- 26/05/2025
Jenn learns to live with a monster: her big brother, Jimmy. He’s cold, cruel, and violent, preying on his own family, mainly his mother, Mary. Eventually, Jenn leaves home, but her mother is trapped in a house with a son she loves — and fears.
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00:17The tattoo.
00:19I had never seen it.
00:22Interesting.
00:25So, this must be the tattoo that James decided to get
00:29after he was in jail,
00:31thinking it would potentially help him,
00:33make it look like, you know, why would I get a tattoo
00:36dedicated to my mom if I'm the one that killed her?
00:39But in reality, he got the tattoo
00:42to commemorate what he did to her.
00:46Sick, demented person that he is,
00:48he enjoyed every single second of what he was doing to her.
00:52♪♪
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01:08Jimmy Tench is, without a doubt, an evil human being.
01:13Definitely a pathological liar.
01:17There were over 1,000 pieces of evidence
01:21pointing to him committing this crime.
01:26Stop the charade of he's innocent,
01:28this is a wrongful conviction.
01:30I would love to hear him finally admit
01:32that he's the one that murdered our mother.
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01:45So, you know, I've talked to your sister.
01:47I mean, she's actually told me she thinks you're evil.
01:50How do you respond to that?
01:52I don't want to talk about anything Jennifer said.
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01:57I mean, I understand the duct tape
01:58that was found around your mother's neck...
02:01Yes. ...was the same duct tape
02:03that you purchased at Home Depot.
02:06Everybody that testified throughout the trial lied.
02:10The evidence doesn't lie, though.
02:12No, it doesn't.
02:15So, people can lie, but evidence, blood...
02:19Correct. DNA.
02:20People can lie, but evidence can't.
02:24Did you kill your mother?
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03:12This is a picture of my mom.
03:15She loved being a grandmother.
03:18I mean, she definitely spoiled the kids
03:19every chance she could.
03:22My kids definitely ask about her.
03:24The younger ones do.
03:26Why don't I have a grandma?
03:28And I've had to explain it to them.
03:29And it took a while for me to actually feel comfortable
03:33explaining it to them, you know,
03:35what happened to her, who was responsible for it.
03:40And they, you know, their first question is,
03:42why would a kid kill his mom?
03:45I explain it that some people are just evil.
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04:13Jimmy was my older brother.
04:16But I would say he never acted like a brother should.
04:21♪♪
04:24I don't think there's a single memory of Jimmy
04:27that I have that is positive.
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04:32I remember we had a school Christmas banquet
04:37that had a raffle.
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04:43For some reason, I actually got the luck of the draw,
04:47and I got quite a few prizes that year.
04:50Some of the items that I won were, like, popcorn,
04:54a boom box, a movie, a gift certificate
04:58for two free karate lessons or something.
05:01And I was really looking forward to that.
05:03And my brother didn't get anything.
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05:11So after the raffle was done,
05:15I just remember hearing him complaining to my mom,
05:19saying he didn't get anything, it wasn't fair.
05:22He was trying to grab items,
05:25kick items, break items, you know, just in general,
05:28just trying to grab whatever he could
05:31because he was jealous and he was upset.
05:33My mom told him to stop a couple times,
05:36but he just kept doing it.
05:38And then finally, my mom looks at me, she's like,
05:40you know, you need to share with your brother,
05:42and he can pick whatever he wants.
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05:47He actually took the boom box.
05:51He got the karate envelope too.
05:54He got them both.
05:57I was pretty dumbfounded, sitting there realizing
05:59he just threw a massive temper tantrum
06:03and got exactly what he wanted.
06:06But he just looked at me and smiled.
06:10At a young age, Jimmy started picking up
06:12on ways he could manipulate my parents,
06:15especially my mom.
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06:23So we're looking at a picture.
06:25It's Jimmy, my dad, and I.
06:29Not many people really wanted to spend time with him.
06:32I definitely did not want to be close to Jimmy at all.
06:37I didn't want to be anywhere near him.
06:39So this was absolutely a forced photo.
06:42I definitely did not want to be where I was,
06:45and I'm pretty sure my facial expressions say that.
06:51It wouldn't take much for him to lash out.
06:55He would get angry, and he would get physical.
06:59He hit me all the time when we were at home,
07:01and there were no consequences.
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07:12The police ended up showing up at the school,
07:16and we didn't know why at first.
07:18We didn't know what was going on, and I said to somebody,
07:21I said, oh, have you seen my brother?
07:23Like, yeah, he was taken by the police.
07:27And I said, what?
07:29And they said, yeah, he wrote a hit list.
07:33I didn't really understand what a hit list was at first,
07:36and then I asked, I said, what's a hit list?
07:38And they said, a list of people he wants to kill.
07:42So I got home from school.
07:46He was there, both my parents were there.
07:48He was trying to convince my parents that it wasn't him.
07:53And he said it was a girl in his class that had did it
07:56and put it in his desk, and that's where they found it.
07:59Jimmy was always shifting the blame.
08:01He was never responsible for anything he did.
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08:08I knew it was him, but my parents just kind of brushed it off,
08:13acted like it wasn't really happening
08:15instead of acknowledging that there was a problem.
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08:22I firmly believe that the hit list was something
08:24that he wrote out and he put God into
08:27and was considering doing.
08:30I absolutely believe that given the right circumstances,
08:33Jimmy would have went in our parents' closet,
08:38gained access to my father's gun,
08:41and brought it to school and used it.
08:43It was something I was used to,
08:45just not being comfortable around him
08:48because of his, you know, his anger.
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09:00One night, my dad went to go get the mail,
09:05and he saw that there was a credit card-like statement
09:11addressed to him, but he wasn't familiar with it.
09:15So he opened it, and there was like five or so words
09:19and it was like five or so thousand dollars.
09:23He didn't realize that he didn't have this card,
09:25but he knew who did.
09:27You know how much money that is.
09:30And Jimmy just sat there and denied.
09:33And he looked at me and said, give me your wallet.
09:36I was like, what? He said, give me your wallet.
09:39So my brother just kind of pulled the wallet
09:42out of his pocket and slammed it on the table.
09:45And my dad went over, opened the wallet,
09:48and found the credit card.
09:51My dad wanted to report it.
09:53I'm turning you in.
09:54But my mom, her response was,
09:56he's our son and it's just money.
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10:02Jimmy realized that even though dad was upset about it,
10:06that mom wouldn't do anything to enforce it.
10:11So he was again getting away with a crime.
10:17And mom was covering up for it.
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10:33My father was diagnosed with esophagus cancer
10:37August of 2011.
10:40And he had passed away by April of 2012.
10:45Jimmy remained in the house with my mother.
10:48He saw it as an opportunity
10:51to start taking advantage of her more.
10:54You could equate it to being open season
10:58on abusing my mother.
11:01Anything he could do, like to abuse her
11:04and manipulate her, he was doing it.
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11:10This call is from a DRC correctional facility
11:12and is subject to monitoring and recording.
11:14To accept this call, press zero.
11:17Hi, Jimmy. I just have a couple questions.
11:20I know you've had a lot of time to work on your case,
11:23so you must have some kind of a theory
11:26on who did this and why.
11:29I have no idea.
11:31Will you be willing to do an on-camera interview
11:35to talk about this?
11:37Yeah, that's fine.
11:38Okay.
11:39I mean, I'm never going to say to anybody
11:41I did it because I didn't.
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11:48One evening, my mom had called me
11:50and let me know that she had gone to the ER
11:52because she had tripped and fallen
11:56and hit her face.
12:00And I said, oh, are you okay?
12:01Do you need me to come up and, you know, sit with you?
12:03And she's like, no, no, your brother's here.
12:05And I said, okay.
12:06I said, well, if you need anything, let me know.
12:09She was coming over for dinner the next day,
12:13and when she comes in the house,
12:15I look directly at her and I said,
12:17are you sure you fell?
12:20And she looked at me and she said, yeah, why?
12:22I was like, you look like you've been punched in the face.
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12:28And just the whole story that she told me,
12:31like tripping and falling, did not make sense.
12:35And I kind of told her, I said, this is your opportunity
12:38to let me know something else happened.
12:41And she got very quiet, very quiet.
12:46And she's like, no, I fell.
12:49She went from being excited to see us
12:52to kind of just deflated.
12:55I think that Jimmy punched my mom in the face,
12:59and she was definitely covering for him.
13:02I would say that while I was worried,
13:06without her verbally telling me what was going on,
13:08I could not do anything.
13:10So it was frustrating.
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13:24Hello?
13:26My mother was supposed to come over
13:29and watch my children on 11, 12, 13
13:34so that I could go to a doctor's appointment.
13:37And she wanted to make sure we were still all set
13:40for her to come over and watch the kids.
13:42I said, yes, you know, definitely.
13:45And she said, because I'd like to talk to both of you.
13:48♪♪
13:51And then I asked her, I said, are you okay?
13:54And she hesitated.
13:57And she said, yeah.
14:00And I said, you don't sound convincing.
14:02And I said, are you sure you're okay?
14:04She's like, I'll be fine.
14:06I just want to talk to you.
14:09I can still hear my mom's voice
14:11and I can still hear just how quiet it was.
14:14I firmly believe that she was going to tell us
14:18what was going on and what he was doing
14:21and how he was abusing her.
14:24Maybe he was even in the house
14:26and she was trying to make it to where he couldn't hear her.
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14:31And I definitely asked her, you know,
14:33do you want to come over after work?
14:35You know, spend the night?
14:37I have to go.
14:39And she's like, no, no, I'll be fine.
14:41She said she'd rather sleep in her bed.
14:43And that was the last time I talked to my mom.
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14:59I ended up calling Jimmy back,
15:01and I said, you know, what's going on?
15:05Is everything okay?
15:06He said, no, I can't find Mom.
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15:12He said she didn't come home from work
15:14and I've been driving around looking for her
15:17and I can't find her.
15:20So I said, have you called Brunswick Police Department?
15:25And he said, no.
15:28I told him he had to get his butt up
15:32and call the police now.
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15:58And I woke up and I had a missed call.
16:00And I called her phone and I didn't get an answer,
16:02so I just went driving around.
16:05I couldn't find her car anywhere on 71 or in Brunswick.
16:09Is there any way I can get you checked
16:10to see if there's any accidents reported
16:12or anything like that?
16:13Yeah, I don't have anything listed.
16:15All right, thank you.
16:16You're welcome. Bye.
16:17♪♪
16:19I haven't heard Ed Wiesen forever.
16:22It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
16:25There's no, and I'm so worried.
16:27So that's his typical quiet voice that he has
16:32when he's not telling the truth.
16:34He's absolutely lying.
16:37He knew exactly where she was.
16:39She was less than a mile away from the house,
16:42already deceased.
16:44He killed her.
16:46♪♪
16:50Jimmy keeps trying to call me
16:52and I keep asking him, what's going on?
16:54Like, you need to start talking.
16:55You need to tell me what's going on.
16:57He's like, I didn't do anything.
16:58And I could tell he was lying.
17:00And the main reason I could tell he was lying
17:03was because when he lied, he got quiet.
17:06When he lied, he got quiet.
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17:24I just remember I yelled no into the phone.
17:33Because I didn't want to believe it.
17:37And...
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17:42I just remember my son was sitting there
17:46and he just started crying.
17:50All he knows is that, you know, he does love his grandmother
17:54and she's not there.
17:56He said, Mommy, he's like,
17:58I think Jimmy's the one that killed Grandma.
18:02And, um, I asked him,
18:06what do you mean you think that Jimmy did it?
18:09And he explained that when he was over at my mom's house
18:14one of the last times he had slept over
18:17that my brother had grabbed a coffee mug from the cupboard
18:22and it had a little crack in it.
18:24And he slammed the coffee mug down, breaking it
18:27and was yelling at my mom in her face
18:30about keeping a broken coffee mug around.
18:33And he was furious and verbally abusing my mom
18:37in front of my kids over a coffee mug.
18:41So then I feel helpless because I, you know,
18:44I had to have a conversation with my 7-year-old
18:48about how, you know, when he sees things like this
18:53he needs to tell me.
18:55And according to him, she had told him not to say anything.
19:00So at that point, I'm mad.
19:03I'm mad because it just goes to show he has no remorse,
19:11no care for who's in the situation,
19:14and he doesn't care that my kids just witnessed
19:17that kind of traumatic, you know, situation and experience.
19:21He doesn't care at all.
19:25So I called one of the Brunswick detectives back and I said,
19:30okay, I believe Jimmy's the one that did this.
19:35And his exact words were, well, yeah,
19:38your brother's a total piece of s***.
19:41And I said, I'm aware of that,
19:43but I didn't think he'd ever take it this far.
19:55This is a picture of where they found my mom's vehicle.
20:01According to detectives,
20:03there were footprints leading from this vehicle
20:07that went in the direction of the development
20:11where my mom's house was.
20:13I mean, all you had to do was walk through this field,
20:17walk through one of these backyards,
20:19and get home.
20:21And there were footprints in people's backyards.
20:25I believe he was trying to get,
20:27he was going to try to get her out of the vehicle
20:29and leave her there
20:31and possibly take the vehicle somewhere else.
20:35That's what I believe.
20:37And then when he realized he wasn't going to be able
20:40to get her out of the trunk of the vehicle
20:44because her coat was stuck,
20:46he took her out of the vehicle
20:48because her coat was stuck.
20:50He decided he was going to try to pull the license plate off,
20:54which in turn left the glove print
20:57on the back of the license plate.
20:59According to the transcripts when I read,
21:02he had tried to pull the license plate off the vehicle
21:06using the gloves.
21:08That's why they had the glove imprint on the license plate.
21:12Absolutely, this was not a very smart individual.
21:18Committing this crime.
21:23I have the utmost respect for you guys.
21:26I really do.
21:28But I did not do this.
21:31Now, I understand that she was close by.
21:36Nothing upsets me more than knowing that she called me.
21:42And I was asleep.
21:44And I could not help her.
21:47Do you know what that's like?
21:50I've been blaming myself all day for missing that phone call.
21:54And she was close by, and I missed that call.
21:57That probably made me...
22:04cry so much better, right?
22:06Saved her life.
22:10I absolutely believe those are forced and fake tears.
22:13Buddy, you're probably crying because you got caught.
22:16And I did not do this.
22:19That detective does not look like he is buying anything that Jimmy is saying.
22:24I mean, he can lie to himself all he wants
22:27and try to portray himself as being this good person,
22:31a good, upstanding man.
22:33But in reality, there's a history.
22:37So at some point, I found out from the detectives
22:40that my brother had written himself a check
22:44and forged my mom's signature on the check for over $13,000.
22:50I mean, she was pretty broke.
22:53She had no other choice but to get him to stop.
22:58So she was telling him,
23:00leave or I'm going to tell the police.
23:03So he did this
23:05because she was going to kick him out of the house.
23:08She was going to report him.
23:09You know, he was potentially looking to go to jail.
23:14I would like to know why he couldn't just, you know,
23:18stop stealing from our parents
23:22to the point of our mother was threatening
23:25to go to the police to stop him.
23:28Why would you stoop to the idea that killing her
23:32was going to be the answer to your problems being solved?
23:44In order to give the element of surprise
23:47to kind of catch her off guard,
23:49he unplugged the garage door.
23:53So my mom gets home, and the garage isn't working.
23:58So she goes to the front door
24:02to ring the doorbell to let him know
24:04that she needs him in the house.
24:06And when she got to the front porch,
24:09he ambushed her and hit her on the head with a wedge,
24:13which is a tool that you use to help you split firewood.
24:19Pulled her into the garage,
24:22and he ended up running her over,
24:25hitting her with her own vehicle.
24:28He put her in the back of the vehicle,
24:33drove it to the place where he had left her.
24:38For whoever did whatever to her, it was personal.
24:43It just wasn't a random type act.
24:48It was a personal thing.
24:50He was just going to do whatever to her.
24:54He was going to kill her.
24:56He was going to do whatever to her.
25:00He was going to do whatever to her.
25:04It just wasn't a random type act.
25:16There was duct tape wrapped around her mouth.
25:20We have the duct tape.
25:23I'm sure that's going to yield valuable evidence.
25:34And by acknowledging that
25:39that duct tape on her mouth was disgusting,
25:42he is acknowledging that what he did was disgusting.
25:46He knows he's a disgusting person.
25:50Can you even call that kind of person?
25:52He's a disgusting monster at this point.
25:54He's not human.
25:56Normal human beings do not do this.
26:01I want him to finally admit
26:03that he's the one that murdered our mother.
26:06Stop the charade of he's innocent,
26:08this is a wrongful conviction.
26:10Acknowledge that you are the one
26:13that ambushed her on the front porch,
26:16knocked her out, dragged her into the garage,
26:19hit her with her car,
26:21and dumped her by that loading dock,
26:24and then just walked home like it was nothing.
26:29There were over a thousand pieces of evidence
26:33pointing to him committing this crime.
26:37It was blood on boots.
26:40It was her DNA, her blood in the washing machine.
26:43It was her DNA and blood on sponges in the sink.
26:47It was her DNA and blood just everywhere.
26:51Everywhere.
26:52I mean, deep down, he knows he's guilty.
26:55Will he ever admit it?
26:57I don't know.
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27:25Jimmy, how long have you been on death row?
27:27I've been on death row for eight years.
27:30Why did you decide to do this interview?
27:33I decided to do this interview
27:35because there's a lot of stuff out there
27:38that's false and negative and lies.
27:43The Ohio Supreme Court in 2016 denied your appeal, correct?
27:48Correct.
27:49They denied my appeal
27:50based on overwhelming evidence of guilt.
27:52Do you not respect the Ohio Supreme Court's decision?
27:56Not at all.
27:57I didn't do this.
27:58I never had anything to do with my mother's murder.
28:01Period.
28:02Basically, everything that's been written
28:04about this entire case from day one
28:06has been a lie and false information.
28:09That's a pretty bold statement.
28:11It's true.
28:12♪♪♪♪♪
28:17Do you have good memories with your sister?
28:21Sometimes.
28:22Some memories are good.
28:25She said she didn't have any good memories of you, though.
28:28How do you respond to that?
28:30I had no response.
28:32She talked about some things in your childhood
28:34and a couple of stories that came up
28:36that I do want to ask you about.
28:38When you were...
28:39I'm going to save you the time.
28:41I did not want to talk about anything that Jennifer said.
28:44Period.
28:45I'm trying to understand
28:46why you're so defensive against what your sister says.
28:48I'm giving you a chance to defend what she has said about you.
28:52So why won't you try to defend yourself?
28:54This interview needs to be about facts,
28:57not any stories or stuff from the past.
29:00Those are true facts to her.
29:03I'm not going to talk about anything Jennifer said.
29:06Okay, well, take me through the events that happened
29:08the night your mom didn't come home.
29:11♪♪♪♪♪♪
29:15So I got home from my girlfriend's around 10, 30, 11,
29:18in that range.
29:21I talked to my mom on the phone at 11, 14,
29:24told her roads were already bad,
29:25be careful, call me if you have any problems.
29:28I went upstairs, turned on SportsCenter,
29:35and fell asleep at some point.
29:38I can't tell you the exact time I woke up
29:40because I don't know.
29:43I know I woke up and I saw I had a missed call
29:45from my mom at 11, 51 p.m.
29:48After that, I drove up to 150th
29:51and then came back down south on 71
29:54and got off at Route 82 in Strongsville.
29:58Where were you going?
30:00I drove the way I thought she would have come home from work
30:05to see if I could have seen her car.
30:13Did you call her cell phone?
30:15I didn't call.
30:18I don't know why or what made me or whatever,
30:24but I forgot my phone at the house before I left.
30:31I didn't even realize it until I was getting on 71.
30:34But before you left the house,
30:35why wouldn't you just call her phone
30:36and ask why she's not home?
30:39I can't tell you that answer.
30:41That's what most people would do.
30:43Somebody's not home, you call them.
30:45I can't tell you that answer.
30:46I don't know.
30:47Did you call her work?
30:49I did not call her work.
30:51My sister ended up calling her work.
31:00This doesn't make sense.
31:01I'm just, I don't understand the process
31:04of why you weren't calling.
31:07When I got home, I called her, her phone.
31:13I can't tell you why I didn't do it.
31:15I can't tell you any of those answers.
31:26All right, the boots, I'm going to say it again,
31:28they were never even mine.
31:30They were my dad's hunting boots.
31:32If I ever did wear them, it was very rare.
31:35My mom would slip those on
31:36and go get the newspaper or the mail.
31:38There was supposedly seven drops of blood on the boots.
31:43And ironically, they only used one swab
31:46to test all seven spots.
31:49So we don't even know if it was actually blood
31:53or if it was a mixture or whatever.
31:57But you did wear the boots?
32:02Maybe on rare occasions.
32:03I wore them once or twice.
32:05They did find them in your room, right?
32:07I guess.
32:08I know they said they found them there.
32:10I also know they said a lot of things.
32:12It is a hard time believing that all these people
32:15get up and testify and lie.
32:17Yeah, me too.
32:24The police focused on me from the first minute.
32:28And everything that they found or thought or whatever,
32:33no matter if it pointed somewhere else or not,
32:36they figured out a way for it to point at me.
32:39I can't tell you why people lied.
32:41I can't tell you why they did what they did.
32:43There's a video of you buying duct tape at Home Depot.
32:47That doesn't lie.
32:48I bought the items at Home Depot
32:50because I was going to try to finish the baseboards
32:52in my mom's kitchen before Thanksgiving.
32:55I understand the duct tape that was found
32:58around your mother's neck was the same duct tape
33:01that you purchased at Home Depot.
33:04That's what they testified to.
33:05They testified that it was supposedly the same duct tape
33:09that was around my mom's neck that I purchased at Home Depot.
33:14But it's not necessarily the same kind.
33:23The glove prints matched the blood prints in the SUV, correct?
33:29No.
33:30The fingers on the gloves were smooth.
33:32There was no ridge detail on those.
33:34The blood prints or whatever you want to call them
33:37on the inside of the SUV,
33:39there's ridge detail from the fingers.
33:41It's not those gloves.
33:42The experts that testified said they were the same type of gloves.
33:46Yeah.
33:47That's a very big coincidence.
33:48Duct tape, the same gloves that are the same.
33:50It doesn't look good.
33:51I'm saying again, our expert,
33:54there's no ridge detail on the fingers.
33:56It's smooth.
33:57So it's not the same gloves.
33:59So more lies?
34:01More something.
34:11I'm very surprised that he agreed to an interview.
34:14Thank you, Jimmy.
34:15But at the same time,
34:16I don't think that he can help himself from talking.
34:20And he's looking for any source to proclaim his innocence to.
34:25How do you expect Jimmy to answer my questions during the interview?
34:30He's always just lied.
34:31Let's just put it that way.
34:32Everything he's ever said is a lie.
34:47So if there was blood on the boots,
34:49regardless of the sample that was taken,
34:51why would there have been blood on the boots anyway?
34:54I have no idea.
34:56I do know that my mom,
34:59probably eight months prior,
35:02slip and fell in the garage while she was wearing those boots.
35:05And I also know my mom had nosebleeds.
35:07But I have no idea how or why or where the blood came from.
35:15No, she did not have any nosebleeds.
35:18She did not have an issue with bloody noses
35:21that I was aware of as her daughter.
35:23So that's news to me.
35:25But at the same time,
35:27that would have been a lot of blood to lose
35:29to get it everywhere that it had gone.
35:32So according to him, she had worn the boots,
35:36had the bloody nose,
35:37went and did laundry,
35:39went and did dishes,
35:41went in other areas of the house
35:43all while her nose is profusely bleeding.
35:45It just doesn't make any sense at all.
35:48It just blows my mind that he wants to continue just to lie
35:52over and over again.
35:56♪♪♪
36:01Were you angry with your mom for any reason before she died?
36:05No, I was not angry with my mom.
36:08Did you have any heated arguments?
36:10Did you ever yell at her?
36:15We never had any heated arguments.
36:18We had disputes and disagreements,
36:22just like every family member does.
36:26But no, I did not ever get extremely angry
36:30or violent or any of that towards my mom.
36:36Did you ever put your hands on your mother?
36:38No, I did not put my hands on my mother.
36:40Your girlfriend testified that you did that one time.
36:43Yeah, and I don't know why she did that.
36:46There are plenty of stories that say otherwise,
36:49including neighbors that saw him yelling, screaming at her,
36:54calling her inappropriate names
36:56that you should not call your mother.
36:58And then, you know, there's the girlfriend.
37:00And then there's the fact that, you know,
37:02he's laid his hands on me.
37:04So there's plenty of people and plenty of evidence
37:07that proves otherwise.
37:09What about Jennifer?
37:11Have you ever attacked her in any way,
37:13put your hands on your sister?
37:15No, I did not put my hands on my sister in any way, shape, or form.
37:17Ever. Never.
37:19Never did I ever put my hands on my sister or my mother.
37:24That's interesting.
37:26That's really interesting. Wow.
37:29If he's saying he's never laid his hands on me,
37:31he's never gotten aggressive with me, and he definitely has,
37:34then he's definitely laid his hands on my mother
37:36and he's definitely got aggressive with her
37:38because he's lying about that.
37:41And there's proof that he's lying about that.
37:44Oh, he's absolutely lying.
37:46Everything he says that's coming out of his mouth is a lie.
37:51This is a fact.
37:52We know you were stealing from your parents.
37:54Correct.
37:55I opened a credit card in my dad's name.
37:57Correct.
37:58Okay.
37:59And you had done that more than once
38:01with cashing checks on your mom's accounts.
38:04Correct.
38:05Okay.
38:06Which I admitted to.
38:07Right.
38:08Why would you do that?
38:11Because I was an idiot.
38:14That's why.
38:15I was an idiot.
38:16But I don't want to talk about anything else besides this
38:21and what happened to my mom.
38:23What's your theory of what happened to her?
38:26I have no theory on what happened to her.
38:28Jimmy, come on.
38:29You've been here for how many years now?
38:30You sit in your cell and you think about this every day.
38:33My attorneys have a theory that they put it in a petition.
38:38What was the theory?
38:40They think she was abducted while she was leaving work
38:43by two or more people.
38:45I do know that she did not die or get attacked at the house.
38:50I do know that for a fact because she was never there.
38:55None of it makes sense.
38:57I mean, he did say one thing correctly.
39:02He did say he was an idiot.
39:06But, I mean, in reality,
39:08the fact that he doesn't want to even talk about it.
39:14The reason why he doesn't want to talk about it
39:16is because then he'd have to remember what happened.
39:19Everything about this murder screams Jimmy.
39:23And the overwhelming amount of evidence that is there
39:28is there because of his lazy mindset.
39:32He was lazy.
39:33He was stupid.
39:36And that was his M.O. his entire life.
39:38But in reality, when you look at his eyes,
39:40you can just see the evil.
39:42You can just feel it.
39:44Do you have a photo of your mom?
39:46No, I do not.
39:47Would you like to see a photo of your mom?
39:49I've seen plenty of photos of my mom.
39:51This is the one that she has given us.
39:54I remember when that one was taken.
39:56When was it taken?
39:57I'm not talking about this anymore.
40:00Does he deserve the death penalty?
40:03I believe that anyone who's capable of committing murder,
40:09let alone murdering your own mother,
40:12deserves the death penalty.
40:14Because what sadistic person goes and gets a tattoo
40:18dedicated to the person they murdered
40:21when they know they did it?
40:24I wish that he was able to wake up
40:28and come out of his delusional mindset
40:32and realize what he's done.
40:34That's what I wish for.
40:36Would you want to be there when he's executed?
40:40I would absolutely not want to be there when he's executed.
40:44Why not?
40:45I want him to be alone.
40:49Why not?
40:50I want him to be alone.
40:53I want him to go out alone,
40:55like he left her alone in a car
40:59and just walked away from it after he had murdered her.
41:04He deserves to be alone.
41:14My dad is a completely different person
41:16than he was when he committed the crimes.
41:18He's a better person.
41:19I want to know what's the real reason
41:22that you killed your parents.
41:24Tell her to grow up. Tell her that.
41:26Stop being a coward.
41:27Answer your phone and ask me yourself.
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