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00:00:30Poltergeist
00:00:43The word conjures up images of satanic demons and mischievous ghosts
00:00:50For thousands of years people have told tales of such spirits
00:00:55But what exactly is a poltergeist?
00:00:58Is it a ghost?
00:01:00Or is it the manifestation of a living person's psychic energy?
00:01:05Those who say they have encountered poltergeist find the answers elusive and the questions haunting
00:01:15Stories span from a quaint New England Inn to a farm in the mountains of Oregon
00:01:20where poltergeist captivate witnesses with noisy disturbances and
00:01:25Physical activity
00:01:29Patrons of a country music bar in Kentucky wonder if poltergeists are malevolent forces influenced by murder
00:01:39While a scientist refuses to let fear stand between him and the true origins of poltergeist activity
00:01:47Perhaps there are earthly explanations for poltergeist events
00:01:52But to those who have witnessed these unnerving phenomena, they remain strange
00:01:58sometimes terrifying and
00:02:00completely unexplained
00:02:07John Stone's Inn lies in the countryside village of Ashland, Massachusetts
00:02:1230 miles southwest of Boston. It appears to be home to poltergeist
00:02:17Noises and movements that some think are caused by ghosts
00:02:22It was here in March of 1976 that Robin Hicks view of the world changed forever
00:02:28The Inn's attic used to contain apartments where Robin spent nights with his wife on this night
00:02:35They heard strange noises
00:02:38And it was a little girl bouncing a ball
00:02:41La la la la la la la la la la
00:02:46down the hall and I ran out the door down the stairs and all around the building and
00:02:51Checked every door and it was closed a couple of days later a friend of mine who was walking by said
00:02:56Did you have is your niece here the other night?
00:03:00And I said no I said well, I saw a little girl looking out your window
00:03:04Robbins was not the only account of the mysterious appearance of a little girl
00:03:09They used to talk about the little girl who danced and
00:03:12You'd come in in the morning and it's an old building. So you'd hear things and you'd think you know, it's creaking
00:03:18I mean normally that's what you would think. Well this one day it wasn't creaking
00:03:22I don't think so. It was like really
00:03:26Like that you'd listen and you'd say what is that? I guess it was a little girl dancing upstairs
00:03:33The Inns owner at the time was beginning renovations
00:03:36He noticed that doors locked the night before were found open the next morning and
00:03:43Lights turned off were later seen blazing in the dark
00:03:47His staff was also encountering strange forces one night after a busy night
00:03:52all the waitresses was sitting around the table and I was with them and they were counting their tips and
00:03:58Getting ready to go home and the floors in the in the end Creek
00:04:04Quite readily, especially when it's real quiet
00:04:07You can hear it
00:04:08and so when someone walks by you you can hear the creek and you get a little breeze that goes by and
00:04:14we had that experience, but there was no one else in the restaurant, but us and
00:04:20They quickly gathered up their money and left that night
00:04:24The staff at Johnstone's Inn began sharing their eerie stories of portentous encounters
00:04:31My car was parked over there where that truck is parked
00:04:36And I walked this way and I glanced back up at the building just to see if there was anybody around
00:04:41and I looked up at that window on the left-hand side and I saw that greenish white ball of light and
00:04:47I went over to my car and then drove up here get out and glanced back up at the window saw the light again
00:04:53And then the light disappeared and the room was dark
00:04:57Some staff members claimed to have had startling physical encounters with the spirit
00:05:04Kitchen workers were relaxing one night when an unseen force
00:05:08Startled them by levitating a pack of cigarettes and propelling it across the table
00:05:14similar stories of playful poltergeist began to flourish
00:05:18stories of lively forces mischievously pushing waitstaff in the basement of
00:05:23the sounds of footsteps
00:05:27Extinguished candles inexplicably relighting and of the incessant strange apparitions
00:05:34We would always close off this one particular room at one point in the night and in that room
00:05:40I saw something go by the window and it wasn't
00:05:43blurry or fuzzy or sheer as you would imagine a ghost to be so I flung open the door and I said
00:05:51To what I thought would be a human. Hey, what are you still doing in and before I could finish my sentence?
00:05:57I noticed there was nobody in there and
00:06:00Unfortunately, I spun on my heel and got out of the room rather than enter it because I know it's a friendly ghost
00:06:06Not everyone would assume that the ghosts here were friendly
00:06:10The inns history well known in the area is steeped in murder and deception
00:06:16Captain John Stone built the inn in
00:06:191832 his patrons were young railway workers with little else to do except drink and gamble
00:06:25This often led to violence and legend has it that stone himself
00:06:30Killed the traveling salesman during a card game and buried his body in the basement
00:06:36Stone and the salesman are said to be two of the spirits who have haunted the inn ever since
00:06:43The inn has seen its share of tragedies
00:06:46Including the deaths of two people who were killed on the nearby railroad tracks
00:06:51One a former manager and the other a little girl both of whom are said to be haunting the inn
00:06:59You know, so just call them ghosts
00:07:01I kind of I feel like I understand them a little bit more and I also understand that they're very
00:07:07Dangerous we used to take them very lightly because we didn't understand what they were before and we had a lot of fun with them
00:07:14but now I think of them in a more serious nature and that
00:07:19They're they really shouldn't be fooled with they're very powerful and very dangerous things
00:07:25spiritualist Raphael Bibbo
00:07:27Intimately familiar with the inns history and structure feels that the sheer number of reports of poltergeist at the inn are enough
00:07:35Evidence to conclude that paranormal activity is present
00:07:39and with so many
00:07:41people who have had these
00:07:43experiences one cannot say that 75% of the public is paranoid or has some got some problems of them because
00:07:50There are a lot of credible people who have experienced felt seen touched
00:07:54And so you have to go on that basis that something must exist. Something has to just
00:08:02Unlike the apparitions associated with hauntings
00:08:06Poltergeists are phenomena involving real-life physical activity is the building itself a source of these activities
00:08:13the in the thing that first caught me right off was that it's only about a
00:08:1850 or 100 feet away from the from the railroad tracks and that's gonna cause some pretty serious shaking of that building
00:08:24Could the force of a passing train last long after the train has left?
00:08:29resulting in residual vibrations in the building
00:08:32Could these have a significant impact on old walls and floors
00:08:37resulting in unexpected sounds and movements when there is movement between
00:08:43Beam and a post for example, it will make a noise
00:08:47also as it expands and contracts the boards sitting on top of the
00:08:52beams
00:08:54Will creak they'll make noises
00:08:57They'll be noises like clunks and bangs and things like that that can easily be
00:09:03translated as footsteps
00:09:06Local historians point out that there is nothing in their records
00:09:10Indicating any kind of paranormal reports at the end since it was built
00:09:14Well, you learn and stuff like this
00:09:16There's so much hearsay as far as the paranormal stuff know the there are no written records in town of anything unusual
00:09:24Except possibly we look research where a young girl was killed by the train
00:09:30That might be attributed to the ghost they talk about
00:09:34Most of the people who visit or work at the inn are aware of its history of alleged hauntings and poltergeists
00:09:42Are they simply?
00:09:43Misinterpreting a natural occurrence as a paranormal experience when you do a magic trick
00:09:49There there is one there is the way the trick goes
00:09:52In real life and then there's the way that the people remember it
00:09:56So when they remember something it's much better than it ever was
00:10:00When it was performed and it's the same type of thing. I believe with with sightings and
00:10:05Paranormal activity like that if you're if you're in a receptive state of mind already to begin with you will believe it
00:10:10You will look for things and make connections that may or may not be there
00:10:14Whether the poltergeists are real or not
00:10:18One thing is certain as long as the walls of John Stone's Inn stand the stories will never die
00:10:26Many experts on paranormal events agree that children and adolescents can be magnets for poltergeist activity
00:10:34Are children lightning rods for the paranormal?
00:10:38Frank and Jackie Walker raised their daughters Tara and Devin in a farmhouse in the Oregon Mountains
00:10:44The walkers home nestled in Kings Valley
00:10:48Lies on property once owned by its namesake
00:10:51Isaac King who was found shot to death in his barn in
00:10:551866 and
00:10:58There are three stories one of the newspaper announced that he'd shot himself
00:11:04But then another one said well
00:11:06No, it was an accident and then the third one is that he was murdered by members of his family
00:11:12No one knows no one will ever know
00:11:14Well known local legend has it that Kings ghost haunts the property on which the walkers now live as soon as they moved in
00:11:22Tara and Devin immediately felt they were not alone in their new home
00:11:27They sensed something immediately when we moved in
00:11:29I remember Tara and Devin Tara first telling me that she heard things she heard footsteps
00:11:35And I just said well, it's an older house
00:11:38We had a new home before and this is an older home and there are noises that are unexplainable sometimes in older homes
00:11:44But she said mom. I think this there's somebody here because I hear footsteps
00:11:49Devin seven years old at the time told her parents that she also sensed an unknown presence
00:11:56I just felt like someone was always watching me and like
00:12:01There I just noticed that doors were shutting no one was there things were creaking in the hall
00:12:06It was just kind of spooky and then all these other things started happening
00:12:10And I just felt that there was something there her older sister Tara
00:12:14Observed several strange events that led her to believe she and her family were surrounded by spirits
00:12:20And I guess the reason I believe in ghosts because we moved here is because of all the strange happenings that have occurred
00:12:26Doors slamming when no one's there voices in the hallway when no one's there
00:12:31Footsteps when no one's there stuff like that
00:12:34Frank and Jackie dismissed these tales concluding their daughters were anxious about their new surroundings
00:12:40Then one night the parents experienced something unusual
00:12:44During a dinner party a guest uttered the word ghost the TV came on the water faucet started up in the kitchen full blast
00:12:52And the cat food container was dumped in the middle of the utility room floor
00:12:57We talked about it later Frank and I and we decided that we'd better listen to our children
00:13:02The disruption seemed to be the work of an intelligent force with its own agenda
00:13:08I remember my mom she was getting mad at us because we were fighting over something. I can't remember what it was
00:13:15We were fighting over the TV controller
00:13:17Something my mom said go to your room
00:13:19And when we went there when I went there the door was locked to my room the hinges were inside the door
00:13:25There's no way anybody else locked it. My dad wasn't home
00:13:30The mischievous actions of the poltergeist seemed to reveal a pranky sense of humor
00:13:35One day Frank discovered that a critical document he needed for work was missing
00:13:40The walkers searched the home and office frantically until it turned up in a very unlikely spot
00:13:47It was stacked underneath two other boxes and lo and behold the report was on the top of that box
00:13:54And none of us had taken it over there the girls have their own separate drawing area
00:13:59There's no way they could have lifted the heavier boxes and inserted it. I had some angry words at that point
00:14:04I asked the spirit to please leave us alone and stop hiding things. I actually just came out and said whatever you are
00:14:11Please stop it
00:14:13Frank's outburst appears to have transformed the poltergeist activity from mischievous to helpful
00:14:20Suddenly it was opening the gate at the farm's entrance for approaching cars and
00:14:24Unlatching deadbolt locks on doors for Frank when he had forgotten his keys
00:14:30He asked my mom and my sister and me if we had opened it and we said no
00:14:35So we hope it's the ghost who answered it. We think it is
00:14:40still curious
00:14:42Frank and Jackie called on ghost hunters Dave Esther and Sharon Gill
00:14:47Dave and Sharon use an array of devices to collect evidence of the existence of ghosts. I
00:14:54Believe in ghosts because I've seen them. I've heard them. They're real you can measure you use physical instruments
00:15:00Scientific tests that can determine the mass
00:15:03There's energy presence
00:15:05Supernatural, it's not natural occurring. You can document it measure it
00:15:09Everybody thinks you need special equipment to do this and that's absolutely not true
00:15:15You can even use Polaroid I got a couple that had
00:15:20different
00:15:21sort of swirls miss
00:15:24Jackie has gotten
00:15:27Several like that as well, but that one particular day behind her daughter standing in the office
00:15:33There was a misty it almost looked like it distorted the center of the picture
00:15:39Dave and Sharon felt that the combination of photographic evidence
00:15:44Thermal readings and the first-hand accounts were proof that a spirit was present
00:15:50Because the idea of having a resident spirit was initially unsettling to the walkers Dave and Sharon talked
00:15:58Having spent years trying to quantify spirit activity and researching the history of paranormal outbursts
00:16:05Dave and Sharon understand the potential connection between poltergeist and adolescence
00:16:11Something the girls find both comforting and exciting
00:16:15According to the ghost hunters at least I think that's what they said is that kids can sense the entities better than grown-ups
00:16:26Is there truly a relationship between poltergeist activity and adolescent children
00:16:33the classic poltergeist is a
00:16:36Center of
00:16:39Funny physical happenings particularly object movements and
00:16:44Percussive sounds, you know raps and whatnot
00:16:47The center being round an individual often an adolescent, but not always
00:16:52It wouldn't be without parallel for a rather isolated family with several children to develop poltergeist phenomena
00:17:00Now whether the emotional state triggers it off at the beginning in some way
00:17:06And then when it happens adds to it and feeds backwards and forwards
00:17:09We don't know but the emotional state is in the person who's seeing the things around which they are happening
00:17:15I don't think it's got anything to do with spirits at all
00:17:19Poltergeist researchers feel that the emotional turmoil of adolescence can generate enough psychic energy to trigger poltergeist activity
00:17:28Psychologists argue that reports of poltergeist are simply people's misinterpretations of ambiguous situations
00:17:36Possibly what is being taken as a poltergeist may indeed be a prank in this case where you have little girls
00:17:42It seems to me that that they started as a prank and they may even have started after that started to believe in it themselves
00:17:49It's the kind of game that you play
00:17:51And you keep on doing it and you get to a point where you can't forget how it all started and it takes on a life
00:17:57Of its own
00:17:58Didn't seem unlikely that you might be able to convince your parents of the same phenomena that seems to be centered around adolescence
00:18:05Seems to reflect adolescence itself here. We have a little prankster things happening doors opening and closing
00:18:11Objects that should be in one place are found in another
00:18:14And we have to ask ourselves. Is this really the action of a ghost or more of the action of the adolescent?
00:18:19Another explanation is more mundane. The plumbing is noisy
00:18:23Old plumbing system is in particular but plumbing system. It's in general
00:18:29can transmit
00:18:31voices
00:18:32It is not unusual for people in
00:18:36Single family homes for people in one home to hear voices of their neighbors coming through a plumbing system
00:18:43There is also a scientific explanation for the strange way the walkers gate at the farm's entrance
00:18:50Occasionally opens when a car approaches it as the wind tries to go around a solid body like a car or a building
00:18:57Or something like that the wind sort of piles up behind it and as it tries to go around it speeds up
00:19:04so if you drive up to something like a gate the wind coming around the car will speed up and
00:19:11That can put more force on the gate and cause the gate to have the appearance of opening up
00:19:18automatically
00:19:19The walkers still believe they are at the center of paranormal activity and the girls for their part
00:19:26Strongly defend their beliefs. I would say
00:19:31If you think I'm nuts then you can come over to our house and you'll think you're nuts
00:19:40Love murder and betrayal
00:19:43major themes in country music are also the key ingredients to an ongoing series of
00:19:49Poltergeist reports at Bobby Mackey's music world a popular honky-tonk in Wilder, Kentucky
00:19:55across the river from Cincinnati, Ohio
00:20:01Country singer Bobby Mackey opened the club in
00:20:041978 his wife Janet pregnant at the time was apprehensive about the move
00:20:09When she first saw the building she sensed a malevolent force
00:20:13I
00:20:16Was hesitant about even wanted nightclub to begin with
00:20:19But when I saw that door open by itself, I really that freaked me out
00:20:25But when we got inside the lights kept coming on off by herself and I could hear people talking
00:20:32Shortly after the Mackey's began renovation of the club Janet claims. She was physically attacked by a ladder
00:20:39And here comes this ladder. It was like somebody walking
00:20:43Right toward me and then when I got almost right directly toward me in front of me
00:20:47start falling toward me and then when it did Carl grab me and jerked me out from under and it fell and
00:20:54If I hadn't stopped and done what I'd done got her out of the way that ladder had marshed up and actually tipped over
00:21:01by itself I
00:21:03Could not find an explanation for that. I know there was something evil here in the 1930s a woman named Johanna
00:21:10Committed suicide here after the murder of her lover a singer named Robert Randall
00:21:16Local folklore held that she haunted the building searching for her slain lover
00:21:22intrigued by all the reports of this evil presence author Doug Hensley began researching the Mackey story and
00:21:30discovered information about club owner Bobby Mackey
00:21:34Linking him to the ghost of Johanna
00:21:37When Bobby Mackey was born his mother named him Randy Mackey not Bobby Mackey Randy Mackey his baby book today
00:21:46Still says Randy's baby book on it. She suddenly changed his name to Robert Randall Mackey
00:21:52Janet Mackey was terrified that Johanna's ghost thought her husband was Robert Randall
00:21:58Reincarnated and that Johanna could be jealous enough to do harm to Janet
00:22:03While cleaning the upstairs apartment Janet heard voices telling her to get out of the building
00:22:09Then felt invisible hands push her to the top of the stairs
00:22:14so I
00:22:15Struggled pulled and struggled pulled and I've got loose from it got to the top of the steps
00:22:20And I was at the top of steps
00:22:22I was pushed down him and I grabbed the rail as much as I could going down because it was like says pregnant
00:22:28Protect myself and I fell flat down on the bottom looked up and I saw some kind of an image
00:22:34It couldn't tell it was really a person or what it was. I couldn't tell
00:22:38Carl Lawson used to reside in the upstairs apartment where Janet was allegedly attacked and he has his own
00:22:45Recollections of mysterious happenings during the time. He lived there
00:22:49We used to have a jukebox. We don't plug yet
00:22:53And I can remember on occasion being upstairs
00:22:57Almost sound asleep and this real old song anniversary waltz
00:23:02Come on
00:23:03And there's nobody in here and I come downstairs to check everything out
00:23:07The jukebox is unplugged, but I know what I heard upstairs
00:23:12Anniversary waltz. It was always that same song
00:23:16Despite the disturbing ordeals reported by Janet and Carl Bobby Mackey insisted
00:23:22That there were no such things as ghosts
00:23:25I had every time I had stuck into this place and I had to make it work and I didn't want any silly ghost
00:23:30Stories going around keeping people away from here. I wanted positive things not negative things and I was you know
00:23:38Country music is my life and I don't want to hear about no ghosts. Just be quiet
00:23:43Janet Mackey remained steadfast in her belief that something dangerous
00:23:48Lurked in the shadows of Bobby Mackey's music world when I was by myself
00:23:53That's why I was really really scared. But now I can feel near I can feel her tension around me
00:23:59I can feel her, you know her vibes
00:24:02And stuff like that. I can tell she's around somewhere
00:24:06And she doesn't want me around
00:24:08Inspired by Janet's obsession with the ghost every night Bobby performs his biggest country hit Johanna
00:24:18Johanna
00:24:28Johanna is not the only ghost said to be haunting the club
00:24:32One of northern Kentucky's most notorious murders took place near the site
00:24:38In 1896 two men Alonzo Walling and Scott Jackson killed Scott's pregnant girlfriend Pearl Bryan
00:24:47They allegedly buried Pearl's head in the basement
00:24:50Well, perhaps hoping it would be washed out through the drain and into the nearby Licking River
00:24:57Legend held that the ghosts of Alonzo Scott and Pearl could be heard walking and arguing throughout the club
00:25:07Bobby Mackey's chief of security thinks he once heard one of their arguments while investigating a possible burglary with a fellow officer
00:25:16Sensing voices coming from behind the stage. He moved in to see who was there
00:25:22So the officer on the left came got up on stage went through the door. I came to the right
00:25:29Went through the other door
00:25:31We checked there's no one behind that stage
00:25:36Ever vigilant for reports of the ghosts
00:25:40Larry was on duty at Mackey's one night when local resident Rich Lawson came to dance
00:25:45the night rich
00:25:47Unexpectedly became part of the legend
00:25:50So I was tightening my collar clips up to make sure they would not come off on a dance floor
00:25:54and I was just a humming and singing I was just
00:25:57Real hyper and real pride and ready to dance and a garbage can right beside the war space and was sitting there and it took
00:26:03Violently off and slammed right up against the petition wall of the commode and I turned around real violently, you know
00:26:08Wonder who's gaming with me? What's gonna happen?
00:26:11What rich saw shocked him there before him stood the image of a man
00:26:16Dressed in clothes from the turn of the century complete with handlebar mustache
00:26:22He never hit me never punched me or nothing, but the bathroom was so hot
00:26:26I was hot just trying to gasp for breath and I was trying to get out of this bathroom and I made it to
00:26:31the hallway in the bathroom and
00:26:34I just got so weak and I went completely unconscious
00:26:38Larry
00:26:39Hornsby heard the commotion and found riches near lifeless form on the floor when rich awoke. He was terrified
00:26:47He said he's seen a figure
00:26:51And
00:26:53Of a man
00:26:55wearing a big trench coat
00:26:58Like back in the old days a mustache
00:27:02When shown photos of Alonzo Walling rich recognized him as the man he had just seen
00:27:08Even more frightening he recognized the face of someone else in a photo of Alonzo and Scott's hanging on the gallows
00:27:16In 1897, there's a judge and a preacher. I
00:27:19Take my hat off. I resemble that preacher standing on the gallows holding the Bible
00:27:24Though rich continued to be haunted by his experience and he is aware of some kind of danger at Bobby Mackey's
00:27:32He refuses to back down. I got this feeling that the evil here wants me away
00:27:38I'm
00:27:40Intruding on them or something like that and they're trying to push me away
00:27:44I'm not gonna leave because I love country music and Bobby Mackey's a great country music singer and I'm a dance a holly
00:27:49I love to dance
00:27:51While rich thought he was a target of malicious intent
00:27:55Larry Hornsby felt it was his destiny to help save rich and the others at Bobby Mackey's from Alonzo's angry ghost
00:28:04So what I think what my theory is
00:28:08He wants me out of here
00:28:11He'll do anything possible to get me out of here
00:28:15But like I said, he was evil I'm good and we're battling each other
00:28:25Janet Mackey, however was certain that strange occurrences at Bobby Mackey's music world targeted her and her alone
00:28:33I think it's a personal thing. I really do nothing's ever happened to Bobby. Nothing's ever happened to my children. It's just me
00:28:41As far as family, you know
00:28:44Other people yeah, but I'm talking family. Nothing's happened to my girls. Nothing's happened to him. It's just happened to me
00:28:50So therefore I feel that they're just after me
00:28:54the regulars at Bobby Mackey's all felt that they were part of a struggle between good and evil and
00:29:00They turned to a psychic to confront the evil poltergeist
00:29:04When
00:29:06Confronted by poltergeist activity most people feel helpless and misunderstood
00:29:12for people at Bobby Mackey's music world in Wilder, Kentucky
00:29:15The battle had become intensely personal and they turned to a psychic for help. I
00:29:22Was born with psychic abilities and with the gift of healing I have clairvoyance
00:29:26Which means that I can see visions or images and I can hear spirit talking to me, which is clairaudience
00:29:34Bodine claims to have established contact with four major ghosts the two pregnant women Johanna and
00:29:41Pearl Bryan and pearls killers Alonzo Walling and Scott Jackson
00:29:47Echoes first visit was particularly unnerving for Janet Mackey. We were sitting in the casino room
00:29:54Which is now the ballroom and she looked at me and she goes
00:29:58I see Johanna behind you and I thought I would die
00:30:04I said now you gotta be kidding me, right? No
00:30:07She's standing right behind you
00:30:10Three years after that terrifying first visit echo is still able to converse with the ghosts at Bobby Mackey's
00:30:18We're gonna go talk to Scott and Pearl see if they'll go to
00:30:25And even if they don't I think you should just let Alonzo take you by the hand
00:30:30And take you over to the other side with him, okay
00:30:38I'm standing right over there Pearl. Listen to me. Listen to me. Nope. She won't
00:30:51Scott
00:30:54Can you listen
00:30:56Can you listen
00:30:59You guys do not have to stay here
00:31:03No, you do not have to stay here after these conversations
00:31:08Echo is drawn to the basement. Well, which according to local legend is a portal to hell
00:31:15You want to say there was weird things that happened in here to people women
00:31:22Not very good things
00:31:25A lot of real crazy thinking a lot of crazy behavior went on in here
00:31:31I'll believe that's like a vortex. I'll believe whatever
00:31:35Whatever evil comes from here. It comes right out of there from right from hell. I believe that's an entry point
00:31:41I believe that well was dug up
00:31:44We find a lot more
00:31:47you know evidence of a
00:31:49poltergeist type of activity
00:31:52In an effort to relieve the worried minds of the Mackey owners and patrons
00:31:57Echo tried to convince the ghost to leave the psychic claimed that to Johanna and Alonzo said they were willing
00:32:06Echo performed what she calls a cleansing claiming to
00:32:11It's the drunk kids that come back looking for a thrill night they have nothing to do
00:32:16So they oh, let's go to Amityville and find the house
00:32:22Long before gaining notoriety for its house of horrors Amityville was a community rich in history
00:32:30Will Rogers lived here
00:32:33Annie Oakley was here Goddard the great spaceflight engineer shot off the first rocket here even George, Washington
00:32:41Spent a day here supping as he said in his diary as he completed his tour of Long Island
00:32:48But
00:32:49for nearly three decades a certain house on Ocean Avenue has attracted more attention than any other landmark and
00:32:57Cast an ominous shadow over this otherwise idyllic coastal village
00:33:04This modern-day horror story has its origins in the history of Amityville and Ocean Avenue itself a
00:33:11History that dates back to the region's earliest settlers the Montauk it Indians
00:33:18Now according to legend the Indians once believed the land now known as Ocean Avenue to be a power spot
00:33:25Perhaps even an area infested by demons
00:33:30Tribal enemies or those said to be possessed by evil spirits were left to die on this land and then buried face down
00:33:38Cursed to stare for all eternity into the dark abode their spirit was sent to join
00:33:45Montauk it's believed there is good and there is evil
00:33:50The spirit is very movable and it can come and go and do a lot of things
00:33:56Jay Anson's the Amityville horror documents another legend about the Ocean Avenue property
00:34:02one dating back to the Salem witch trials of the late
00:34:051600s
00:34:06According to this account a man named John Ketchum after being forced out of Massachusetts for practicing witchcraft
00:34:13Set up residence on or near the spot of Amityville's famed house of horrors
00:34:19It is said that Ketchum continued his alleged devil worship
00:34:24Until his death and that his body may be buried somewhere on the property
00:34:31Early deeds do suggest that Ketchum may have existed
00:34:34But whether he fled from Salem or ever practiced witchcraft on the land cannot be verified
00:34:41We were never able to physically connect the Ketchum's who were burned at the stake in Salem, Massachusetts
00:34:50But it's very interesting that there's a Ketchum Street or a Ketchum place right in the immediate vicinity of the residence
00:34:58in about
00:34:591924 the house at 112 Ocean Avenue was built for John Moynihan and his family
00:35:05But what isn't commonly known is that this house which now stands just a couple of blocks away
00:35:11once occupied the famous Ocean Avenue lot a
00:35:15House built in 1782 which had been moved because of continuous problems
00:35:22With the people in the house, they moved out. They didn't stay very long
00:35:29Representatives for the Amityville Historical Society who refused to appear on camera
00:35:34Insist that the only reason the original house was picked up and moved was because mr.
00:35:39And mrs. Moynihan needed a larger house to accommodate their growing family not because of any paranormal
00:35:46disturbances
00:35:48But what of the house that stands on the lot today?
00:35:52coming back to
00:35:54112 Ocean Avenue
00:35:56Families that I found had resided in that dwelling place
00:36:01Appeared to have a calamity within each one
00:36:07It was a drowning off the bulkhead in the back
00:36:11in the summer of
00:36:131965 the house at 112 Ocean Avenue is sold to the de fails a close-knit Italian Catholic family
00:36:22it is a prosperous time for the city bred to fails a
00:36:26Prosperity evidenced by their move from a small Brooklyn apartment to the six-bedroom two-and-a-half story Dutch Colonial on Long
00:36:34Island's affluent South Shore
00:36:36the book high hopes the Amityville murders an
00:36:40In-depth examination of the de fail case based on interviews police records and sworn trial testimony
00:36:47Takes its title from the sign posted on the de fails front lawn. I
00:36:53Think they were more than middle-class
00:36:55And I'm sure when they moved from Brooklyn when they bought that house that they had high hopes
00:37:03The de fails have five children John Matthew
00:37:08Mark
00:37:11Allison
00:37:13dawn and
00:37:14Their eldest son Ronald jr. Better known as Ronnie or Butch
00:37:20Ronnie had a close relationship with his mother
00:37:24His relationship with his father. It was a love-hate relationship
00:37:28Mr. De fails way of showing love to his children
00:37:31Especially his eldest son Ronnie is by spoiling them with money and material things
00:37:38It would be nothing for his father to give him, you know a thousand dollars
00:37:42For him to spend he never really had to work
00:37:45He had a lot of jobs that he lost he wound up working in a car agency for the father, but he didn't have to I
00:37:52Think they thought that money would make the difference. Look how wonderful our life is, but it's not very wonderful
00:38:01Material excesses and family discord may not have been the only forces at work in the de fail home
00:38:08From the very beginning Ronald de fail jr. Senses that he is not alone in the house
00:38:14You start hearing noises of different things at night noise, you know, I can throw that somebody might be walking around pipes banging
00:38:23They were always saying somebody's in the house goes for
00:38:27Once in a while you'd hear screaming, but there wasn't nobody screaming
00:38:32according to trial testimony by
00:38:351973 the incidents of violence and abuse within the family begin to escalate
00:38:40Ronnie's mother was downstairs doing laundry, but the kids were making a tremendous fuss and
00:38:47She was yelling at the kids. The kids were yelling and the father kept yelling at her to shut up
00:38:52He wanted to eat his meal in peace and she comes up the stairs with a basket of laundry
00:39:01And the father walks over to the stairs and punches her in the face she falls down the stairs
00:39:08She closes the door and he says now we'll have some peace we can eat in peace and that scene for me
00:39:16Summed up what life must have been like in that house
00:39:21Desperate to escape his troubled home life
00:39:24Ronnie immerses himself in Long Island's South Shore bar scene and the early
00:39:301970s drug subculture
00:39:32He was a drug addict
00:39:341970s drug subculture. He was into heroin. He was big into speed
00:39:41He had used that he would take LSD
00:39:45So I think he was a very heavy user and he probably started very early
00:39:51As Ronnie spirals out of control one family argument nearly turns lethal
00:39:58All sorts of violence is going on Ronnie's sister doing and her father having a violent argument
00:40:05And so Ronnie's gonna settle the argument
00:40:09Picked up a shotgun. I knew the gun was better, you know
00:40:17And I said I wanted to kill him
00:40:27Gun didn't go off
00:40:30And it turns out there are bullets in the chamber
00:40:33But nothing happened so the father felt that was the wonderful miracle his son didn't kill him
00:40:42In a show of devotion
00:40:44Mr. DeFeo surrounds the house with religious statuary
00:40:48But is it divine intervention or something more sinister which impels the family to seek help from the Catholic Church?
00:40:57Mr. DeFeo went to st. Joseph's Shrine six months before he was murdered to bring back a priest
00:41:04Who would say the prayers of exorcism in his home?
00:41:10And from all the information I learned candles were toppling over doors were opening and closing
00:41:16From all the information I learned candles were toppling over doors were opening and closing a
00:41:27Letter from st. Joseph's oratory in Montreal Canada states that they have no official record of this incident
00:41:35When people asked mr. DeFeo why he had all these special holy statues
00:41:42Around his home. He said it's because I have a devil on my back
00:41:47But
00:41:48Was mr. DeFeo referring to the devil incarnate or to his deeply troubled son?
00:41:55Maybe it was fear. Maybe it's that is it possible that down deep they all loved each other
00:42:03Or that it's something he didn't want to face that a son could be capable of murder
00:42:09Whatever the source of their fear the DeFeo seemed to have an uncanny awareness of the terrible fate soon to befall them
00:42:18Lynn, Anna, which the housekeeper to the DeFeo family
00:42:22Stated to me on several occasions during the trial
00:42:26That mrs. DeFeo told her that there was gonna be a terrible tragedy occurring to her family
00:42:33Desperate to escape his tumultuous home life Ronnie moves out of the house on several occasions
00:42:51The problem was that mr. DeFeo used all his resources all his connections
00:42:56To go out searching for his son each time and dragged him back to the home
00:43:01This was just helping the volcano become more violent within Ronnie
00:43:08By the early days of November 1974 tensions in the household reach a breaking point
00:43:16Days before the murders he and his father had an argument
00:43:22Where his father referred to him as a devil it came close to blows Ronnie stormed out
00:43:29And you know you know to say if I don't get out of here I'm gonna kill all of you and he did
00:43:41November 13th 1974 while his family sleeps 23 year old Ronald DeFeo jr.
00:43:49Sits in a darkened room watching television the television program is watching
00:43:54Was an army movie called Castle Keep and in this picture the last 15 to 20 minutes
00:44:01Is complete destruction of the American and German troops
00:44:06Ronnie said that during this movie he heard his family members whispering
00:44:14And he thought will believe that they were conspiring to kill him
00:44:19At or about the end of the movie he said that a person with black hands appeared and gave him the rifle
00:44:30And he went ahead and he proceeded to shoot each member of his family
00:44:38No I shot my father first then I crossed all onto my mother
00:44:42No I shot my father first then I crossed all onto my mother
00:44:47After that I tell you honestly I couldn't stop if I wanted to I couldn't put the gun down
00:44:53So I felt somebody was inside moving me
00:44:57He went into a another room and shot his two younger brothers
00:45:05Then he went in and shot his younger sister
00:45:08And then he went upstairs and shot his older sister Dawn
00:45:17When it is over 6 members of the DeFeo family Ronald Sr, his wife Louise
00:45:24Daughters Dawn 18 and Allison 13
00:45:28And sons Mark 11 and John Matthew 9 lie slaughtered in their beds
00:45:34The following evening Ronnie himself reports the murders
00:45:39Citing his family's alleged mafia connections Ronnie is taken into protective custody
00:45:45Within hours however he confesses
00:45:48News of the tragedy spreads quickly leaving friends, family and the entire community devastated
00:45:55There was enormous shock I think it's still one of the things for which Long Island remains infamous
00:46:04At DeFeo's trial one year later defense attorney William Weber tries to prove
00:46:10That his client was legally insane at the time he committed the murders
00:46:14And therefore not responsible for his actions
00:46:17Ultimately the jury finds him sane and guilty
00:46:21Ultimately the jury finds him sane and guilty on all six counts of second degree murder
00:46:30Yet even as Ronald DeFeo Jr. serves six consecutive 25 year to life prison terms
00:46:36Several troubling mysteries about the murders remain
00:46:40To this day no one is certain how Ronald DeFeo Jr. killed his parents, two brothers and two sisters
00:46:47And nobody heard a thing how none of them even woke up
00:46:50Maybe they were drugged no that proved not to be true
00:46:53The next theory was that well he had a silencer on it
00:46:57That theory didn't hold water there would be some fragments of the silencer
00:47:04That would have been left on the crime scene
00:47:10Except for the DeFeo's dog barking nobody heard a thing
00:47:16Well how do six people get killed and there are no gunshots
00:47:21One possible explanation is offered by parapsychologist Hans Hoser
00:47:27When there is a strong psychic feel sound will be inhibited
00:47:34We know this from other cases because the electromagnetic field
00:47:38Which is representative of an entity of this kind
00:47:42Does interfere with the perception of sound and sound was not heard
00:47:47Others believe that the position of the six bodies
00:47:51Bears an eerie similarity to the local Indian legend
00:47:55Which holds that tribal enemies were buried face down
00:47:59An Indian curse some say may have driven Ronald DeFeo Jr. to murder
00:48:05Young DeFeo had always been very high strung and certainly given to psychic ability
00:48:12And it is not inconceivable that the influence of the house
00:48:17Were manifested gradually through him
00:48:20I think the entity tried to get him out of the house
00:48:23Because the house was on sacred ground
00:48:26Town officials and the local Indians themselves
00:48:30Dispute any notion of curses or sacred burial grounds
00:48:35Yet no matter what questions remain
00:48:37The village of Amityville will be forever linked with these tragic murders
00:48:42There isn't a day that goes by that I'm not asked questions relating to the DeFeo case
00:48:51This was a tragic incident that happened to a middle class family
00:48:58A family that could very well have been my neighbor, your neighbor, anyone else's neighbor
00:49:04So I think that's the essence here
00:49:07Is that this was an American family that was wiped out by the oldest son
00:49:13After Ronald DeFeo's trial and conviction
00:49:17The people of Amityville believed the horror was over
00:49:21It had just begun
00:49:27In the summer of 1975
00:49:29Newlyweds George and Kathleen Lutz begin house hunting on Long Island
00:49:34George, a 28-year-old ex-marine, runs his family's surveying firm
00:49:40Kathy, 30, has three children from a previous marriage
00:49:44Daniel, 10, Christopher, 7, and Melissa, 5
00:49:50Although the Lutzes have only a modest budget
00:49:53The real estate broker talks them into viewing a certain Dutch colonial
00:49:58Overlooking the water on upscale Ocean Avenue
00:50:02This is the first interview the Lutzes have granted in more than 20 years
00:50:07We first saw the house in the fall of 1975
00:50:11Went over with the broker
00:50:13She said, I wanted to show you what the other half of Amityville lived like
00:50:18Pulling up to it, she started to tell us things that the house had
00:50:22As far as the number of bedrooms
00:50:24When we walked in the house, Kathy looked around right from the foyer
00:50:28And just started smiling
00:50:30She really fell in love with the house, it was very obvious
00:50:34And we walked through, it had six bedrooms
00:50:37And a boathouse for our boat
00:50:39And a two-car garage and a heated pool
00:50:41And a basement on the water, which was very rare
00:50:44All the things that we talked about
00:50:45We found in one place
00:50:47For George and myself
00:50:49We could bring more things together within this marriage
00:50:53A new home, space for everybody
00:50:56Space for growth
00:50:58Only after George, Kathy, and the children fall in love with the house
00:51:03Does the broker mention its gruesome past
00:51:08And she explained to us about the DeFeo massacre
00:51:13And wanted to know if that would change our view on the house at all
00:51:18We discussed it among the five of us
00:51:21And there was no problem
00:51:24It was unfortunate that that had happened there
00:51:27It was reflected in the price, of course
00:51:30But we weren't superstitious
00:51:32Thinking that there was anything wrong that way
00:51:35There was a sign outside the front of the house when we first looked at it
00:51:39It said, High Hopes
00:51:41And when I look now, those same high hopes were within us
00:51:46On December 18th, 1975
00:51:49Thirteen months after the murders
00:51:52George and Kathy move in with their three children and the family dog, Harry
00:51:57A friend of George's, after learning of the house's tragic history
00:52:02Insists that he get it blessed by a Catholic priest
00:52:05Lutz, a Methodist, calls upon the only priest he knows
00:52:08Father Ralph Pecoraro
00:52:11I first met Father Ralph, which we came to know him as Father Ray
00:52:16When I was in the process of obtaining an annulment from my first marriage
00:52:21He and I became good friends
00:52:24On the same day the Lutzes are moving in
00:52:27Father Ray comes to bless the house
00:52:30I was blessing the sewing room
00:52:33It was cold, it was really cold in there
00:52:35And I thought, gee, this is peculiar
00:52:38Because it was a lovely day out
00:52:40It was winter, yes
00:52:42But it didn't account for that kind of coldness
00:52:46It wasn't until much later that we learned what it was
00:52:49That had happened to him while he was doing that
00:52:52He did stop us before leaving and say to us
00:52:56Not to spend too much time in that sewing room
00:53:00For some reason he felt uncomfortable there
00:53:02I was sprinkling holy water
00:53:05And I heard a rather deep voice behind me saying
00:53:08Get out
00:53:12It seemed so directed toward me
00:53:15I was really quite startled
00:53:18I felt a slap on the face
00:53:21I felt somebody slap me
00:53:24And there was nobody there
00:53:27Christmas 1975
00:53:29Christmas 1975
00:53:32For the Lutz family, the lovely house at 112 Ocean Avenue
00:53:36Is a dream come true
00:53:39But from the day they move in
00:53:41They begin to detect the house's strange sensations
00:53:45All homes have sounds that you need to come adjusted to
00:53:50Hollow water sounds
00:53:52The dishwasher in the middle of the night
00:53:55There's sounds that all homes have
00:53:59As the holidays draw to a close, however
00:54:02The sensations in the house grow increasingly ominous
00:54:07After the love of Christmas came down
00:54:10That's when the sounds in the house were different
00:54:14They weren't ones that I wanted to become familiar with
00:54:18It changed
00:54:21There wasn't the warm glow anymore
00:54:24Now there was a blade
00:54:27There was a scraping
00:54:31And there was a banging
00:54:38The children who had been anticipating a holiday
00:54:42Were now anticipating different things
00:54:45That brought a fear onto their face
00:54:50We each saw things so drastically different
00:54:53Than the person right next to us
00:54:56That it was very hard for us to communicate
00:54:59Even as a family
00:55:01When I look back sometimes
00:55:03I describe it like a three ring circus
00:55:06Each one being in their own room
00:55:09Or their own area of the house
00:55:11Experiencing for themselves
00:55:14Something different than what the other person was
00:55:17George is attacked by a sensation of intense cold
00:55:22He compulsively builds fires in the living room fireplace
00:55:26To keep it warm enough
00:55:28He became obsessed with how much firewood there was
00:55:33And would there be enough to keep burning
00:55:36That he would be continually going about the fireplace
00:55:40Checking the fire
00:55:42Fights break out between the normally loving family members
00:55:46Slowly, each of their personalities begins to change
00:55:51In the ensuing days
00:55:52The family is subjected to a series of strange and inexplicable events
00:55:58Extreme fluctuations in temperature
00:56:01The sickening scent of old perfume
00:56:04Recurring black stains on the bathroom fixtures
00:56:09And an infestation of flies in the dead of winter
00:56:13When we first looked at the house
00:56:16The very first time
00:56:18We noticed no flies anywhere in the house
00:56:19Especially when you think back now
00:56:21They were limited
00:56:23In particular to the sewing room second floor
00:56:25Same bedroom that
00:56:27Father Ray had asked us not to use as a bedroom
00:56:31The longer we were in the house
00:56:33The more flies there were in that room
00:56:35I don't have an explanation for how or why
00:56:39But that's where they were
00:56:42As the days wear on
00:56:44Other strange discoveries fuel the Lutz's mounting sense of unease
00:56:49I was down in the basement one afternoon
00:56:52And there was a particular shelving area
00:56:56That I really wanted to relocate
00:56:59And it looked like a portable
00:57:01So I moved it
00:57:03And much to my surprise
00:57:06There was a small room behind it
00:57:09And it was painted a red
00:57:14We keep calling it a room
00:57:16But we don't know what else to call it
00:57:17It was a very small space
00:57:19The fact that it was red
00:57:21And that it had an odor was the disturbing part
00:57:23Then when Harry, our black lab
00:57:27Wouldn't go near the room
00:57:29Cowered away from it
00:57:31That was more disturbing
00:57:33This red room was not in the original house plans
00:57:37Who built it?
00:57:39Why was it hidden?
00:57:41Soon the Lutz's puzzlement turns to abject terror
00:57:43Night after night
00:57:45George is snapped awake at 3.15 a.m.
00:57:48The established time of the murders
00:57:53While Kathy is plagued by nightmares
00:57:56In which she relives the horror of the DeFeo tragedy
00:58:04There was one that was very vivid
00:58:07In where I experienced
00:58:09Where the bullets went in and out
00:58:12Of Mrs. DeFeo's body
00:58:15And I was able to determine
00:58:17Who died in what order
00:58:20Later on when we met with William Weber
00:58:24Who was the attorney for Ronald DeFeo
00:58:27And he confirmed what the police had found
00:58:30And they had never published
00:58:32Where the bullets went in and out of the body
00:58:37George becomes disturbed at the way
00:58:38His wife and children begin sleeping in their beds
00:58:42The same position as the murdered DeFeos
00:58:46I would not sleep on my stomach
00:58:48Everyone else did
00:58:50None of us ever slept on our stomachs
00:58:52Before moving in the house
00:58:54We later came to believe
00:58:56That's the position the bodies were in
00:58:58Slowly but inexorably
00:59:00The influence spreads to the children
00:59:02In particular, five-year-old Missy
00:59:04Who boasts about her new imaginary playmate
00:59:06Jody
00:59:08I recall one morning
00:59:10I was in the kitchen
00:59:12And Melissa came in
00:59:14And she said to me
00:59:16Mommy, do angels talk?
00:59:19And I said
00:59:21Yeah, I think so
00:59:24Why?
00:59:26And she said
00:59:28Well, I think I have an angel in my room
00:59:32Missy described it as
00:59:34A pig
00:59:36That had the ability to be
00:59:38Very big or very small
00:59:40Invisible or visible
00:59:42But Missy would say things about it
00:59:45That it said
00:59:47That you knew she couldn't make up on her own
00:59:50One of the most uncomfortable statements
00:59:53That Jody made was
00:59:55You will always live here
00:59:57That's not something that makes you comfortable
01:00:00To hear your child's invisible friend
01:00:03Saying that
01:00:05George and Kathy dismiss the stories
01:00:08Of their daughter's invisible friend
01:00:10Until Jody makes its presence known to them
01:00:14I saw eyes looking down at me
01:00:19From Missy's bedroom window
01:00:21When I would be coming back
01:00:23From the boathouse at night
01:00:25I would run into the house
01:00:27Run upstairs and there'd be nothing there
01:00:29There would be times
01:00:31That Missy would be sitting on her bed
01:00:32Talking and you'd walk past
01:00:34You'd see the rocking chair moving
01:00:36But Missy was on the bed
01:00:38There were a couple of times
01:00:40That we saw eyes from the outside
01:00:44Looking into the house
01:00:47There were tracks in the snow
01:00:50That were made by something with a cloven hook
01:00:54During the first two weeks of January 1976
01:00:58A series of terrifying
01:01:00And mind-numbing events
01:01:02Finally convince the Lutzes
01:01:04That some evil force
01:01:06Is residing in their house
01:01:08How do you explain an odor
01:01:10That all of a sudden appears
01:01:12Or a cold spot in a room
01:01:14That you walk through
01:01:16The cold is not there anymore
01:01:18Or the front door slamming
01:01:20And you go running down
01:01:22And the door's still locked
01:01:24But you heard it happen
01:01:26Desperate to rid their home
01:01:28Of the diabolical presence
01:01:30The Lutzes are advised by a friend
01:01:32To leave the house
01:01:34And then go from room to room
01:01:36Reciting the Lord's Prayer
01:01:38It sounded like a solution to us
01:01:40We did the same thing
01:01:42When we did that
01:01:45We heard a chorus of voices
01:01:48Say to us
01:01:50Will you stop?
01:01:55I believe that's one of the things
01:01:57That we did
01:01:59That
01:02:01Caused the
01:02:03Presence there
01:02:05To become less than
01:02:07Happy with us
01:02:10Not until sunrise
01:02:12Does the family dare fall asleep
01:02:14Unaware that their battle
01:02:16With the supernatural
01:02:18Has just begun
01:02:21After failing to cast
01:02:23The evil presence
01:02:25Out of the house on Ocean Avenue
01:02:27The Lutzes attempt to seek help
01:02:28From Father Ray
01:02:30The Catholic priest
01:02:32Who first came to bless the house
01:02:34But find their efforts
01:02:36To reach him thwarted
01:02:38By some unknown force
01:02:40Anytime I would attempt
01:02:42That call or contact
01:02:44He would want
01:02:46Interference on the phone
01:02:48There were times when
01:02:50Father Ray would attempt
01:02:52To call us
01:02:54And the connection again
01:02:56Would be broken up with static
01:02:58Father Ray told the story
01:03:00Of sitting in the Chancellor's office
01:03:02And just discussing
01:03:04The possibility of helping
01:03:06Us in some way
01:03:08And hearing the heat
01:03:10Come up in the pipes
01:03:12In the radiators
01:03:14And the incredible chill
01:03:16Cold
01:03:18That came into the room
01:03:20And he said all we were doing
01:03:22Was discussing it
01:03:24And this started happening
01:03:26After again attempting
01:03:28To experience a night of horror
01:03:30They say they will never forget
01:03:32The last night
01:03:34They would ever spend
01:03:36In the house
01:03:38Never do the Lutzes discuss
01:03:40The specific events of that night
01:03:42The memory they say
01:03:44Is still too disturbing
01:03:46We left to the house
01:03:48Because the house became uninhabitable
01:03:50As far as we were concerned
01:03:52There was no reason to stay there anymore
01:03:54There were too many things
01:03:56Happening too often
01:03:58The events are not something
01:04:00That we try to sit down
01:04:02And explain to anyone else
01:04:04That's why the book was done
01:04:06So that's not something
01:04:08That we have to go through anymore
01:04:10To describe fear
01:04:12And the depth of what fear
01:04:14Can do within you
01:04:16Is hard to verbalize
01:04:18To describe evil
01:04:20Which has no boundary
01:04:22Is hard to present
01:04:29But this is what the family
01:04:31Was experiencing that night
01:04:33Each one
01:04:35With the degree
01:04:37That they could handle
01:04:39The sense for our very lives
01:04:41Was there
01:04:43And we chose to go
01:04:59On January 14, 1976
01:05:0228 days after moving in
01:05:04The Lutzes flee
01:05:06112 Ocean Avenue
01:05:08Abandoning the house
01:05:10And everything they own
01:05:12Despite the certainty
01:05:14Of a huge financial loss
01:05:16George and Kathy decide
01:05:18To leave the house
01:05:20And go back to their home
01:05:22But the Lutzes
01:05:24Don't want to leave
01:05:25Despite the huge financial loss
01:05:27George and Kathy
01:05:29Decide to return the house
01:05:31To the bank
01:05:33And sell all of their
01:05:35Personal belongings at auction
01:05:37We couldn't eradicate
01:05:39That which was there
01:05:41And didn't want to be
01:05:43Responsible for passing it on
01:05:45We bought the house
01:05:47For $80,000
01:05:49It had a mortgage of $60,000
01:05:51We had put another $4,000
01:05:53Or so down at the closing
01:05:55Pense of the house
01:05:57I think we netted $1,600
01:05:59Something like that
01:06:01From the sale
01:06:03We moved to California
01:06:05And we started over
01:06:07One of the instructions
01:06:09We received
01:06:11Was that there was one item
01:06:13That we could take out
01:06:15But anything else
01:06:17Would not have been healthy
01:06:19For us
01:06:21The one item that we had
01:06:23Was a large cedar box
01:06:25With some of the children's
01:06:27Baby pictures
01:06:30That's about the only item
01:06:32We came out with
01:06:35Although the Lutzes
01:06:37May have escaped Amityville
01:06:39They cannot escape
01:06:41The onslaught of publicity
01:06:43That follows them to California
01:06:45When we left the house
01:06:47We sat down and did a series
01:06:49Of tapes for self-help
01:06:51And we just talked about
01:06:53Everything we could possibly
01:06:55And that eventually became
01:06:57The Amityville Horror, the book
01:06:59The movie on the other hand
01:07:01Was a work of Hollywood
01:07:04In the midst of all the media hype
01:07:06Surrounding their story
01:07:08The Lutzes claim the evil forces
01:07:10Continued to haunt them
01:07:12For many years
01:07:14Until help came from the exorcist
01:07:16For the Archbishop of Canterbury
01:07:18He performed a rite
01:07:20In his church
01:07:22That helped us
01:07:23Continue our lives
01:07:25There came a point
01:07:27When we said we have to
01:07:29Stop blaming things that aren't right
01:07:31Or going right in our lives
01:07:33On the house
01:07:35But as time went on
01:07:37It was like a half-life
01:07:39It just slowly went away
01:07:41Until today really doesn't exist
01:07:43George and Kathy
01:07:45Who are now divorced
01:07:47Maintain that their experiences
01:07:49In Amityville
01:07:51Have had the most lasting impact
01:07:53On their lives through Amityville
01:07:55It's not the story
01:07:57Of one person gone from
01:07:59It's the story of a family
01:08:01Five members
01:08:03Each one coming
01:08:05With what affected them
01:08:07And bringing it in
01:08:09I think what we lost there
01:08:11Was the people that
01:08:13We had been
01:08:15Prior to moving in
01:08:17The children in particular
01:08:19Their life
01:08:21Was so dramatically touched
01:08:23By what they experienced there
01:08:25So you could
01:08:27You could retrieve some things
01:08:29But you couldn't retrieve that
01:08:31That portion of your life
01:08:33Prior to
01:08:35But what of the supernatural forces
01:08:37That drove the family
01:08:39Out of 112 Ocean Avenue
01:08:41What exactly were they
01:08:43And why did they seem
01:08:45To only affect the Lutzes?
01:08:47When we moved into the house
01:08:49We were practicing
01:08:51Transcendental meditation
01:08:53And we brought
01:08:55The mind
01:08:57And the spirit
01:08:59To other things
01:09:01And brought about
01:09:03A sharpened sensitivity
01:09:05And I think we opened
01:09:07Ourselves up to it
01:09:09I think that whatever was there
01:09:11Was very intelligent
01:09:13Very impatient
01:09:15I think its abilities
01:09:17Are far more
01:09:19Powerful than
01:09:21We really understand
01:09:23No evil from
01:09:25Experiencing it
01:09:27I would say it was demonic
01:09:29It took a dream
01:09:31And it shattered it
01:09:33It took innocence
01:09:35And it destroyed it
01:09:37And it was out for
01:09:39Life itself
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