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From Bhutto to Nawaz - How Pakistan Became a Nuclear Power? - Rana Ihsaan Afzal Told Everything
Every Government Supported Pakistan’s Nuclear Dream, says Qamar Zaman Kaira
"Pakistan Ko Chahiye Sab Ko Bata Day Kay...", Major Gen(r) Raza Mohammad's Big Statement
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:13Peace be upon you, dear viewers.
00:14I am Ashfaq Ishaq Sati.
00:15I hope you are all well and safe.
00:16I hope you are protecting yourself.
00:17Today is a day of celebration.
00:18And it's been 27 years for security for Pakistan.
00:20It is great honor that Pakistan has resulted in six nuclear bombings out of five.
00:23Today signifies that day.
00:24Now, as time passed since 1998, we have come to know about the importance of these bombings.
00:29We are very proud that Pakistan is now demonstrating its solidarity with India.
00:32And we are very happy to celebrate this day.
00:35It's a great honor for us.
00:42and as time went by after 1998, we realized how important it was for Pakistan to become an atomic power.
00:51Pakistan is the only atomic power in the 57 Islamic countries in the world,
00:56so it is also very important that Pakistan is the translation of the Ummah of Muslims.
01:01And the recent incident with India and the way Pakistan responded to it,
01:06the way Pakistan debted India, and then it was said that we can humiliate them in unconventional warfare.
01:15And in conventional warfare, India is very powerful, there is a budget of 86 billion dollars,
01:20there we have a budget of 8-10 billion dollars, so we cannot compete with them.
01:24Their army is big, their air force is big, their navy is big, their budget, everything is big.
01:30But the way we showed our supremacy this time, our air force, our army,
01:37the way we debted them in conventional warfare, we told them that what is unconventional,
01:44you cannot even compete with us conventionally.
01:47That is, our response will be swift and brutal.
01:50And if you do the new norm, we will do the new norm plus for you.
01:53And this is what Pakistan did.
01:55This is one thing.
01:56The second thing is that before that, we saw that the stand-offs that kept happening,
02:00so to become a full-scale war, Pakistan's nuclear doctrine and deterrence kept stopping it.
02:08So it was very important that there were a lot of restrictions, there were a lot of pressures,
02:12America, Britain, Japan, there were a lot of countries that did not want Pakistan to do atomic bombings at that time,
02:18but Pakistan did these atomic bombings.
02:21And in the beginning, of course, after Qayam-e-Pakistan, initially it was not our policy to do atomic bombings.
02:27And then you see that we also participated in the Atom for Peace project.
02:32But later we realized in 1965 that India is slowly, you know,
02:36the way it is used to trying to make atomic weapons.
02:40Then in 1974, you know that India did the first test.
02:43Then it became very important.
02:45Then Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also gets credit for how he took the atomic program.
02:49And later, Amir Nawaz Sharif and the atomic scientists of Pakistan decided
02:53and then it was decided that Pakistan will do atomic bombings and Pakistan did it.
02:58Okay, now this is the first formula.
03:01The second thing I wanted to talk about is that the Prime Minister of Pakistan is on a very important tour.
03:07And obviously, we are also seeing that it is the tour of Azerbaijan.
03:11And there, Turkey and then Azerbaijan and the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
03:15they are having very important discussions together.
03:18And there, obviously, there will be business issues as well.
03:21There are many other issues that will be discussed.
03:23And especially this timing is very important.
03:25Think about it, Turkey has gone, Iran has gone, now Azerbaijan has gone.
03:29So in the world, before our delegation goes in June,
03:32which will open the eyes of the world,
03:34it is very important for our leadership to go there.
03:38So one thing is very important.
03:40Okay, there are also tweets that have been made on the completion of 27 years of atomic bombings.
03:46That is, Nawaz Sharif, who was the Prime Minister at that time, his tweet has also come out.
03:51Mian Shahbaz Sharif, who is the Prime Minister of Pakistan, his tweet has also come out.
03:55So these things are very important.
03:57Apart from this, there is a personality named Narendra Modi.
04:01And this is basically a group of four people, as I tell you,
04:05in which Amit Shah, Ajit Doval, Rajnath Singh and the man himself, Narendra Modi,
04:11this devastation has not ended from their minds.
04:14And this narrative has not stopped.
04:16It was their place to fool the public.
04:18But while addressing the Pakistani youth,
04:21first of all, they say, yes, let's meet with India.
04:24Secondly, they say, no, the bullet is ready.
04:27First, I will tell you what courage Narendra Modi has shown.
04:32Pakistan's people will have to come forward to free Pakistan from the disease of terrorism.
04:39Pakistan's youth will have to come forward.
04:42Live a life of peace and tranquility.
04:44Eat food, or else my bullet will be there.
04:48You heard this conversation.
04:50After this, the day before yesterday we thought that we should go out and see.
04:53We did the program outdoors.
04:55And when we went and met the youth, met the students, met the elders,
04:59and we talked to the women.
05:01What answer would they like to give?
05:04How do they feel about the Indian Prime Minister's antics?
05:07So we did the whole show.
05:09But we would like to show you a glimpse of it.
05:11We would like to show you some glimpses.
05:13Please, have a look.
05:15What has our forces done to them?
05:17Even after that, if they give this threat, it will be their big stupidity.
05:20Right now, only Rafale is destroyed.
05:22God willing, that will also be destroyed.
05:24We have not kept any toys to play with.
05:26We also have Fateh, nuclear missiles.
05:28They said that they will stop our water supply.
05:30We will stop their breathing.
05:32The Sikhs who are standing against you right now,
05:34and they are ready to break the bricks of India.
05:36And they say that Pakistan should work a little,
05:38and we will do the rest ourselves.
05:40Our homes are full of roots.
05:42We are 100% ready to fight on every front.
05:44Modi is Modi.
05:46We cannot ignore Modi's father.
05:48Modi has already been defeated.
05:50God willing, he will be defeated again.
05:52So you can see how passionate this was.
05:54Many of these things were like this.
05:56We met many people,
05:58whose words we had to erase.
06:00Because we are not the Indian media.
06:02We are not Indian channels.
06:04We have to show a little responsibility.
06:06So it is also very important to control your emotions.
06:08So these things are very important.
06:10Now let's talk about this.
06:12Let's introduce the guest.
06:14Rana Ihsan Afzal is joining us on the video link.
06:16He is the coordinator of the Prime Minister.
06:18Thank you so much for your time.
06:20Major General Raza Mohammad is with us in the studio.
06:22He is also a defense expert.
06:24He will also be joining us later.
06:26He is a senior advisor of the PPP.
06:28General sir, let's start with you.
06:30I will come to Modi sir.
06:32But today,
06:34believe me,
06:36with every passing day,
06:38when you take a decision,
06:40you think that it is God's grace
06:42that we took this decision.
06:44Today, we have completed 27 years.
06:46Today is 28th May.
06:48What do you remember about
06:5028th May 1998?
06:52First of all,
06:54Assalam-o-Alaikum to you.
06:56Assalam-o-Alaikum to you,
06:58to our country, to our people.
07:00Congratulations to all of you
07:02for this day.
07:04Today's happiness has doubled.
07:06It has doubled in the way that
07:08we are celebrating Yom-e-Takbir.
07:10The day we became an atomic force
07:12and rose to the world map
07:14as an atomic force.
07:16And on the other hand,
07:18after a victory,
07:20we are celebrating Yom-e-Takbir
07:22after a victory
07:24in Mar-e-Haq.
07:26As far as
07:281998 is concerned,
07:30I was in Sialkot
07:32at that time
07:34and we were commanding a unit.
07:36When India made these explosions,
07:38obviously, everyone was excited.
07:40On 12th, 13th May,
07:42after that there was a big explosion.
07:44Yes, they made explosions for two days.
07:46If I remember correctly,
07:48there were 12 explosions.
07:50So, there was a debate in Pakistan
07:52whether to do it or not.
07:54Many people were in favour of it,
07:56barring a few who were
07:58advising to be careful.
08:00External powers were also
08:02forcing Pakistan
08:04not to make atomic explosions.
08:06We will do this, we will do that.
08:08Take 5 billion dollars.
08:10Take so much money.
08:12We will help you.
08:14But hats off to our leadership
08:16that they made it possible
08:18in such a short span of time.
08:20Yes, and they made this decision
08:22and not just one,
08:24they made 7 atomic explosions.
08:266.
08:28So, Alhamdulillah,
08:30it was a very happy day.
08:32We were together in Sialkot
08:34and our GOC,
08:36Kajal Tariq,
08:38he called everyone together
08:40to discuss what Pakistan should do.
08:42Everyone was for it.
08:44It was a matter of now or never.
08:46So, Alhamdulillah,
08:48we got this good news that evening.
08:50There was a celebration in the whole country.
08:52The whole of Pakistan came out.
08:54There was fireworks everywhere.
08:56Drums were being played.
08:58Bhangras were being played.
09:00Sweets were being distributed.
09:02Alhamdulillah.
09:04And Mr. Satish, the important thing is
09:06that after that,
09:08no matter how many times
09:10there has been escalation
09:12Alhamdulillah,
09:14it didn't go beyond that.
09:16And the second thing is that
09:18Pakistan did the explosions
09:20and restored the balance
09:22in this area.
09:24A parity was created.
09:26Earlier, it was in their favor.
09:28We were not a declared nuclear power.
09:30A balance was created,
09:32a parity was created
09:34and a sense of security came
09:36that Pakistan will not be blackmailed.
09:38So, Alhamdulillah,
09:40there was a showdown in May.
09:42There was no need for this.
09:44Within 4 to 5 hours,
09:46you took your initiative
09:48with conventional deterrence
09:50in your own hands.
09:52Like I mentioned in my intro.
09:54Yes.
09:56Mr. Rana,
09:58you tell me,
10:00I mean,
10:02it's a moment of pride
10:04that you think this
10:06and I think this again and again
10:08that if we had not done
10:10these atomic explosions,
10:12if we had not accepted
10:14the $5 billion proposal
10:16and said,
10:18let's get on with it,
10:20what would have happened
10:22to us later
10:24if we had not been
10:26a declared nuclear power?
10:28What happened then
10:30happened,
10:32but how much peace
10:34we have got after that
10:36Look, it's the 27th anniversary
10:38of the nuclear explosions
10:40and if you look at the population
10:42of Pakistan,
10:4460% of the population
10:46is below 30 years old.
10:48So, a lot of Pakistanis,
10:50in fact, the majority of the population
10:52of Pakistan,
10:54when they were born or when they
10:56regained consciousness,
10:58we were already a nuclear state.
11:00So, if any country wants
11:02to become nuclear today,
11:04Pakistan is ready to stop it.
11:06And it's very difficult
11:08for you to become a nuclear state today
11:10because the world wants
11:12that this ability
11:14is not there
11:16because the consequences
11:18of using it are terrible.
11:20So, Pakistan is the only
11:22Muslim country
11:24that has this power,
11:26this technology
11:28and we declared
11:30in 1998
11:32that Pakistan is capable
11:34and we have made 6 explosions
11:36against India's 5 explosions.
11:38So, this is a long journey
11:40that started from Bhutto's time
11:42and other governments
11:44played their role in it.
11:46And let's say that
11:48a Taj or a credit
11:50was given to Mian Nawaz Sharif
11:52that during his government
11:54we did this nuclear blast
11:56and after that the reaction
11:58that came was also in our government
12:00which was of
12:02international pressure.
12:04But this was a very important
12:06part that we achieved
12:08and if we hadn't done it
12:10then the parity that
12:12General Sir is talking about
12:14if we hadn't achieved it
12:16with India,
12:18then the deterrence
12:20that the wars would have stopped
12:22or it wouldn't have
12:24been converted to a large scale war.
12:26So, today when
12:28Pakistan and India
12:30have a small fight
12:32then it is international news.
12:34And the forces of the world
12:36have to focus
12:38in this area
12:40so that this war
12:42doesn't escalate.
12:44And you saw that Alhamdulillah
12:46there is nuclear deterrence
12:48but Allah gave us another success
12:50which last month and this month
12:52the whole nation felt
12:54that India and Pakistan
12:56who had a budget of 80 billion dollars
12:58gave that to Pakistan
13:00who had a defense budget
13:02of 10 billion dollars.
13:04So, it is Allah's grace
13:06that we are a nuclear...
13:08I remember that
13:10I was a teenager
13:12and there was a celebration
13:14when we did
13:166 nuclear explosions
13:18and this celebration was not
13:20only in Pakistan
13:22but all the countries
13:24celebrated it
13:26whether it was
13:28Saudi Arabia
13:30or Indonesia
13:32so there was a sense of pride
13:34that even the Muslim countries
13:36have this power.
13:38So, it is Allah's grace
13:40and I feel that
13:42where we are a nuclear state
13:44there we are a responsible
13:46nuclear state.
13:48So,
13:50whatever the international
13:52laws of nuclear
13:54standards we meet
13:56we are a very
13:58secure and safe environment.
14:00Unlike India
14:04but nobody talks about it
14:06and the world should now talk about it
14:08because it is a very irresponsible
14:10behavior of India.
14:12And one more thing
14:14being a nuclear state
14:16we are peace loving.
14:18We want
14:20peace in this area
14:22and our country
14:24is a wall
14:26between terrorism and war
14:28which is a wall of terrorism
14:30in front of the world.
14:32We are taking a hit every day.
14:34We are fighting.
14:36We have lost almost 90,000 lives
14:38in this war of terrorism.
14:40Our economy has lost
14:42150 billion dollars.
14:44So, if the world
14:46focuses on this
14:48then this credit goes to Pakistan
14:50that we are still fighting terrorism.
14:52And if this wall is not there
14:54then this terrorism will spread all over the world.
14:56So, Alhamdulillah Pakistan
14:58InshaAllah will not
15:00purify this country from terrorism.
15:02And our defense
15:04power and strength
15:06now we
15:08all the young people
15:10have realized the importance of this.
15:12And how important it is for us
15:14to support our Pak army
15:16and law enforcement agencies.
15:18To support them
15:20to play their role.
15:22Without a doubt.
15:24Qamar Zaman Qaira is also with us.
15:26Qaira, thank you so much for joining us.
15:28And without Zahir Akhil's party
15:30this day cannot be complete.
15:32Because Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
15:34was the one who first
15:36called a conference in January 1972
15:38of Pakistani scientists
15:40which was named Multan Conference.
15:42Then in 1974
15:44when in Pokhran
15:46India made a blast
15:48then Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
15:50had a famous statement
15:52that we will eat grass but
15:54we will definitely make an atom bomb.
15:56So, this credit goes to your party as well
15:58Qamar Zaman Qaira.
16:00And of course Mr. Nawaz Sharif
16:02made it to the logical conclusion.
16:04But there was a big struggle.
16:06What do you remember
16:08if we talk about that day
16:10what is your memory
16:12about that day?
16:14And how were you feeling that day?
16:16Of course, Pakistan
16:18had a very big
16:20memory of its independence
16:22or its defence.
16:24And without a doubt
16:26it was a day of
16:28Pakistan's strength
16:30and pride.
16:32This is a very
16:34advanced technology in the world
16:36which was very successful
16:38in establishing some
16:40weapons for its defence.
16:42And I am also happy
16:44about the fact that
16:46my leader had a dream
16:48of which he had to pay
16:50a price in the form of his life.
16:52There is no doubt
16:54that Bhutto Shaheed
16:56started this program
16:58and despite all the international
17:00pressures and threats
17:02he continued this program
17:04and he was punished.
17:06I have a lot of
17:08disagreement with General Zia
17:10but General Zia also
17:12continued this program
17:14and ultimately Mr. Nawaz Sharif
17:16got this opportunity
17:18to complete this work
17:20and he was successful.
17:22So in all this
17:24everyone has their role
17:26even Ghulam Ishaq Khan's role.
17:28You cannot deny the role
17:30but there is one person
17:32in history who was
17:34punished for this crime
17:36by taking his life.
17:38He was Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
17:40and he also saw his dream.
17:42And why did he see it?
17:44He is a very big
17:46enemy of his size.
17:48He has broken half of our country.
17:50He is the leader of this country
17:52and he dreams of destroying it.
17:54And he has to fight
17:56with him in the conventional war
17:58but he has to establish
18:00a deterrence
18:02without any doubt.
18:04He saw his dream and
18:06he was not aggressive.
18:08Along with this he started
18:10an academy program
18:12and many other projects.
18:14He started many projects
18:16to strengthen
18:18the defence system.
18:20One of the projects was this
18:22and the second was heavy rebuild factory.
18:24The third project was
18:26Samra aeronautical complex.
18:28These were also Chinese bombs.
18:30Along with China
18:32they are making the missiles.
18:34BB Shaheed
18:36in his time
18:38developed the missile technology
18:40and he was also punished for it.
18:42BB Shaheed was also punished
18:44for acquiring
18:46the technology
18:48which was not available in Pakistan.
18:50Then Pakistani scientists
18:52refined and modified it.
18:54And now along with China
18:56they have improved it.
18:58This is a great achievement.
19:00And without a doubt
19:02in the present situation
19:04we should celebrate this day
19:06with gratitude.
19:08Without a doubt.
19:10Mr. Judge,
19:12these 27 years
19:14and the atomic bombings
19:16especially when
19:18IAEA, ISAB
19:20and many other institutions
19:22are watching the bombings
19:24and many of your enemies
19:26are managing them
19:28with so much responsibility.
19:30Especially to make a separate division
19:32whose job is to protect them.
19:34And if we compare it
19:36with India
19:38then we see that sometimes
19:40the news is coming from there
19:42that the atomic bomb was stolen,
19:44sometimes the plutonium was stolen
19:46and sometimes the uranium was lost.
19:48So how will you compare
19:50our sense of responsibility
19:52and India's irresponsibility?
19:54First of all,
19:56the nuclear program
19:58is for security.
20:00There is physical security
20:02and technological security.
20:04Apart from this,
20:06intelligence and other institutions
20:08are all connected.
20:10Pakistan has established the SPD
20:12and then the security division.
20:14All these things.
20:16What you said is very important.
20:18Pakistan's program
20:20is so secure
20:22that when IAEA
20:24people come
20:26for inspections
20:28and visits,
20:30they give a special statement
20:32that Pakistan's atomic program
20:34is very secure.
20:36Even the Americans
20:38have repeatedly said
20:40that Pakistan's atomic program
20:42is very secure.
20:44If you remember,
20:46there was a lot of propaganda
20:48that Pakistan's situation is getting worse
20:50and that Pakistan's weapons
20:52should not be seized by terrorists
20:54and extremists.
20:56I would say that
20:58not a single drop of uranium
21:00or plutonium
21:02has come out of Pakistan.
21:04And as you said,
21:06India's track record
21:08is very bad.
21:10They are continuously stealing.
21:12Where does it come from?
21:14From where is it seized?
21:16I think the international community
21:18should pay attention to this
21:20and should caution them.
21:22This is a big country
21:24with big claims
21:26and their program
21:28is very insecure.
21:30The second thing is
21:32Pakistan's sense of responsibility
21:34as a nuclear state.
21:36That is very important
21:38to explain.
21:40Pakistan has never
21:42done a nuclear blackmail.
21:44Even now,
21:46they have re-established
21:48the terrorists.
21:50Within 4-5 hours,
21:52they have started
21:54calling out.
21:56Today, I was sitting
21:58in an event
22:00and I came to know
22:02that even the foreign minister
22:04of China was approached
22:06to stop the war.
22:08And if you remember,
22:10that day,
22:12one of their spokeswoman
22:14said that they are ready
22:16to stop the war
22:18if Pakistan does it.
22:20From where do they say
22:22that they did not say it?
22:24I think it was their
22:26thoughtlessness
22:28to entangle Pakistan.
22:30General sir,
22:32if we talk about
22:34deterrence and
22:36a nuclear threshold,
22:38there is a reason for it.
22:40We do not keep it
22:42to ourselves.
22:44You spoke about
22:46the threshold.
22:48It is the limit
22:50of tolerance.
22:52I am one of those people
22:54who can openly say
22:56that if we have
22:58nuclear weapons
23:00and if we tolerate
23:02them,
23:04then we will become
23:06nuclear.
23:08Why?
23:10We should declare
23:12our nuclear threshold
23:14in a lower and
23:16nuanced way.
23:18For example,
23:20France's nuclear threshold
23:22is that if we cross the border,
23:24we will become nuclear.
23:26Pakistan should say that
23:28if there are strike forces
23:30within 300-400 km,
23:32then we will become nuclear.
23:34The reason is that
23:36we lack the territorial depth.
23:38We will have to be ready for that.
23:40We should tell them
23:42not to cross the border
23:44within that distance.
23:46There should be confidence building measures.
23:48Rana sahib,
23:50tell me one thing.
23:52You mentioned 1998.
23:54The celebrations at that time
23:56and the fact that Pakistan
23:58was supposed to be
24:00a defenceless nation.
24:02The whole Islamic world
24:04celebrated it.
24:06Are you not seeing
24:08that Pakistan has
24:10regained its status
24:12as it has conventionally
24:14deterred India?
24:16It has not only increased
24:18in respect and honour,
24:20but the Muslim world
24:22is also seeing us
24:24with pride.
24:28At that time,
24:30it was a very stressful environment.
24:32President Clinton
24:34offered us
24:365 billion dollars
24:38to avoid nuclear explosions.
24:40This debate was going on
24:42in the circles.
24:44There was no certainty
24:46that there would be explosions.
24:48When it happened,
24:50there was a sense of relief
24:52and a sense of calm
24:54among the Pakistanis.
24:56Everyone got a sense of strength
24:58that we are equal
25:00if not above.
25:02I still believe that
25:04when India
25:06uncalled for
25:08an investigation,
25:10Pakistan was not the aggressor.
25:12We were open-booked
25:14that we are willing
25:16for any third-party
25:18investigation to be
25:20probed.
25:22If a third-party came,
25:24they would have been exposed.
25:26They had nothing to share.
25:28Even till today,
25:30when they sent
25:32a drone,
25:34we showed restraint.
25:36I believe that Pakistan
25:38made its credibility
25:40number one in the world.
25:42We showed restraint till the last moment.
25:44We kept warning.
25:46We said that we have the right of defence.
25:48You attacked us.
25:50We may have dropped
25:525-6 planes,
25:54but we will hit you back
25:56at the time of our choosing.
25:58Despite this, India
26:00again attacked us.
26:02When we responded,
26:04within a few hours,
26:06India's airs
26:08were blown away.
26:10This was also
26:12a great favour of Allah.
26:14Allah's favour.
26:16Allah's strategy
26:18on the diplomatic front
26:20everything paid off.
26:22Alhamdulillah.
26:24Mr. Kaira,
26:26you showed a statement
26:28in which Modi said
26:30that we can't use
26:32the same language
26:34used by the media,
26:36but Pakistani youth
26:38should come out
26:40against the government
26:42and the army
26:44or else the bullet is ready.
26:46I have said this in the beginning.
26:48After that, a big reaction
26:50has come out.
26:52What do you think
26:54the people who claim to be
26:56supporters of democracy
26:58are living in delusion?
27:00What is their mindset?
27:02Have you been able to decipher anything?
27:04Before I come to your question,
27:06the first thing is that
27:08Pakistan knows
27:10a lot about the
27:12issues of India.
27:14Modi had started this
27:16agenda many years ago.
27:18The way he announced
27:20the Kashmir agenda,
27:22Modi's agenda
27:24from 2005-06
27:26to 2015-16
27:28had been declared.
27:30He had said in his speeches
27:32that he would take back the water
27:34from this agreement.
27:36He has repeatedly said
27:38that this agreement is in
27:40the interest of Pakistan.
27:42However, we don't have
27:44such a debate
27:46that our rulers
27:48have sold the water
27:50to Pakistan.
27:52This is a matter of perception.
27:54One thing is very clear.
27:56In this war, Pakistan
27:58has won morally,
28:00militarily,
28:02through media,
28:04through social media.
28:06The government has also
28:08defended in a very good way.
28:10The onslaught is still there.
28:12One thing, our defense
28:14will be very good.
28:16The team that has been formed
28:18is very good.
28:20We have a very good case
28:22that will be presented
28:24in a very good way.
28:26Pakistan is a nuclear state.
28:28Whenever a weapon is made,
28:30whether it is a bomb,
28:32a gun, a missile,
28:34it is for its own defense.
28:36Pakistan is not aggressive
28:38against anyone.
28:40This is very clear.
28:42The weapon is for its own defense.
28:44Mr. Kaira, let's take a break.
28:48After the break, once again,
28:50I would like to hear
28:52the statement of
28:54Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif.
28:56As a responsible state,
28:58as a responsible nuclear state,
29:00we have always been
29:02responsible and we have
29:04said that we want peace.
29:06Once again, the Prime Minister
29:08has said the same thing.
29:10Yesterday we wanted peace.
29:12Today we want peace.
29:14Tomorrow we want peace.
29:16India has many issues
29:18which need urgent attention.
29:20The issue of Kashmir.
29:22Secondly is the water issue.
29:24Finally, terrorism.
29:26If India wants to talk
29:28on countering terrorism
29:30in sincerity of purpose,
29:32Pakistan would be willing
29:34to talk to India
29:36on this issue as well.
29:38All these issues need
29:40to be discussed on the table.
29:42Do you think that
29:44Modi ka mindset kuch aur hai. Hindutva ka nazariya kuch aur hai. Kaise isko expose kiya jaye?
29:50Aapne Hindutva ki baat ki. Actually agar aapko yaad ho to jo in ke forefather se Gandhi sahab
29:54the, Narendra Modi sahab the, baaki log jo aaye. To wo they were secular in their thought.
29:59They thought that India would be a secular polity. Down the line ye jab RSS ka influence
30:05badta gaya BJP mein to ye ek hardliner, religiously hardliner Hindutva ki Jamaat ban vi.
30:13Aur abhi unhone iskadar isko whip up kiya ke wahan pe bohot saari following bhi aagayi.
30:18Aur unka koi bhi jo statement hai, koi bhi jo kaam hai, wo musulmanon ki dushmani ke rang
30:25ke bagayar aagey chalta hi nahi. Agar aap dekhe to ye jo unki Colonel Sophia hain, unki apni
30:31army ke hai, unki apni representative hain. Lekin wo aagey media pe aur look at them
30:39ki us bichari ko kitna zyada unhone ne embarrass kiya aur ridicule kiya, ki sirf ek wajah se
30:44ke wo musulman hai. Puri duniya mein wo kehte hai, hum secular hain, wo hai, saare barabar
30:49hain. Aap dekhe Manipur mein kya hua, Christians se kya karte hain, Sikhon ke saath kya karte
30:53hain. Musulmanon ki lynching ho jati hai, ki isne beef kha liya. Aur sorry to say, aise
30:58bhi waqiat huen, jahaan pe ladkiyon ko brehna jo hai na, wo parade karaya gaya hai, ki
31:03wo musulman hain. Aur musulmanon ko zabardasti keh rahe hain, ki aap nare bolein, Jai Shri
31:09Ram bolein, ye karein, wo karein. To saari duniya ko isse aankhen ban nahi karne chahiye.
31:13Ek important thing ye hai, important thing, last sentence bolunga, ki they are very relevant
31:18to America and all that. Jo ki unki relevance mera khayra abhi kam ho gayi hai, President
31:23Trump ke waqat mein. To us wajah se unki jitre bhi guna tha, wo maaf kiye jaa rahe the na.
31:29To abhi mera khayra ye chalega nahi.
31:31Theek hai, theek hai. Rana sahab, ye ek aur factor jo main jaana chahara tha, wo ye
31:36hai, ki Bharat ka jo plan hai, paani rokne ka. Abhi ye aaya tha, ki jee das koi hydropower
31:42mansoobe banana chahara hai. To we spoke to an expert, to unhone bataya, ki jee Indus
31:47pe toh banana muskil hai. Ladakh side se aata hai, toh wahan par Nemobas go, ek unhone
31:5145 Megawatt ka banaya tha. Lekin usse hatke wo bana nahi sakte wahan par, kyunki possible
31:56nahi hai. Lekin Chenab, ye jo Himachal Pradesh ki side pe, ye Chenab ke paani ko rokne ke
32:00kaafi aur divert karne ke liye arrangements kar rahe hain. Hamara plan iss hawale se,
32:04hamara waqt toh jaa raha hai, lekin iss hawale se highlight karna, kis tarike se hum karenge
32:08ke usko roka jaa sake.
32:10Obviously, hamara kya stance hai?
32:11Brahma Putra pe.
32:12Humne isko kahe hai, we will consider it as an act of war. To hamara stance internationally
32:19bada clear hai. Ab humne isko uthana hai diplomatically, humne har jagah pe uthana
32:23hai, agar bilateral engagement India se hoti hai humne, udhar isko take up karna hai.
32:28Aur agar khudana khasta India nahi rukta, to act of war ke andar toh phir hum, jo wo
32:34international kanun ko toda hai, we can hit them. Karenge ye toh main extreme ek situation
32:39bata raha hoon na, ke agar ye bilkul hi Bharat nahi ruk paata, toh phir hamare liye toh
32:43paani bada aham hai. 25 crore awam jo hai, uski livelihood jo hai, uska food security
32:50jo hai, poore mul ki, toh ye uske liye aham hai. Phir hum, agar hamara haq koi cheene
32:55ga, toh phir hum militarily bhi usko respond kar sakte hai. Lekin us nobat ke aane se
33:00pehle, I think diplomatically, humne isko internationally engage karna chahiye, aur
33:06humne support milegi.
33:07Inshallah.
33:08Ke agar ye durst kar raha hai Bharat, jo wo kar raha hai, toh phir toh kal jo hai,
33:12wo aadi duniya mein jang lag jayegi, upper and lower opinions ke. Toh ye toh duniya
33:16mein jo co-exist karne ka ek tariqa kaar hai, wo toh phir tawaah ho jayega.
33:19Phir toh har seher ke liye sawa seher hai na, agar koi nizam nahi hoga, toh har seher
33:23ke liye sawa seher maujood hoga. Kaira sahab, ye zara firmaayiye ga, ki ye zayar
33:27hai ke Kashmir ka masala, internationalize ho gaya, uske upar bhi baat, aur humanitarians
33:31ground pe, ki Pakistan aur India ke territorial dispute toh hai, lekin saath hi saath wahan
33:36par insani hukook ki sangeen khilafarziyan jo Bharat kar raha hai, aur victim ban raha
33:40hai, 9 lakh faujh wahan par rakhe, zulm ke pahad aur intiha karke, wo victim ban raha
33:44hai. Ek toh ye cheez hai. Doosra, paani ka issue hai, aur jo plans hain, jis tarah
33:48se maine abhi bataya hai, ki wo Darya-e-Chanab ko kis tariqa se wo control karna chahate
33:52hain, restraint karna chahate hain. Pehle, Ravi mein paani aa jata tha, wo Modi ko
33:56pata chala, toh usko aag lag gayi, ki Ravi mein paani chhodte kyu ho bhai, nahi jaana
33:59chahiye. Toh ye kaafi saari cheez hain, jis ke upar hamare waft ko, jo hamara diplomatic
34:03ek waft jayega, Bilawal sahab ki survive mein, usko baat karni hogi. Plan kya hai
34:07is hawaale se? Kyunki kayi jehte hain is visit ki.
34:16Dekhi, pehli guzaarish hai, yeh accha hua, ki Hindustan ne, pehle bhi duniya mein,
34:22Hindustan ne apne aapko yeh declare kiya hua tha, ki humne 375 hai, usko uske zariye,
34:29Kashmir ko apne hissa declare kar diya hai. Uske declare kar dene se toh duniya ne
34:34tasleem nahi kiya, par aapkar yeh maamla jo hai, yeh Pakistan aur Hindustan ke damayan
34:38qaziye ke taur pe saamne. Doosri, jo baat, aur ispe yakinan baat hogi hai, Pakistan
34:44ka muqaddamah bada simple hai. Pakistan apna muqaddamah duniya ke saamne kya rakh raha
34:48hai, aur kya rakh na hai, wo yeh hai, ki Kashmiriyon ke saath, jo waade, Hindustan
34:54ke forefathers, yaani Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru aur unke saathiyon ne kiye the, unki
34:58hukumat ne kiye the, ke woh plebiscite ke diriye apna faisla karenge, woh waade
35:02poore karo. Wahi waade, jo Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru khut apna case leke aqaam-e-aalam
35:08ne gate, yeh Pakistan leke nahi gaya tha, woh leke gaye the, aur uske nateeje me
35:12aqaam-e-aalam ne kaha, yeh plebiscite hoga, aur Kashmir ka faisla hoga. Hum sirf
35:16yeh keh rahe hain, ki Hindustani qyadat, aur aqaam-e-aalam ne jo waade kiye the
35:20Kashmiriyon se, woh poore karein. Pakistan ka yeh muqaddamah sari duniya me bahut
35:25popular, bahut mazboot hai, iske koi shak nahi hai. Aur yeh baat nahi hai, ki yeh
35:29bilateral ho gaya hain, yeh baqaida, unke agenda pe, UN ke agenda pe tha, yeh
35:35pishle kuch saalon pehle bhi, mujhe exact saal ab yaad nahi hai, dekin chal saal
35:39kabar bhi yeh agenda ke item ke taur pe foot hua tha, fir yeh defer hua. So,
35:44unresolved issues me zaroor maujood hai. Aur aakhli gudarish karni hai, ki Hindutva
35:50ka shikar, Hindustan ka Musliman bhi hai, Hindustan ka Sikh bhi hai, mahaan ka
35:56Hindu bhi hai, choti zaati jinn ko kahte hain, anfaaj karte hain, wo Hindu bhi hai,
35:59aur tigar mazaar ke maanne wale bhi hai. Lihada, hume aur Hindustan ke andar,
36:04Hinduon me bhi bahut sari senior voices hain, hume jab bhi hum kahen, to hume
36:08kaushish karni chahiye, ki hum Hindustan ko totality me na kahen, bhalke Hindustan
36:12ke andar, wo intihar pasant soch, jisko represent Modi, aur uske saati karte hain,
36:17usko hum condemnate karte hain. Sir, mein chaar logon ko ganwata hu, shuru
36:21minute, dadaiye bhi bhi ganwaye, Rajnath Singh, Narendra Modi, Aamir Shah, Ajit
36:25Doval, mein samajhta hu ki ye hi hain jo ki responsible hain. Thank you so much,
36:29Kabaddi Samaj Kaira sahib. Bahut shukri aapka bhi, General sahib bhi, Rana Ehsan
36:33sahib, aapka shukri aap maujood hai. Ek break lenge, break ke baad wapas aake
36:36program conclude karenge ji.
36:40Welcome back to our program ke aakhar mein, Pakistan ek responsible state
36:43hai, Alhamdulillah, Allah ka shukar hai, ki hum ek atomy taaqat hain, aur duniya
36:47mein ek bawaqar zindagi guzaar rahe hain. Zara sochi hain un mulku ke baare mein
36:51jin ke paas atomy hatihaar nahi the aur wo apna difah nahi kar sakte the. To aaj
36:55wahaan par kis tariqah se unpar zulm dhai jaa rahe hain. Lekin Pakistan, jis
36:59tariqah se maine kaha ke, na sirf apne liye, balke poori ummat-e-muslimah ki
37:03umangu ka tarjumaan hai. Aur haal hi mein, conventionally bhi ye humne sabit
37:07kiya hai. Aur inshaAllah, sifaratkaari se bhi hum sabit karenge, ke ab duniya
37:11humari baat sunegi. Kyunke hum amn ki baat karte hain. Hum ukhuwat ki baat
37:17ekonomic ties ko behtar banane ki baat karte hain. Program se filal itna hi.
37:21Ashfaq Satti ko ajazab dijiye. Allah hafiz wa nasir.