The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 2
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00:00Years of probation, it has been a challenge
00:05going from the scandal to relationship,
00:07to miscarriage, to arrest, to being pregnant again.
00:14Let's talk about your pregnancy.
00:16Okay.
00:17Did you and Dakota make a decision together?
00:20After I was arrested, Dakota and I like,
00:23we actually never broke up.
00:24We stayed in our relationship
00:25and I think we wanted it to be honest.
00:27It might not be the smartest decision in our situation.
00:30It wasn't, but it is what it is.
00:35This place is so cute.
00:37I wanna get a little drinky drink.
00:38Hello.
00:39I got this one.
00:41You got it?
00:44I was so shocked when I found out Tay was pregnant.
00:46I like, couldn't believe it.
00:47You were shocked?
00:48Yes. I wasn't.
00:49You weren't surprised?
00:50She's been kind of MIA.
00:51I feel like she's like, separating herself from all of us.
00:54I mean, I feel like I would, if it were me.
00:58She had the swinger scandal,
00:59had an affair with her husband.
01:00Then she had her miscarriage with Dakota,
01:02continued breaking it on and off with Dakota.
01:05Then she got arrested and now she's pregnant.
01:08It's like, when I see guys like, think with their dick,
01:11that's like Taylor, thinks with her vagina.
01:14She does not think of like, using protection.
01:15I don't think she thinks with anything.
01:18Love her, but sometimes I'm like,
01:21sweetheart, like it's not that hard.
01:23Yeah.
01:26Good morning.
01:27How's it going?
01:28Good, how are you?
01:29Good.
01:30It's freezing.
01:31It is cold outside.
01:33I'm so excited to go shopping.
01:35What all have you bought so far?
01:37Nothing.
01:38You haven't bought anything?
01:40I want to wait till after the shower to get stuff.
01:42Cause then you know what you do and don't need, you know?
01:44Yeah.
01:45I want to invite all of Mom Talk to come to my baby shower.
01:49I felt like this would be like, a good fresh start.
01:52Did you guys get her baby shower invite though?
01:54Yeah.
01:56Are you going to go?
01:57Obviously, yeah.
01:58Are you going?
02:00I had one of my last probation appointments.
02:05Today?
02:06Yeah.
02:07What, what did they say?
02:09So this is how it works.
02:10So I went like once a month, every month,
02:12but now it changes to every six months I go in.
02:15So I don't have to go in every month,
02:17which is a step, you know?
02:18Yeah.
02:19So that's good.
02:21Yeah, we should, we just shouldn't even be there.
02:24I know.
02:25After the arrest, I was under so much stress.
02:29I was filmed leaving the jail
02:31and then that was immediately on the internet.
02:34It was a blessing in disguise that helped me like wake up.
02:38I'm not going to go through this again, Taylor.
02:40I can't.
02:42You've aged me like 10 years.
02:44I've aged myself.
02:47It's put a very, I'd say negative image on Mom Talk.
02:52I think that something needs to change.
02:54We need to get back to what Mom Talk was
02:57before all of this happened.
02:58Well, do you want to exclude her from it?
03:00Like, what are you saying?
03:01I just think like, let's change the culture.
03:05The Swinger scandal, sure, we got a lot of eyes.
03:07We got a lot of publicity from it,
03:09but I feel like ever since the arrest,
03:11it's been the complete opposite.
03:12I know for a lot of people, like brand deals have gone down.
03:16We need to make sure that we have a good reputation
03:18on social media because brands aren't going to want
03:21to work with us if they think we're going to jail
03:25and throwing stools at a wall.
03:27We need to make sure to just completely get rid
03:29of that culture because it's our livelihood.
03:31Right now, I feel like we're like holding on a thread here.
03:35Yeah, I feel like it's like rocky.
03:37And I feel like it's going to take at least one of us
03:40to kind of step up to keep the group going.
03:42Like, it's almost weird today doing content without Taylor.
03:44Yeah.
03:45This feels different, you know?
03:46Yeah.
03:48It is weird.
03:50I'm just like, it's overwhelming.
03:54I feel like right now I just have a lot on my plate
03:56and Dakota's like talking about marriage a lot.
04:01And I'm not quite, I'm not fully in.
04:07I'm so scared to like just get hurt, I guess.
04:11I've done like everything to like push him.
04:14I think it's more of a test.
04:15Like, are you going to stay here with me
04:16through like thick and thin, you know?
04:19And so I've done these things where I'm like
04:21trying to push him and stuff.
04:22He's like, you're trying to ruin this.
04:23Like, you want to ruin this.
04:24And he's like, you're going to do it eventually
04:27if you keep trying it.
04:30My due date's in six to eight weeks.
04:32And I don't know if I'll like ever forgive myself.
04:42And that's why I like really push Dakota
04:45because I don't feel like I deserve
04:48this like happy ending life.
04:51And I think that's like something like I learned in therapy.
04:54Like, I just like kind of struggle and I'm like terrified.
05:04I'm sorry, I can't talk.
05:06I'm like hurting so bad inside.
05:09I know, I don't want you to feel that way.
05:12And I think that's why I had like a psychotic break
05:14is because I don't know how to handle it
05:17and that much hurt that I had at one time
05:20and the whole social media was watching
05:22and I didn't know what to do.
05:25After the arrest, I lost a lot of friends.
05:28I miss having the close friendships.
05:31So I would like to just kind of start over
05:33beginning with my baby shower.
05:36Oh gosh, I'm sorry.
05:39I'm going to put some lip gloss on
05:41and act like I didn't have a meltdown in the car.
05:47Oh, thank you.
05:48I know it's cute, huh?
05:49Yeah.
06:33Please lord.
06:35Make me the biggest star the world has ever known.
06:39Can we start flying up?
06:40Yeah, this is my time.
06:41My biggest thing surviving as a working mom
06:44with young kids is self-care
06:46and hanging out with my close girlfriend.
06:48I need to be on a chair.
06:50Please, Lord.
06:51Make me the biggest star the world has ever known.
06:54That was it.
06:56Taylor used to be the face of MomTalk,
06:58and then when that all blew up, no one really knew
07:00what MomTalk stood for anymore.
07:02I feel like if MomTalk is going to remake its image,
07:05it's up to the rest of us to step up and make it happen.
07:07I know you don't want to make it TikTok,
07:09but we've got to pay the bills.
07:10I mean, who else is going to pay the bills?
07:12Who is currently, like, the breadwinner at home?
07:15I think all of us.
07:17Yeah, definitely.
07:18For sure.
07:18All of us.
07:19Really?
07:20Yeah.
07:21We all are.
07:22Look at us.
07:23Social media has been, like, the greatest blessing in that sense.
07:26I feel like we haven't known a Brand deal in a long time.
07:28Zero November, zero December, and then I got three in January.
07:32I wonder if holidays were just slow.
07:35The past year has been a little rough going for MomTalk
07:37after Taylor's arrest, but we still
07:40want to keep MomTalk going, and I think it's up to us
07:43to keep everything going.
07:44I had one Brand deal, like, going into the holidays,
07:48and then dry.
07:51What's the weirdest deal you've gotten?
07:53Me and Jen got one.
07:54What?
07:55A bladder.
07:56What was it?
07:57After giving birth, like, your pelvic is just so weak
08:00that you could sneeze and, like, pee yourself.
08:02Was it for diapers?
08:04Yes, it was for diapers.
08:05I just said yes.
08:06I'm reading the brief, and me and Jen are like,
08:08wait a minute, are these for diapers?
08:10I'm like, are you doing it?
08:11OK.
08:12I feel like this is going to be a little weird.
08:14I feel like you probably have had more.
08:15You have one.
08:16Yeah.
08:17You have one.
08:18Yeah.
08:19Don't you?
08:19Yeah.
08:21Do you have a weird brand deal you want to share with us?
08:22Guys, I genuinely need your opinion on something.
08:25What?
08:26OK, so I got this offer, and it's like,
08:29I'm not going to lie, like, the money is really good.
08:31I'm like, how much are we talking?
08:33$20,000?
08:34$200,000?
08:35$200,000?
08:35No!
08:36Wait, wait.
08:37$20,000.
08:38$20,000.
08:39$20,000.
08:39OK, $20,000.
08:40I thought for what?
08:41It's really good money, K.
08:43What is it?
08:44What the?
08:45Oh, goodness.
08:52What the?
08:53What is it?
08:53I can't see.
08:54Just like Pleasure Toys for days.
08:58What the fa is this?
09:00Whitney Lovett.
09:01From spreading the good word, door to door,
09:03to spreading the word about vibrators.
09:06Who would have thought?
09:07Congratulations.
09:08Is that a little microphone?
09:10Oh, karaoke!
09:10Are you going to sing into that?
09:12What the?
09:14Stop.
09:15What the heck?
09:16Here, you want to see them?
09:17Let me just.
09:18Well, this has my name on it.
09:19Oh, Demi.
09:20That one's for you.
09:21The Demi one.
09:22The finger pro.
09:23It's your finger, but better.
09:25Guys, I need to go upstairs.
09:26You're like, OK, I'll be right back.
09:27Stop, Layla!
09:29OK, so what do they want you to do?
09:31Because so, OK, so literally, all I have to do
09:34is hold it and take a picture.
09:37Like, just me and post it on my Instagram, and that's it.
09:40In the Mormon religion, we're very conservative.
09:45I worry about the people that I grew up with,
09:48specifically my family, seeing me promote this sex toy
09:52because it's very, very taboo.
09:55I don't know if I'd do it for 20.
09:57I'd probably have to do at least 30.
09:58I know.
09:59I wouldn't do it for 20.
09:59I'd do it for 100, maybe.
10:00I would do it.
10:02Honestly, I think Whitney should take
10:03the deal for the vibrator.
10:05I honestly don't see anything wrong
10:07with promoting a sex toy.
10:09The amount was still not enough for me
10:11to post that on my feed, but get that back, girl.
10:14I personally would never promote a sex brand.
10:20Sex has been such a taboo topic, especially
10:23within the church for so long.
10:24It's like, if we're trying to break the mold and modernize
10:26and get to a place of, like, normalizing things,
10:29that starts with us.
10:30More than just making TikToks, I just
10:32love this group of women getting together and having
10:34these important conversations.
10:36I also feel like this mom talk group, especially being in Utah,
10:40is breaking a norm.
10:42We're raising this new generation,
10:44and things are changing.
10:46And I'm loving what's changing.
10:48I think that a lot of women, because of the shame
10:51and lack of knowledge, I think a lot of women
10:55don't even orgasm.
10:56I would die.
10:58Yep.
10:58No, I'm dead ass.
11:00Never in my life.
11:01We love this.
11:03I'm, like, scared.
11:04Take this home with you.
11:05My name is Layla Taylor.
11:07I'm 22.
11:08I got married when I was 19.
11:10Me and my husband were then married for three years.
11:13But we ended up getting divorced.
11:14So I've only ever really dated about four people.
11:18So that's not a lot of time to discover yourself.
11:22Have you tried a toy?
11:23Yeah.
11:23And any time I get close to the feeling of it, I get scared.
11:26And I, like, stop.
11:27Yeah.
11:28Two kids, 22, never in my life.
11:31I went to a very Mormon populated high school.
11:33So I'd be like, OK, what's the one thing
11:35that all of my friends have in common?
11:36They're all part of the church.
11:38So I got baptized on my own when I was 16.
11:41Being black in the church, I have never taken it personally.
11:45But you definitely do stick out like a sore thumb.
11:49I feel like I'm, like, missing out.
11:50And I, like, want to.
11:51But I just can't.
11:52You will.
11:53Once you do it once, you will want to do it all the time.
11:55You'll be like a teenage boy.
11:56I know.
11:57I just want to do this.
11:58I leave it in puberty.
11:59No, she literally starts levitating.
12:01I just want to do it.
12:02Oh my god.
12:03Oh my god.
12:05Do it for yourself.
12:06Don't even do it for him.
12:07Because sex isn't just about the guy.
12:10It's about us too, you know?
12:12The more you enjoy it, the more they enjoy it, you know?
12:14I don't have that problem.
12:15I enjoy it.
12:16I mean, it's funny.
12:17Yeah, you definitely are.
12:18Like, I ain't worried about who it's for, to be honest.
12:21Before you're married, it's like, sex is taboo.
12:23But then the second you get married,
12:24you're supposed to be this, like,
12:25porn star for your husband.
12:26We know who the real porn star is for their husband.
12:28Oh my god.
12:29Oh my god.
12:29Oh my god.
12:30Oh my god.
12:31Oh my god.
12:32No!
12:33Who we looking at?
12:33Who we looking at?
12:35We've seen those nudes.
12:37My name is Jen Affleck.
12:39I am 24 years old.
12:41Zach's going to kill me for this one.
12:43But Ben Affleck is his second cousin.
12:45I'm definitely the first Jen Affleck.
12:47And not only that, her middle name is the same as mine.
12:50Jennifer Lynn Affleck.
12:52I don't know, maybe we can convert them to the church.
12:55I am a content creator.
12:56My goal was really just to be able to provide for my family.
13:00I've always been super comfortable with my sexuality,
13:03which I definitely think has also gotten me in trouble.
13:08Because I am a conservative Mormon.
13:10I do follow all those rules.
13:12I'm not kidding.
13:13You inspired me, like, full, like, for Brett.
13:16And I've never done anything else.
13:17Wait, you did it?
13:18Yes.
13:19Like, you took a picture?
13:20Oh, I took so many pictures.
13:21Wait, I want to see.
13:22I want to see.
13:22What's your picture?
13:23Oh my god!
13:24Oh my god!
13:24Oh my god!
13:24Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:25Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:26Oh my god!
13:29Not again, not again!
13:32Jenny, what are you doing?
13:34Oh my god!
13:35Oh my god.
13:36Oh my god!
13:37Oh my god.
13:37Oh my god!
13:37Oh my god!
13:37There she is, in all her glory!
13:40There's the Jenny.
13:41Here we are, a group of women in MOM Talk
13:43who can inspire other women to not be ashamed to use a sex toy
13:47I think is very empowering.
13:48I just worry that my family would
13:52be a bit shocked by me advertising
13:55something like this.
13:56What am I looking at?
13:57It's hot in here.
13:58What?
13:59Who are you?
14:00Who are you?
14:01Hi.
14:02Hi.
14:03Come on in.
14:04How's it going?
14:05You guys can sit down.
14:06What are you doing?
14:07Dishes.
14:08What are you guys up to?
14:12Your mom drugged me here off of my job sites.
14:14Really?
14:15So what's so important you need to talk to us about?
14:17Did you not tell him, Mom?
14:19I did tell him that Dakota was probably going to move in.
14:23Yeah, probably.
14:24Yeah, he's moving in.
14:26When?
14:27When?
14:28When?
14:29When?
14:30When?
14:31When?
14:32When?
14:33When?
14:34When?
14:35When?
14:36When?
14:37When?
14:38When?
14:39When?
14:41Today.
14:42Like, now?
14:43Yeah.
14:44I'm very excited for this next step.
14:47One, we have a child on the way, and I feel like I really just want to try to move forward,
14:54heal, and really work on our relationship.
14:56I know you guys prefer marriage before moving in, but, like, that's obviously not how it's
15:01going to go, you know?
15:04I'm not supportive of it.
15:06Why do you have to rush it?
15:08Because we're having a baby.
15:09I know, but that doesn't matter.
15:10You'd rather me do it alone.
15:12Yeah, that's the choice you made when you got pregnant.
15:15In our religion, marriage is, like, essential to have that partnership.
15:21We believe, like, it's a sacred thing.
15:24That's what me and your mom have tried to teach you.
15:27The church teaches that we shouldn't live with a partner outside of marriage.
15:32You already got divorced, you know, at a young age, and then you bring Dakota in this
15:36when you don't know if he's 100% sober.
15:39I don't want you to be like, oh, this is not going to work out.
15:42Okay, I have a baby from a second daddy.
15:45I don't want a revolving door of men attached to my daughter and to my grandkids.
15:51For having this baby out of wedlock, you guys can be mad all you want, but he's moving in,
15:56and he's going to help me with the baby.
15:58That's the goal is to get married.
15:59It's not like I'm having this kid and I don't want to get married ever.
16:02You want to give yourself time before you marry someone for the rest of your life again, you know?
16:06Like, it's my second marriage, so it's like I'm scared.
16:08Yeah.
16:09Again, you shouldn't have got pregnant.
16:11Which is true.
16:13Is that him?
16:15Probably.
16:18I'll go say hi and help him.
16:20I'll be right back.
16:22Hey.
16:24Hi.
16:25How's it going?
16:26Here, I'm going to help you bring some boxes.
16:28You don't have to, babe.
16:29It's fine.
16:30Do you have any light ones?
16:31A lot of them are light.
16:32I mean, I'll get most of my heavy stuff.
16:33I just told him that you're moving in.
16:35Look at that one.
16:36Just now.
16:37Are you listening?
16:38Oh, sorry.
16:39No, what?
16:40You told him?
16:41Just now.
16:42Wait, you just told him?
16:43Yeah, I know.
16:44That's why he's like, oh, you brought him here.
16:45He doesn't have anything?
16:46No couches?
16:47Dirty clothes?
16:48Dude, I didn't know your parents were even going to be here.
16:50Do they need help?
16:53It's always scary.
16:55It is scary.
16:57It's all that gray hair.
16:58They've caused you to go gray.
17:00Hopefully.
17:01How can you do?
17:02They don't ever listen to anything
17:04you tell them to do anyways, so.
17:07Seriously, do you need any help?
17:09I don't know.
17:10I think we're good.
17:11He doesn't have a whole lot.
17:12Like, I have more, but.
17:13So first of all, you knock up my daughter.
17:16Oh my gosh.
17:17And then.
17:18Dude, hey, that was an accident.
17:19OK.
17:20What, you tripped and fell?
17:21Yeah.
17:23Yeah.
17:25So moving in.
17:30That's shocking.
17:31Just found out.
17:32I know.
17:33Is that how you were raised?
17:34Did you just move in with these chicks?
17:35No, no, no, no, no, no.
17:36See, here's what happened.
17:38You just knock up girls?
17:39No.
17:40See, everything we did, completely opposite.
17:43I think, like, realistically, we would
17:45have liked to have done it.
17:47The traditional way.
17:48The traditional way.
17:49But given our situation, I want to also help Taylor.
17:53I just feel like the only way for me to really do
17:55that is to be in here.
17:57I'm excited to have another life into our family.
18:01Little baby.
18:02But I do have my reservations about this whole thing.
18:06This is honestly everything I've ever wanted in my future.
18:10I just never thought it was possible for me to have.
18:12I do want a family.
18:13I want all those things.
18:15Not only that, I love your daughter.
18:17Like, I love her a lot.
18:18And we align a lot on what we want in our future together.
18:21Yeah.
18:23Which makes it really nice.
18:24We talked about that.
18:25Like, even just, like, religion, I guess,
18:28as simple as, like, I wanted someone in the church
18:32to marry again, and he wanted the same.
18:35Yeah.
18:36Oh, you did?
18:37Yeah.
18:38Since the arrest and my pregnancy,
18:40I feel like I have changed spiritually.
18:43I have really looked at, like, what's important, my priorities.
18:48I want someone, like, to go to church with when we go to church.
18:51Like, I don't want to be in a relationship where, like,
18:53I'm taking my kids alone and stuff, and I just really wanted that.
18:56Like, and you have usually the same morals and values, I feel like.
19:01Or do we always follow them?
19:03No, but we're pretty aligned in that way.
19:06Being pregnant and recommitting and trying to go back to church
19:11is not the typical Mormon thing to do, and most wouldn't.
19:14And I feel like they'd be a little bit more shameful.
19:16And I do have those feelings, anxiety, fear of going back in and being judged.
19:20However, I still love our faith and really want to make an effort to go,
19:25so we are just going to try.
19:27I think that when you're pregnant and you're bringing a life into the world,
19:31you need to be really considering marriage.
19:34It's really not that different, you know?
19:37Dakota moving in with my parents being here did not go well,
19:43but I'm hoping our baby shower goes better.
19:47I got education, ain't no getting over on me.
19:50I've been through the struggle, yeah, I'm more than what you see.
19:53Took a while to get it, so I'm holding on to success.
19:56I don't do no drama, baby, go ahead with that mess.
19:58You a boss and you fucking like it.
20:02Hi!
20:03Look at you, you look so cute, pregnant mama.
20:06Let's see.
20:07Look at this baby.
20:08Oh my gosh, it's getting so big.
20:10You're still small, though.
20:11What the heck?
20:12It's like you're lucky, I get huge.
20:13I know, and I'm almost like there.
20:15I know.
20:16Sweet, so are we looking for stuff for the baby shower?
20:18Yes, I want to show you like a picture.
20:20Yeah, what's the vibe?
20:22I'm having my baby shower at this venue called the White Shanty.
20:26It is Mormon owned, and they pretty much have like every Mormon event you can think of.
20:30I just really want this baby shower to be perfect,
20:34and I just really need my support system back,
20:36so I just hope all my friends come and show up for me.
20:38We want to find like some eucalyptus, is that what it is?
20:40Yeah, and then baby's breath.
20:42Yeah, okay.
20:43So you can kind of look.
20:44And I was looking at these, and like dang, I want to get some plants.
20:46I'd probably kill it on accident, though.
20:49So I am kind of nervous about my baby shower.
20:54Why?
20:55Just to see everyone.
20:56I'm just like scared.
20:58Yeah.
20:59Honestly, there's just no other way to see it.
21:00I don't blame you, but I feel like when everything came out, I felt bad for you.
21:04Everyone was shitting on you, and I was like I would hate to be in her position,
21:08even if I effed up, and everyone's like,
21:10Eff you, Taylor.
21:11I couldn't imagine where your mental health was at.
21:14If anything, it made me want to come towards you more.
21:17This girl needs a friend.
21:19After the scandal, and then obviously the arrest,
21:23the moms and mom talk all for sure judged me.
21:25They didn't know the background of the story,
21:27so they were like we don't want Taylor.
21:29Those who love and support you will be there.
21:31Yeah.
21:32And I guess that can kind of give you an idea of who cares and who doesn't.
21:36We don't have time for fake friends.
21:37I know.
21:39I do feel like you've done a great job at taking accountability
21:42for things from the past and what you've done.
21:44Yeah.
21:45But I do think that you take all of the accountability,
21:48and you act like it's all you.
21:51And then Dakota looks like this angel sent from heaven
21:55who's this perfect person when he's not.
21:59I'm not going to sugar coat it.
22:01I worry because of what I've seen him say to you.
22:07Me and Mikayla went to this event.
22:09Taylor shows up, and then her ex walked in,
22:12and immediately Taylor was like stressed.
22:14Dakota was freaking out.
22:16He basically was saying like F you.
22:18You're a nothing slut.
22:20And Taylor was sitting there like shaking.
22:22She doesn't deserve that.
22:23I just think that he's not treated you the way you should be treated.
22:28When we were at that event,
22:30and he was texting and I was looking over your shoulder,
22:33I was reading your whole conversation.
22:35Thank God.
22:36I could see that you were like shutting down,
22:38and you were so anxious.
22:39And I was like what's going on?
22:41I just think that he's not treated you the way you should be treated.
22:44But I also feel like things have gotten so much better.
22:48Like what has changed?
22:50Like he's being less toxic or?
22:52Both.
22:53How so?
22:54Just like with the addiction or just like in the relationship?
22:56Everything.
22:58Taylor definitely hasn't confided in me as much since she got pregnant.
23:02I don't really hear much about the relationship anymore,
23:04which I knew eventually would happen.
23:06That's what usually does happen, those toxic relationships.
23:09Two weeks before she told me she was pregnant,
23:11she called me basically saying I want to get out of this relationship.
23:15I don't know how to get out.
23:17Like she was like I don't know how to get out of this relationship.
23:20I don't know how to get out.
23:22Like she was basically asking for my help.
23:24And then two weeks later she's telling us she's pregnant.
23:26I always think about you.
23:27That's why I always check in.
23:28Because I'm like I want you to know you can like talk to me.
23:30I think that's why I always like defend you because I've been there.
23:33Yeah.
23:34Because I'm telling you some of the other girls don't, and they won't.
23:37And I feel like I really gave him the benefit of the doubt.
23:40But I haven't seen any progress.
23:41Maybe that's why.
23:42Like I only know what I saw in the past.
23:44And that like pisses me off.
23:46Sure, there's been a lot.
23:47I will say.
23:48Yes.
23:49I will honestly say there's been so much progress.
23:51Dakota is obviously very insecure.
23:54Because people who are confident in themselves and their relationship, they don't act like that.
23:58But it's still no excuse for his behavior.
24:00I'm just trying to be a good friend to Taylor.
24:02And I see those red flags.
24:04And it scares me.
24:05I don't trust him.
24:07I don't think he's good for Taylor.
24:08I don't think that they should be together.
24:10Period.
24:11Do you think I should just do this on my own?
24:13Like you'd rather have you be happy without this person than miserable with him just for the baby.
24:18I don't like him.
24:22I see Macy as like this protective friend.
24:25She's always defending me in situations.
24:27I do appreciate that she's blunt and always been honest.
24:30I know she wants the best for me.
24:32But at the same time, it's really hard to hear and accept as well.
24:37All right.
24:38Well, I want to look at the pots they have.
24:39Yeah, let's look at the pots.
24:48What's up?
24:51Whitney's here.
24:53Whitney's here.
24:54The party has started.
24:56Yay!
24:57I'm so excited.
25:01Okay, fun.
25:02You guys already have everything out.
25:03Yeah.
25:04Guess who did it?
25:05Lexi.
25:06Is she the new favorite?
25:08I don't know about new.
25:12Being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
25:16I know, it's a whole mouthful.
25:17My family is very conservative.
25:19My family's family is very conservative.
25:22How's your boyfriend?
25:24Good.
25:25Mom, how do you feel that he's not Mormon?
25:27He's a great kid.
25:28Why do I feel like if I were to date a non-Mormon boy in high school, mom would have absolutely said no way?
25:35Well, now you know I wouldn't have cared.
25:38Of course, it's going to weigh in to my decision whether or not I'm going to promote a vibrator.
25:44I'm just trying to figure out, is this a gray area or is this an absolute do not promote this?
25:52So, mom and Lexi, I'm curious to know your point of view on this too.
25:57I got a really juicy brand deal for a vibrator.
26:02Okay.
26:03Just to promote it on my social media.
26:06Why would you do that?
26:07Well, one, the money's really good.
26:11And two.
26:12And two, I feel like I can go about it where it's like empowering.
26:17You don't think it's like empowering?
26:21No.
26:22Why?
26:23Do you think that like matches your plot?
26:26No.
26:27Why?
26:28Do you think that like matches your plot form though?
26:31Because you're all like, oh my God, kids, homemaking, vibrator.
26:37I mean, yeah.
26:38Like, let's empower each other.
26:40I don't feel like it does match.
26:43I just think a lot of that is private, personal.
26:46But I also, I wanted to, because I like, I didn't want it to be shunned.
26:50It's like, if you need this tool to enjoy intimacy with your partner more,
26:57like there shouldn't be shame around it.
26:59Do you feel like there is with the church in sex toys?
27:02Probably, yeah.
27:04I think it's a personal thing between you and your partner.
27:07What if you were single?
27:10I'm not sure how I feel about that.
27:12You think that it should be a no-no?
27:15I think when you're seeking pleasure, it can just get out of hand.
27:19I'm going to put these in.
27:20I feel like we were so involved in the church.
27:23Growing up, even in young women's or girls' camp or young women's activities,
27:28like whenever we would talk about the law of chastity or sex,
27:31like it was always no, no, no, no, no.
27:35There's this verse I remember where it talks about how sex was comparable to murder.
27:41And so that's what's going in my mind as a young woman.
27:46I even had the sex talk before I got married to Connor, and I was a virgin.
27:54I had to figure it out on my own.
27:57My wedding night should have come from a horror movie.
28:01That was a horrible, horrible night.
28:04It was a conversation that was never had, so we both just went in this blindly.
28:09Okay, maybe not a horror movie, a comedy.
28:13In some schools, you're taught sex ed.
28:15I don't know if it's a Utah thing, but no.
28:18When I would watch these movies and they'd hold the banana and put the condom on the banana,
28:23I'm like, never at my school.
28:26I remember at your shower that your friends threw you.
28:30Yeah, the bachelorette party.
28:32I mean, you had to know, you guys had penis cookies.
28:34I was kind of like, what is going on?
28:36I had just had another baby.
28:38She was a toddler. Cut me some slack.
28:41You should have taught me how you had the baby.
28:45Obviously, you figured it out.
28:46I wish that I had conversations with my mom about topics such as this.
28:53And it's hard because, you know, my mom was raised in the church and her mom didn't talk to her about it.
28:59We just never did talk about it.
29:01So I just took that as, oh, this is just something you don't talk about.
29:04It was, this is shameful, horrible, don't ever do this, don't even think about it.
29:09If you do, you're a horrible person. Like, that's literally what I believe.
29:13If I could go back in time, I would check that off of my parenting list to make sure that I asked if there was anything that you wanted to know that you didn't know.
29:22Oh, I love you, Mom.
29:24The sex is great now, if you were wondering.
29:29And you know what made it better?
29:31Toys.
29:32So I wish my mom had talked to me about it, but I'm so happy that she's listening now.
29:37Sex can be viewed in religion as, like, disgusting.
29:40But times are changing.
29:42It's a new generation coming in.
29:44With Mom Talk.
29:45We're here, we're embracing our sexuality.
29:48It's empowering and it's exciting and it's fun.
29:53I think I'm gonna do it.
29:55I think I'm gonna promote at the vibrator.
29:57You hate it. You hate it so much.
30:01Well, there's lots of things I don't agree with.
30:04But that's okay.
30:06The cycle ends here.
30:08I'm going to have this conversation, because it needs to be had.
30:11Maybe I'll send you one.
30:13It's okay.
30:17You don't need to send me one.
30:31Be careful, watch your step.
30:33They're slushy.
30:36Hello.
30:37Hey guys, welcome to the sale.
30:39How are you?
30:40Have you guys sit right over here?
30:41I'm doing well, how are you guys?
30:42Good.
30:44Thank you so much.
30:45This is so...
30:46This is cool.
30:47Oh yeah, this is awesome.
30:48Thank you so much.
30:49You're welcome.
30:51So, who's going to the baby shower?
30:53I invited my family, your family, and then I think mostly all of my close mom friends are coming.
30:59Like, they'll be there.
31:00Is it all the Mom Talk girls and stuff?
31:02Yeah, Mom Talk.
31:03How is Macy?
31:06Didn't she go to the flower shop with her?
31:07It was good.
31:08We kind of just caught up.
31:09She asked about how we were doing.
31:10Oh, she's still talking shit?
31:12Like always?
31:13No.
31:14Yeah.
31:15That's all she does.
31:16She doesn't like me.
31:17It's not that she doesn't like you.
31:19It's like she's been the one friend that I've opened up to about things.
31:22So, she's of course just-
31:23No, no, no, no.
31:24She's petty.
31:25I'm sorry.
31:26Like, there's a difference.
31:28Like, I've opened up to my friends too.
31:30Taylor, she doesn't like any picture you post of us.
31:33Like, she's so petty.
31:35She won't even like the picture.
31:37Who does that?
31:38Sorry.
31:39That's weird.
31:40I don't know where she seems like she has this right to like-
31:43Because I confide in her.
31:45She's the only person you confide in?
31:48Mm-hmm.
31:49I don't confide in a lot of people.
31:51But I haven't even tried.
31:52I am scared of friendships right now.
31:54Like, just like, kind of like I'm scared of like a marriage and everything.
31:58Like, just from everything that's gone on.
32:00Like, I am scared to have close friends.
32:02I really am.
32:03Because the close friends that I had the last five years were not even really my friends.
32:06And were gone in the snap of the fingers.
32:07Macy was one of the first ones to come and be my friend.
32:11I have screwed up with MomTalk twice now.
32:14First the scandal and then my arrest.
32:16So, I do feel on the outs, insecure, and probably a little bit judged.
32:23I don't know all of their intentions.
32:25And I don't think you ever really do know your friendships until something happens.
32:29And then you find out the hard way.
32:31And I don't want there to be drama.
32:33And so, I'm hoping that MomTalk, they will kind of give me another shot.
32:37And we can all have a fresh start together.
32:55He is so funny.
32:56Yeah.
32:57I want purple plastic.
32:58Hi.
32:59Hi.
33:01Awesome, thank you.
33:06Whoa, this feels so weird.
33:08Oh, look, he's like, Mom, no.
33:10You can do it, buddy.
33:12It's Himalayan salt.
33:14Yeah.
33:15But it's supposed to be really good for your immune system.
33:16So, it's like, anytime my kids are sick or if I'm sick, like, I'm like, uh, we need to go to a little salt cave.
33:21Can you eat it?
33:23My kids do.
33:26Okay, wait, what are you wearing?
33:27The Taylor's Baby Shower?
33:28I don't know if I'm going to go to that.
33:31Why?
33:32I don't have that kind of relationship with her.
33:34We've cultivated this relationship online, but we don't have one in real life.
33:39And I don't even think she'd care.
33:40The whole time I've known her, it's always been give, give, give, and it's never been reciprocated.
33:45And I'm just kind of like, well, then why am I still giving?
33:49Why am I still supporting?
33:50Why am I still entertaining this relationship when there's nothing even there?
33:54It's like, I know it's going to be fun, but it's like, I don't want to do that anymore.
33:59I want to lead mom talk back in the direction that it was originally founded on.
34:04I am not supporting this fake friendship that we don't have anymore.
34:09I just feel like I have to walk around on eggshells every time I'm around her because of this audience that she has on social media.
34:19It's like, I'm so intimidated by it.
34:20I'm like, oh my God, like, look what she did to her best friends.
34:23Look how she fucked them over.
34:25When this whole mom talk swinger drama happened, it was immediate crash.
34:32We were all in this massive group chat and then people are just fighting back and forth.
34:36Friendships were torn apart because of what Taylor was saying.
34:39And it sucks that she even allowed something like that to happen.
34:42Online, it looks like we're all the bestest of friends.
34:45It's like, but we're not.
34:47All she cares about is herself.
34:49I genuinely feel that way.
34:51This is definitely typical Whitney.
34:53She will have problems with somebody, have tension, and she just wants to avoid it rather than to talk to them.
34:59Every time we're together, she has to create a TikTok and it has to make sure that like she's shown as the queen bee and we're all like these girls who kiss her ass and lick her pee.
35:07And I'm like, I'm not, I'm done with that facade.
35:09I don't want to entertain it anymore.
35:11I'm out.
35:12I'm not really sure why Whitney would consider not going to this, especially just because one of the purposes of our group and mom talk is that we come together and we support each other through all the things that we're going through in life.
35:23She was getting a divorce.
35:25She was having an affair.
35:27She got arrested.
35:28I'm done with that.
35:30I feel like all of us in mom talks really important that we all stay strong and united.
35:34It makes me honestly really worried that Whitney might not show up.
35:38I don't trust her.
35:39I don't feel safe around her.
35:40I don't want anything to do with her and I think that's fine.
36:02Actually, I have an idea.
36:04What if I'm going to put all the greenery on here and then we'll just keep this one the green.
36:09Hey Taylor, what did you want to do with the welcome sign?
36:11Do you want it on the table?
36:13And yeah, we have easels we could put it on.
36:15What do you think would look best?
36:16I think if you used an easel.
36:18Let's do that.
36:19Yes.
36:20Yes.
36:22I'm kind of nervous.
36:26With the arrest, I don't know necessarily if the girls did judge or have any opinions about it.
36:33I came back to the church, try to get my life together and just kind of redeem myself.
36:37And I'm like finally getting there.
36:40We're moving, we're progressing.
36:42But I feel like I have distanced myself from, you know, all of my friends.
36:48I don't know who's going to show up and who's not.
36:51But I do want them there for me.
36:53I don't want to do this alone.
36:55I'm stressed.
36:56I'm like anxiety attack.
37:02I'm like anxiety attack.
37:33I know secrets don't make friends.
37:35I don't care if I offend.
37:37You know rules are meant to bend.
37:39I'ma keep them till the end.
37:42I know secrets don't make friends.
37:44I don't care if I offend.
37:46Hi, it's the bitches right here.
37:48Look at those babies.
37:50Despite my issues with Dakota, I know it's important to be there to show up for Taylor for her baby's shower.
37:55She has gone through so much in the last year.
37:56I want to make sure she feels loved and supported.
37:58I think when Taylor sees us as a group of girls rallying around her,
38:01she'll be more excited and happy to come back to Mom Talks
38:04so we can all start making videos again and be a united front.
38:08You look stunning.
38:10I am here to fully support her on her journey and whatever her journey looks like.
38:16Even if she's taken a step back lately, which I totally understand and respect,
38:20I have supported Taylor through all of the ups and downs throughout Mom Talk,
38:26and this is no different.
38:27Look at your cute little belly.
38:29With the ribbon, you are going to cut how big you think Taylor is,
38:33and then whoever is the closest to guessing how big she is wins a prize.
38:38I just feel like he's going to be such a sweet dad.
38:40He is. He's going to be really cute.
38:43What was that?
38:44Nothing.
38:45I think he'll be a great dad.
38:46The baby-daddy part is where I think we worry a little bit.
38:50There's just stuff from the past that I think still bugs me.
38:52When we were at that event, he was saying, like, F you.
38:55Like, I think he said, like, you're an F-ing whore or something.
38:59Okay.
39:00Do you guys have your ribbons?
39:02Yes.
39:03I would love to check for you guys.
39:04Do a check.
39:05Awkward.
39:06I know.
39:07That was close.
39:09I'm going to put my hand on your belly because I love it.
39:11Sure.
39:12Do you guys know where Whitney is?
39:13Oh, is Whitney not here yet?
39:14I don't know.
39:16Fashionably late.
39:19Is she coming?
39:20Last night, I was with her, and she's not coming.
39:24Wait, what?
39:26Yeah.
39:27No.
39:28Did she tell her she's not coming?
39:29No, and I told her maybe she should,
39:31but she said that Taylor's probably not even going to notice.
39:34I am shocked that Whitney is not coming to the baby shower.
39:37At the same time, I know she's not a big fan of Taylor right now,
39:41so it doesn't surprise me, but she should at least send her a text.
39:44I feel like this is sending a message to Taylor that she does not want to be friends
39:48and she does not care about Taylor.
39:50Did she say why?
39:51I don't want to go into too much detail,
39:53but she just says that she doesn't want to be involved with Taylor.
39:58Can I get a pic with all of you girls?
40:00Is everyone here?
40:01I think so.
40:02Where's Whitney?
40:03Oh, yeah.
40:04Whitney's not here.
40:05I don't know if she's coming.
40:06What do you mean?
40:07Did she say she wasn't coming?
40:09I guess she told Layla last night she couldn't come.
40:12I honestly think she's not coming.
40:14You know why.
40:15Why isn't she coming?
40:17I'm not.
40:18Wait, Whitney's not coming?
40:19You're like the worst liar ever.
40:21I know.
40:22Just be honest.
40:23Layla knows.
40:24I don't know.
40:25You guys don't have a friendship,
40:26so she felt like she didn't need to come today
40:28because you guys don't have a friendship.
40:30Oh, that's news to me.
40:32I don't want to be the one to have to bring it up.
40:34She was the messenger.
40:35I was just hoping you wouldn't notice,
40:36so I wouldn't have to say anything.
40:37That she's not here?
40:38The tension between Whitney and Taylor
40:41is very tangible with them at all times.
40:45It's like you're either Team Taylor
40:47or you are Team Whitney.
40:49I feel like they both love the spotlight
40:51in different ways,
40:52but they both have this very alpha female energy,
40:56and that seems to be the bigger issue.
41:01What?
41:02Do you know this?
41:03What?
41:04Yeah.
41:05Because she said,
41:06we haven't had a friendship.
41:15Hello?
41:16Hey, Whitney?
41:17Yeah.
41:18This is Leontay's mom.
41:20How's it going?
41:21Good. What's up?
41:22Good.
41:23I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
41:25Your mom called Whitney.
41:27Oh, my God.
41:30Yeah.
41:31Taylor's mom called Whitney.
41:34I would die if my mom did that.
41:36What is going on?
41:38Um, I don't know.
41:40I think that's more of a conversation
41:41between me and Taylor.
41:46Here's a clear division in mom talk.
41:50Sinners versus saints.
41:52Zach's parents are very conservative.
41:54They don't smoke.
41:55They don't drink.
41:56I thought it was a graduation party.
41:58You guys are all boring.
42:00We're hosting Luka's baby blessing.
42:03It's like super sacred and spiritual.
42:05You just don't want any bad energy.
42:07I didn't know we were uninvited.
42:08That was to hurt you.
42:09It's kind of like the Mean Girls in a sense
42:11because it's like them three against the world.
42:13Demi, I have a gift for you, though.
42:16Oh, my God.
42:19This was completely intimate and off the table.
42:22It is very hypocritical
42:24because she wants to create this safe space with mom talk.
42:27I just think it's below the belt.
42:30Oh, my God.