:05Let's leave it at that.
15:06I literally, I think it was removed.
15:10I looked at him after I told him I'm going to punch you in the mouth.
15:13Then I looked at him.
15:13This is my best friend.
15:15Nathan?
15:15Yeah.
15:16And I looked at him and I, Nathan, I will throat punch you.
15:19I was like, all I'm thinking about is all the struggles through divorce that we've had
15:26and this sort of space that I had to get myself to so I was very conscientious of it.
15:36That, in a sense, my body belongs to Robin, you know?
15:41And I was like, knock it off, Nathan.
15:46And it was funny.
15:47I think Cody was afraid that it was disrespectful to you.
15:51Yeah.
15:52Was it disrespectful to you?
15:53I don't know.
15:54I guess it's, I don't know.
15:56For me, it was just kind of like, I haven't drawn those lines yet or I didn't at that time.
16:03I hadn't drawn those lines.
16:05So, I don't know.
16:06I just hadn't really worried about it.
16:08Mm-hmm.
16:08So.
16:09What did you think about the banter going back and forth between Mary and Cody?
16:12It's very normal.
16:14Okay.
16:14Yeah, it's very, very normal for them.
16:17Yes, they've had their attention for sure.
16:20But like, when they're like this, that's my fave.
16:22Like, really, it's a lot of fun.
16:24What about Cody saying that this is the kind of woman I would have left?
16:27This is the Mary I wanted to be married to.
16:30Yeah, so when he would say, he says stuff like that.
16:33And I'm like, and before, you know, she was like done and leaving, this was the kind of thing that I would see that made me go, they have a possibility.
16:44They have, you know, a chance.
16:47What about Cody calling Mary the favorite ex-wife?
16:51Well, wait.
16:51Before he even called her that, he was like.
16:53It's the old Mary.
16:55This is the Mary that I would have.
16:55I wish I was married to.
16:57Yeah.
16:57Yeah, that's called, that's an asshole.
17:00That's not nice.
17:01That's mean.
17:02Why?
17:02This disrespect.
17:04That's, there we go.
17:05Not respecting her as a wife, woman, individual, nothing in that.
17:09Just proved it.
17:10And the favorite ex-wife comment was?
17:12Oh, that's just tacky.
17:14That's weird.
17:15That's so weird.
17:15Why does he have to always have favorites?
17:17What's up?
17:17Why?
17:18Why does he have to always have favorites?
17:21Those words, ex and favorite, don't go together.
17:25Wow.
17:25Um, do you like being called the favorite ex-wife?
17:29I think it's freaking hilarious.
17:31Really?
17:32I think it's hilarious.
17:33It, like, he's trying to be fun with it, and I'm glad that he and I are, like, at this
17:39place that we can be like this.
17:41And if I can be on good terms with him, I'd rather that than have all that angst and anger
17:49and, you know what I mean?
17:51That doesn't serve me.
17:52What was it like for you to hear, like, Cody say, you were acting like, you know, there's,
17:57there's Mary acting like this wonderful person that I wish.
18:00That he wished he could have been married to.
18:01Well, he was.
18:02And sorry, he lost out.
18:04Here's the thing.
18:05I'm just going to be me.
18:06And I had been being me for a few years prior, but he was never around, and he didn't get
18:14to experience that.
18:15You know, he, he talks so much about how awkward and uncomfortable and mean and whatever the
18:23words are that he puts to it.
18:24Um, but it's like, it's really unfortunate he didn't get to experience the fun me again.
18:33He used to, like, there were times, you've seen it in years past, you know, on the show.
18:41But it's fine.
18:43Does it make you, when you look at those clips, like, second-guess that decision in any way,
18:48getting the spiritual release?
18:49Nope.
18:51Nope.
18:51And divorcing him, yeah.
18:52Nope.
18:53Not at all.
18:54Nope.
18:56Coming up.
18:57In my head, it's like, you could have figured this out with her.
19:01Like, why are you getting emotional?
19:02And he was like, it's just an end of an era.
19:05It's nostalgia.
19:06It was, and I was like, okay.
19:10Well, what did you think about that when he was getting that emotional?
19:13Yeah.
19:13I'm like, you know what, buddy?
19:14You need to turn a mirror on yourself.
19:16And you need to look at yourself, good and hard.
19:18You wonder what ended this era, and it was you.
19:25I think Mary is so loyal, and he likes to bring up all the time while she had that catfishing thing.
19:31You know what I mean?
19:32So I just think he likes to find justifications again for his behavior.
19:36Look, I think it's really, really dangerous to say how we were at 25, before all the pressures of raising a family with very little money, and all those things.
19:49All the personality things.
19:51It's really hard to compare who we were then, and how our relationships developed with who this Cody.2 or 2.0 that gets to marry Robin, and Robin gets this version.
20:02Well, hell, if I was marrying someone like Cody right now, it'd probably be very different with all of his history and perspective and everything.
20:07It'd be a very different relationship.
20:09I think you couldn't get over the betrayal.
20:12You could not get over the betrayal when it came to Mary.
20:15I did, though, because I gave it plenty of time.
20:18I got out of the anger phase.
20:19I'd go over and see her all the time, and it was still antagonistic.
20:23I was like, it was kind of like I had put up with this antagonistic relationship for years before the problem, really, the big problem manifest.
20:32And when those calls started to interrupt our life, I was just interpreting this this way, that you didn't want to be out of the family.
20:39You just wanted out of your relationship with me.
20:42You seem so angry.
20:43I didn't feel like I could get to you.
20:45I didn't feel like we could even talk.
20:47And then afterwards, I was like, well, I never want to have a relationship like that again.
20:51So we're going to do counseling.
20:52We're going to figure out a different relationship.
20:53It was still antagonistic.
20:55It was antagonistic, Suki, until her and I and my brother-in-law, Nathan, were moving her.
21:03It was antagonistic.
21:04You think she released it all at that moment?
21:06I think Mary went, I'm free, and forgave.
21:09I don't want to jump to the end, but that day was just, it worked.
21:18It was good.
21:19And when I'm leaving, there's awareness that Mary and I had had this good experience, and I left her sobbing.
21:30Mary, it's the end of an era.
21:36We had something special.
21:40And it feels like it just all went to s**t, sort of.
21:48I'm not bitter anymore.
21:49I'm not angry.
21:50I'm glad you and I got that figured out.
21:52You know, until the next guy, you know, you're, you're, when you, if you marry again and everything like that, I've just, it's got to, I mean, I won't be weird about it.
22:01Even though that got weird, I'm sorry.
22:03Would you be the flower girl?
22:06No, I'd get to walk her down the aisle.
22:10Yeah, it was just like, it was a, an awareness that it was all over, that this was the end.
22:15Kind of more having to do with the whole family and everything.
22:21We treated each other good and we treated each other bad.
22:24And in the end, we remembered a lot of the bad during the breakup.
22:28And then when you're friends again, you remember more of the good and you go, yeah, we shouldn't be together.
22:34But boy, it was, there was special times.
22:39I just want to know, what do you think that was all about?
22:42Was that confusing for Mary to, I don't, to experience that?
22:46Like, I don't know.
22:48I don't know.
22:49I asked him, he told me about it.
22:51And I was like, why, you know, like, because I'm, in my head, it's like, you could have figured this out with her.
23:04Like, why are you getting emotional?
23:06And he was like, it's just an end of an era.
23:09It's nostalgia.
23:10It was, and I was like, okay.
23:14Were you surprised at his reaction?
23:16It was very confusing to me.
23:17I was like, what is happening here?
23:20I am so confused.
23:24You looked confused.
23:26And you were almost inquisitive.
23:28I mean, that's right.
23:29Were you confused?
23:30I was, I remember that moment.
23:32And I was like, I'm just going to let this play out.
23:37I don't know what it is.
23:39I don't know what these emotions are.
23:41And he's like, we had something special, you know.
23:44And like, was he talking about me and him?
23:48Was he talking about the whole family?
23:50Was he talking, you know, and it could have been either.
23:52I don't know.
23:53He said, I'm just sobbing.
23:54Oh, God.
23:55It made me so mad.
23:56Well, what did you think about that when he was getting that emotional?
23:59Yeah.
23:59I'm like, you know what, buddy?
24:00You need to turn a mirror on yourself.
24:02And you need to look at yourself good and hard.
24:04You wonder what ended this era.
24:06And it was you.
24:08You picked favorites.
24:10He picked favorites.
24:11He did.
24:12And then he tried to pretend like it wasn't true.
24:14And it was all us.
24:14And it was not even.
24:16And you can't do that.
24:17You just can't do it.
24:19And come on.
24:20He's just playing a game with her heart right there.
24:22You're leaving.
24:23But let me be like, let me be so vulnerable and open with you.
24:28He's been stringing her along for years and years and years.
24:31And then he turns around and does this.
24:34Disrespectful.
24:35Completely.
24:36That is rude.
24:37Yeah.
24:38That was rude.
24:39I mean, I get that I'm his favorite ex-wife.
24:42And I get that he wants to walk me down the aisle when I get married.
24:47That's really a lot.
24:48How did you feel when he said that?
24:50That was weird.
24:51Would you want him to do that?
24:54No, I don't think so.
24:56No.
24:57No.
24:58And, yeah, no.
25:00Mm-mm.
25:02No.
25:03Mm-mm.
25:06The more I think about it, the more weird it is.
25:09It's like, what?
25:09No.
25:10Mm-mm.
25:11I hope I get to walk you down the aisle.
25:14That's an honorable role.
25:16What are you talking about?
25:18No.
25:19You broke her heart.
25:20Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
25:24You don't get to do that.
25:25That's, you don't treat people like that.
25:27I'm embarrassed for him.
25:29I'm embarrassed for him to see stuff like that.
25:31He and I actually had a conversation a couple of weeks ago.
25:34Okay.
25:35And he said to me, I'm still grieving.
25:38I'm grieving the loss of our marriage.
25:40I'm grieving.
25:40And I said, Cody, you don't get to tell me that.
25:44And he said, yes, I do.
25:46And I said, no, you don't.
25:48After all of the things that you've said about me on the show and in public and to the world
25:53about how you never loved me and all these very hurtful things, you don't get to tell me that you're grieving.
26:00If you are grieving, you figure that out on yourself.
26:04This is an example of me giving it back to him to carry.
26:08He doesn't get to burden me down with his grief of our relationship after all of the things that he said.
26:16If I'm not saying he can't grieve, he just can't bring it to me.
26:20This is the confusion.
26:22This is the confusion that I talk about.
26:25Like.
26:26Mixed signals that you've gotten throughout your whole marriage.
26:29Yeah.
26:32Yeah.
26:32Why does he do that?
26:33I don't know.
26:34That's a him question.
26:35I can't even, I can't even pretend to be able to answer that.
26:39Do we need to say anymore?
26:42We're broken up.
26:43It's over.
26:44Now we're just friends.
26:45I don't ever need to reconcile with Mary.
26:51And then let me say, okay, a lot of people have an opinion and it's already established.
26:58And what they're going to do is they're going to come at me, whether it's Mary, whether it's you.
27:04And I'm going to use this word, I don't mean to use it, but you're, she, anybody is going to gaslight me until I say what you already believe with your bias.
27:20And that would be Mary, Janelle, Christine, whatever.
27:24I have my own bias.
27:25Because we're not going to agree ever, we're not going to reconcile why we broke up, but we can agree to be friends.
27:37And we can agree to stop talking about why, because we all had our reasons.
27:43Coming up, the lies and manipulation and being used and being ill-treated, all of the mind games and everything, just to be able to stand up on your own.
27:56It's hard to leave.
27:57It is hard to know that you have to leave.
28:04Here we go.
28:05Stand by.
28:05You know, when you meet your ex-wife's boyfriend, it could feel a little daunting.
28:10And in this next clip, it feels like you guys were all very awkward.
28:15I want you to look at the clip, look at the body language.
28:17I have to explain.
28:18I remember the whole thing.
28:19Okay.
28:19The issue really was just being nervous about being in the presence of Christine with some of our kids again.
28:27And the intimidation of a potentially overwhelmingly handsome individual.
28:32Okay.
28:33David.
28:34Yeah.
28:34And the experience was, and I mean, so there was some trepidation, but the experience itself was absolutely pleasant.
28:44Okay.
28:45It wasn't, Christine was kind of swinging off of his arm a little bit, which I thought was all good and healthy.
28:51And when I say that, I mean, like, she was into him, which I thought was great.
28:55No, but it kind of felt a little awkward watching it.
28:57It did.
28:58The meeting?
28:59The meeting.
28:59It was just, you were trying to connect, but it was awkward.
29:04Um, frankly, if we would have all been benevolent enough to be able to handle it, it would have been better over at dinner.
29:10Like, just get to know him.
29:12Mm.
29:12You know?
29:12But Christine and I have not spoken, except for right there in, well, at this time, it might have been two years.
29:21This is the first time I'm actually really talking to her.
29:24Can we watch the clip?
29:25Because I'm going to show you what we all saw, and it felt a little awkward.
29:28I know you'd...
29:29It was a little awkward.
29:30Okay.
29:30I thought it was easy.
29:32It was smooth.
29:33Let's watch the clip.
29:34He was more comfortable for me than Christine was.
29:36Let's put it that way.
29:37You want to watch the clip?
29:38Not really.
29:39Let's watch the clip.
29:41Let's skip the clips and talk about it, because I know what happened.
29:43Gwendolyn is engaged.
29:45You're watching the clips.
29:45They're throwing her an engagement party, and Cody and I have been invited.
29:50We're going.
29:52He told Gwendolyn he wasn't coming.
29:54Now suddenly he's coming, and Robin's coming.
29:57So it adds another level of complication.
30:01I found one line.
30:03She stalked me.
30:04I stalked him.
30:04Better be careful about that.
30:06Our family's separating, and now Christine dating is just a little bit weird.
30:13I have only seen Christine with Cody, ever.
30:17I love you.
30:18I love you, too.
30:20It's better on the other side, isn't it?
30:22Uh, yes.
30:25I don't know.
30:28I recognize that Christine's really trying to cheer me on, but she and I are not in a relationship
30:35where I'm comfortable opening up to her.
30:37How's it going?
30:38My boyfriend, David.
30:39David.
30:39Nice to meet you.
30:40How's it going?
30:41Robin, David.
30:42I'm nice to meet you.
30:45How long have you guys been dating?
30:47A little half, almost two months.
30:48We've known each other for a little bit before that.
30:51No.
30:51Yeah.
30:52You've seen the kids.
30:53You know the kids.
30:54Oh, he knows all the kids.
30:55He babysat them by himself while we went and got pedicures.
30:58Yeah.
30:58Wow.
30:59The first thing he said is, um, I heard you hold my grandkids.
31:03Oh, yeah.
31:04And McKelty says, well, he did more than that.
31:06He babysat them.
31:08And he got really red in the face.
31:10What was interesting is David made more eye contact with Robin and talked to Robin way more
31:15than me.
31:16Christine was kind of swinging off of his arm, which was probably appropriate.
31:19And then you put your head on my shoulder, and that got caught even more red.
31:25I'm like, okay.
31:27Frankly, it's just one of those cringey moments where you just grit your teeth, survive it.
31:33Okay.
31:34So it was cringey from the beginning to the end, but I thought David was fine.
31:38Yeah.
31:39I mean, just, it was...
31:39Did you feel red in the face?
31:41Did you feel like it was a little uncomfortable?
31:43I think he's making stuff up.
31:44I just, no.
31:45So it wasn't...
31:47It, I just, like, her hugging David didn't bother me at all.
31:51I want her to, I mean, she's gone.
31:53She's out of my life.
31:55I just want her to be happy.
31:56Yeah.
31:56And the idea of her falling in love is great, because she'll stop talking about me.
32:01I just...
32:02That is such a backhanded thing to say.
32:04Is that really backhanded?
32:06A little bit.
32:06It's true.
32:08It's a little backhanded.
32:09It's like every time that they're courting on the show, I'm, like, going, oh, gosh, okay, good.
32:13I can relax.
32:15I love their courtship.
32:17Okay.
32:17Because it's, it just lets me relax.
32:20I get to watch an old friend fall in love.
32:22I can forget about all the past hurts and everything like that.
32:25I'm watching him fall in love, and I'm enjoying it.
32:29I was frustrated he was coming, just because he told Gwendolyn before he wasn't going to
32:32be there.
32:33And then suddenly, day of, he's like, I'm going to go ahead and be there.
32:35So that's why I was frustrated.
32:36So he had a whole level of...
32:38Yeah.
32:38And I wish he would have gone the whole time.
32:39I wish he would have, the very beginning when he got the invitation, called Gwendolyn and
32:43said, hey, I'll be there.
32:44And then she would have known from the very beginning that he would have been there.
32:47But we didn't know he was going to be there.
32:48And then we didn't know he was going to bring Robin.
32:50We just didn't know.
32:51And then suddenly, day of, and it was like, okay, we have to reset the whole thing, because
32:55that's what he likes to do.
32:56He likes to say, last minute, but this is what he's going to do, and he's going to be
32:59there, and it just upsets everything.
33:01So anyway, David was like, chill.
33:02He's like, it's going to be fine, girl.
33:04It's going to be fine.
33:05It's all good.
33:06Do you think it was fair for Christine to say you guys coming at it a layer of complication?
33:10Um, I mean, it did.
33:15Yeah.
33:16It's fair, you know.
33:17It creates, it is, I mean, I'm sure she wants, this is kind of how it goes in divorce, though.
33:23Like, you want them to stay away from everything.
33:25And I'm like, yeah, sorry.
33:27You share kids.
33:28You share a life, whether you are doing it in a nice way or a not so nice way.
33:32It's just how it goes.
33:33So you just kind of ripped the Band-Aid off and you walked in?
33:35It's just like, this is how it is, you know.
33:37You just have to kind of, like, deal with the awkwardness of it.
33:43It just doesn't go away unless you decide to kind of get more comfortable with each other.
33:47Right.
33:47And I feel like you guys were getting comfortable.
33:48Like, what did you think about David?
33:50I thought he was nice.
33:51Yeah.
33:51Yeah, I didn't have a problem with him.
33:53Cody didn't go red.
33:54I mean, Cody's already red.
33:56I mean, like, have you seen his complexion?
33:58He's just red.
33:59The other thing that I saw in this clip was Mary.
34:01Mary was there, and that was the first time she got to meet David.
34:04Tell me about that meeting.
34:05I mean, Mary's hard, because Mary and I don't have a close relationship.
34:09I didn't know where she was at exactly.
34:11But it was more like, girl, it's so much better to be done with all of the lies and manipulation
34:18and being used and being ill-treated, all of the mind games and everything, just to be able
34:26to stand up on your own.
34:27It's hard to leave.
34:28It's hard to know that you have to leave.
34:31It almost felt like in that clip you were very unsure.
34:34You just didn't know.
34:35You were like, I don't even know how to even process that.
34:39Yeah, I think Christine was being really cool, and I think she was trying to cheer me on.
34:43Did you appreciate that?
34:44I appreciated it, but I also didn't fully.
34:49There's not trust between me and Christine to really accept it.
34:54Do you think there'll ever be a time where you guys can all sit together and be like,
34:57okay.
34:58I don't know.
34:59Do you want that?
35:00I think it would be cool, but I think it would take a lot.
35:03And it would really be sad if it would take the fact that we all left to be able to do that.
35:11Coming up.
35:13You know, we just haven't healed that much.
35:15I...
35:16Have you seen each other that much to heal?
35:20Maybe that would be a first step.
35:23Yeah, maybe.
35:26Yeah.
35:27Maybe not.
35:28I knew Christine had a boyfriend because she introduced him to me, and David's great.
35:39I think he's probably a decent person.
35:42I just don't know anything other than...
35:45Do you want to know something about them?
35:46Do you want to have a relationship with them?
35:48Could you see yourself possibly go out on a double date in a couple of years?
35:51If Christine...
35:52Well...
35:53And get to know each other?
35:55I think...
35:56Oh, I don't know.
35:58I think...
35:59Personally, I think I'm very forgiving, and I think that would be really easy for me.
36:03Here's the thing.
36:05I've had conversations with David since that just was kind of like enjoyed his company.
36:11Okay.
36:11And I had a dirty thought.
36:14I thought, David and I should go on a guy's trip together.
36:18And then I went, no, that would just be so uncool to Christine.
36:22Yeah.
36:23I might have to agree.
36:24That wouldn't be cool.
36:25I just thought, no, not at all.
36:27I mean, because I just thought that would absolutely not be fair in any way.
36:31Right.
36:31But you did make the comment that David only made eye contact with Robin.
36:34Did you feel that maybe...
36:36Robin's very easy to talk to.
36:37I think...
36:38He was nervous?
36:38Well, no.
36:39I think, honestly, David wanted us to know that he was a family man, that he had grandchildren,
36:46that he was a cool dad.
36:48I felt like he was trying to prove to her that he was a stand-up guy.
36:51Yeah.
36:52And I didn't know why specifically.
36:54You know what?
36:55In a whole other world and universe, I thought it would be nice if, you know, Cody and David
37:01could get along and just be buddies, you know, eventually, kind of a thing.
37:04You know, Cody thinks the same thing.
37:06I'm sure it'll happen.
37:07It's got to happen sometime.
37:08Well, Cody actually mentioned going on a guy's trip with David, possibly.
37:10What do you think about that?
37:14You'd have a good time.
37:14Guy's trip.
37:15We could do that.
37:16You'd have a good time.
37:16There's a few rules that need to be changed.
37:19What are the rules?
37:22That's between Cody and I.
37:25Oh, wow.
37:26I'd like to know.
37:27I'd like to know what the rules are.
37:28But, you know, it felt like, you know, when you were talking, you know, Cody mentioned
37:33that you were just looking at Robin.
37:35Were you just looking at Robin or were you just kind of trying to connect?
37:38No, anybody knows me.
37:39I'm a people person.
37:40I was trying to make a conversation.
37:42I've never met him before, so.
37:44Did it feel like trial by fire in some way?
37:47Like, you know.
37:48It just needed to get it done.
37:49Yeah.
37:49I was just excited also to have it done.
37:52They need to meet.
37:53David's going to be in my life for the rest of my life.
37:55Cody's in my life for the rest of my life.
37:57So it's like they just needed to meet.
37:59Everybody needed to meet.
38:00And I was excited to just get that done with.
38:02Well, would you ever consider going on a double date in the future?
38:05In the future, yes.
38:06Right now, no.
38:07But in the future, yes.
38:08Honestly, I'd have to talk a lot about it beforehand and just be like, I mean, I'd be a mess before.
38:14I'd be like, I don't know.
38:15I don't know if I can do this.
38:17And David would be like, it's going to be okay.
38:19You're going to be fine.
38:19I'm here.
38:20I got you.
38:21I just have a lot of nervousness about that.
38:23I mean, a lot of nervousness about being around them right now.
38:25Nervousness over, what is that nervousness from?
38:30Because who he thinks I am isn't me.
38:32When he says that I, you know, smack talk, like I talk bad about him behind his back.
38:39And I never wanted to live like me.
38:42And I was this way with Robin.
38:43And he says all these things about me that aren't true.
38:46He doesn't know who I am.
38:47So for me to go into a room and be like, look, I was married to you for 26 years.
38:51You should know who I am.
38:53But he doesn't know.
38:54He keeps on saying things that I hear.
38:56And I don't like what he says about me.
38:58I haven't liked what he has said about me for years.
39:02So do I want to be around that?
39:03No.
39:04No, I don't.
39:05Is that because possibly you were trying to be a different person in the relationship than what maybe Cody wanted?
39:10No, it's because I gave it my all.
39:12Yeah.
39:13I gave it everything, everything that I was.
39:17Everything that I did was for the family.
39:20Whatever he needed, I did.
39:22Because when I do anything, I am all in.
39:25And for him to dissect that and say it was anything less for me.
39:31I mean, I have a good relationship with Mary.
39:34And I still am not talking with Christine.
39:38Are we going to fix that?
39:39I don't know.
39:41We all certainly hope so.
39:44Yeah.
39:44She wants to fix it.
39:45She sat here on the couch.
39:46She literally sat here on the couch.
39:48Remember the conversation that you had?
39:50And you said you'd love to take David out on a guy's weekend?
39:54Yeah, that's just, it wouldn't be cool.
39:56Oh, he was kind of up for it.
39:57Really?
39:58Yeah.
39:59Oh, yeah.
39:59And she actually said, yeah, a possible double date in the future.
40:03She was open to it.
40:05You know, we just haven't healed that much.
40:07Have you seen each other that much?
40:09To heal?
40:12Maybe that would be a first step.
40:15Yeah, maybe.
40:18Yeah.
40:19Maybe not.
40:20Why?
40:21Personal reasons.
40:25Maybe not having the first date?
40:27Or maybe not having a double date?
40:30No.
40:31No.
40:32Christine's very undermining.
40:33I don't think so.
40:35I just, I don't want to discuss it because...
40:38Why don't you meet her where she's at?
40:40What is this?
41:05There's a hair on me.
41:06Oh.
41:07I don't know if it was an action of, I'm discarding.
41:10No, I'm just not...
41:15I just...
41:17You said she has a way of undermining it.
41:22That's your, that's your intrepidation?
41:23I'm trying to...
41:34I'm trying to understand.
41:37There's nothing left to say right now about that.
41:49Are we going to do a stare-down competition?
41:51Because I'll stare back at you.
41:52I'm just staring because there's nothing to say.
42:00Next time on Sister Wives One-on-One.
42:02Why is there so much distress over a coyote past?
42:06We just haven't proven to each other that we can trust each other.
42:10So now it's like, well, who is going to have my back?
42:13Janelle asks me about the property all the time, but I don't trust her.
42:16So I don't give her any information.
42:17He always seems to come out ahead financially on a deal.
42:21I think he really is just kind of inherently selfish.
42:23Their favorite thing about each other,
42:25that he puts your luggage on the luggage rack.
42:28That used to be a thing that Christine and I complained about.
42:30It's a metaphor for everything else in our relationship,
42:33everything else in our marriage.
42:34All right, the question I'm going to ask you is,
42:35do you get the luggage rack?
42:36My gosh, this is so stupid.
42:38I think appearance was super important to him,
42:40and it was appearance not just of himself, but of everybody.
42:43And I think he was so concerned about what other people thought of the outside
42:46that he just lost focus, that it's really the inside.
42:49I hope they find happiness because the constant comparison
42:53is going to spoil their lives.
42:55Why the hell is Christine sitting there talking to her husband about her ex?
43:00Rob and I are accused all the time that all we ever wanted was each other.
43:04It's just BS.
43:06It's internet BS.
43:08It's just crappy commentary on our family.
43:12I think he really just needs to somehow justify all the reasons
43:17that Robin's so perfect for him.
43:19Do you still believe in polygamy?
43:21I, uh, if I had some sort of guarantee and Cody was up for it, yeah.