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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16We have won the war, but the temperature in India has not gone down at all.
00:22And if you look at the media there, if you listen to what is being said there,
00:25it is being made such an impression that this is just a trailer.
00:28Even the defence minister has said that the real film is yet to be released.
00:32Is it really going to happen?
00:33And it seems that India wants to bait Pakistan,
00:37that perhaps Pakistan should not make the first strike.
00:39They have chosen two hydropower projects on Chenab,
00:42and they have accelerated their work on that.
00:44Today, interestingly, China has made a very interesting announcement.
00:48They have said that we should accelerate our work on the dam here.
00:55So, this also deals with the same water.
00:57So, the water wash is in its place.
00:59Where are we going?
01:00I would like to share with you that Ramachandra Gohak is an Indian historian and author.
01:07He is highly respected and a non-controversial man.
01:11He is a secularist.
01:13He is not opposed to Modi, but he talks about secular India.
01:18In a recent interview, he said something very interesting.
01:20It is a little educated thing, but it is necessary to do so that we understand it.
01:24He said that India's biggest threat is not Pakistan, but Narendra Modi.
01:30And this dehyphenate that took place after the talk of Indo-Pak in the 90s,
01:35when we showed the world that Pakistan is a religious country,
01:40that we are a Hindu, but we are a secular country,
01:43our democracy is running, our economy is running, and so on.
01:48But in the end, he said that now everything has turned upside down.
01:51Here too, a Hindu country has been formed, and they want to make a Hindu country.
01:55And the things that we used to criticize in Pakistan,
02:00we have gone two steps ahead of that.
02:02In fact, one day he said that this movement had started in Gandhi.
02:05And he said that according to me, Narendra Modi is like Indira Gandhi on steroids.
02:10This was a very interesting development, and there are debates going on there.
02:14Now it seems that maybe he should sacrifice his foreign minister,
02:17which he said that I told Pakistan before the attack,
02:19Rahul Gandhi is asking for his head to tell that this is treachery,
02:22that if he had told the Pakistan army before, all these things are going on.
02:26Now he has launched a diplomatic offensive.
02:29So he has made seven teams, which will go to 32 countries.
02:33We have just made one group, it is an eminent group,
02:36but they have made seven groups, something like 59 politicians,
02:40and 8 former ambassadors, and they will go to all the countries,
02:44and there will be a massive offensive launch.
02:46The shameless condition of India is that the group of India is ITV.
02:51They have published a newspaper called Sunday Guardian,
02:54and in it, believe me, whose article is published?
02:57Ehsanullah Ehsan's.
02:59He was a mastermind in the murders of the GOP,
03:01and then he ran away from harassment in Pakistan.
03:04And his articles are being published,
03:07which says that Pakistan is preparing to launch two new attacks.
03:11This kind of atmosphere is being created.
03:13Have we won the war on the ground?
03:15Is Pakistan as apt and as efficient on the battlefield
03:18in the diplomatic front or in the narrative war?
03:25We will talk about this and we will also talk about the rest.
03:26I have joined in the first part of the program,
03:29Assalam-o-Alaikum.
03:31Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Malik, and to your viewers,
03:34Assalam-o-Alaikum from my side.
03:36Mr. Shah, what next?
03:38India seems to be baiting, even on the water,
03:41and in fact, I will tell you two answers.
03:44One was the speech of Narendra Modi,
03:46and then yesterday, the answer of DGISPR was also given.
03:50This is on the 32nd, but listen.
03:52My question to you is that
03:54are we still sitting in exuberance
03:58that we have humiliated them on the battlefield
04:02and now life is hunky-dory?
04:04I will ask you this, but first listen to
04:06what is the complete layout of Narendra Modi?
04:10What is his new normal?
04:12And what is our answer?
04:24First, if there is a terrorist attack on India,
04:28the answer will be given.
04:30We will respond to our conditions in our own way.
04:34And we will go to that place and do a tough operation
04:38from where the terrorist roots come out.
04:42Second, no nuclear blackmail will be tolerated by India.
04:46On the grounds of nuclear blackmail,
04:50India will take precise and decisive action.
04:54Third, we will not look at the terrorist leaders separately.
05:02India's motto is very clear.
05:06Terror and talk cannot be together.
05:10Terror and trade cannot work together.
05:14And water and blood cannot flow together.
05:18We can stop water of 240 million plus people of this country.
05:22They are not, cannot.
05:24I hope that time doesn't come,
05:26but it will be such actions that the world will see.
05:28And the consequences of that need to be felt
05:30for years and decades to come.
05:32Nobody will stop water of Pakistan.
05:36Yes, Mr. Shah, our stance is clear,
05:38his plans are clear, what next?
05:42First of all, what is not going to happen?
05:48There is no question of a war.
05:50No question of another Indian aggression.
05:52Those who have been killed,
05:54you are a student of history,
05:58after 1962, when Pandit Nehru was the Prime Minister of India,
06:04and he had a comprehensive defeat against China,
06:08militarily, diplomatically, politically,
06:10even in terms of media.
06:12After that, India has suffered the biggest defeat,
06:16politically, militarily, diplomatically,
06:20and in terms of media.
06:22And this is the beginning of the end of Mr. Modi.
06:24Politically, I am saying.
06:26So now he will do posturing,
06:28there is a lot of confusion,
06:30the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
06:32A very massive miscalculation has been made,
06:34and we have openly responded to it.
06:38And we have also repaid a lot of old debts,
06:40with a full interest.
06:42Now he will do posturing,
06:44he will do mischief.
06:46I say that he has a 3D strategy towards Pakistan.
06:48What is that?
06:50India's.
06:52Demonize Pakistan.
06:54Propaganda against Pakistan.
06:56Damage Pakistan.
06:58They are going to FATF,
07:00they have reached IMF.
07:02Destabilize Pakistan.
07:04Those who export terror,
07:06whether they are in Balochistan or KP.
07:08They will do this kind of garbage.
07:10And these delegations that have been sent,
07:12have been sent in panic,
07:14to present our position.
07:16There are no buyers for India's narrative,
07:18except Israel.
07:20There is only one country in the world,
07:22that has openly supported them,
07:24and that is Israel.
07:26Neither the international community,
07:28nor America,
07:30nor any other country,
07:32has bought India's narrative.
07:34And if there is international media,
07:36for the first time,
07:38India is shining.
07:40Now it is whining,
07:42that Pakistan has done this.
07:44Now they say, we are the aggrieved party.
07:46But you also said something.
07:48You said in the beginning,
07:50that he will do garbage.
07:52I want to tell you one more thing.
07:54Timothy Garton Ash,
07:56again a very respected man.
07:58He writes in Financial Times,
08:00that Narendra Modi's India,
08:02has nationalist ambitions,
08:04and an obsessive enmity,
08:06towards China-backed Pakistan.
08:08He says that Modi has an obsession,
08:10with Pakistan.
08:12So if there is an obsession,
08:14religious fanaticism,
08:16and I don't understand the West,
08:18he has given a headline in an article,
08:20conflict in the hands of two religious strongmen.
08:22Well, Modi is a religious strongman.
08:24How did Asim Munir,
08:26the Chief of the Army,
08:28become a religious strongman,
08:30if this is the state of ignorance,
08:32and an obsession,
08:34how do you deal with it?
08:36First of all, this comparison is wrong.
08:38Modi is a bigoted,
08:40religious extremist.
08:42And his ideology is Hindutva.
08:44What does Hindutva say?
08:46Akhand Bharat,
08:48Greater India,
08:50in which Afghanistan, Pakistan,
08:52Myanmar, Central Asia, etc.
08:54General Asim Munir is a regular good Muslim,
08:56he is a Hafiz-e-Quran,
08:58and he believes in Pakistan,
09:00and its ideology.
09:02This comparison is totally wrong.
09:04And what you said about China,
09:06what Ash has written in the Financial Times,
09:08China, remember Mr. Malik,
09:10is an excuse.
09:12The real target is Pakistan.
09:14Pakistan is the target.
09:16I am talking about the Hindutva crowd.
09:18But along with hatred,
09:20there is another thing,
09:22they are also afraid of Pakistan.
09:24Because in their mind,
09:26what is the narrative of 1000 years?
09:28They say,
09:30Marauders came,
09:32Mehmood Ghazni also came,
09:34and by the way,
09:362025 is 1000 years of Somnath,
09:38just for your information.
09:40And 100 years of RSS also,
09:42this party ruling.
09:44So they also have this,
09:46to quote them,
09:48they are mad people,
09:50they can do anything.
09:52And as the Chinese say,
09:54they have always been ruled.
09:56India is united only in the Mughal Empire,
09:58or in the British Empire,
10:00where was India a country?
10:02So in that regard,
10:04they have a lot of hatred,
10:06its hate speech, its fascism.
10:08What did Arundhati Roy write in the New York Times?
10:10In today's India,
10:12RSS is a state,
10:14and an architecture of fascism
10:16is being erected in India.
10:18So what Gau Gua has also said,
10:20is basically that,
10:22India is a big country,
10:24a great country,
10:26a civilization also,
10:28there are diverse people,
10:30there are Muslims,
10:32there are Christians,
10:34there are Sikhs,
10:36there are Hindus,
10:38but what they have done is
10:40exclusive, narrow based,
10:42bigoted,
10:44they have kept the basis of
10:46the division of India.
10:48Either Modi will remain,
10:50or the defeat we have inflicted on him.
11:20All those things are there.
11:22It also happens,
11:24whose story you want to believe,
11:26he has big reasons,
11:28economy, big market, regional plans,
11:30I want to know,
11:32what does Pakistan have?
11:34Is the diplomatic front deck
11:36stacked against us?
11:38Are we actually re-hyphenating
11:40India-Pakistan?
11:42Look,
11:44look at the context,
11:46the world we live in,
11:48which has the law of the jungle,
11:50whose stick, whose bands,
11:52unfortunately, might is right.
11:54This is happening.
11:56If we had not demonstrated
11:58the power of 10th May,
12:00and in 10th May,
12:02we had not defeated a big power,
12:04and give them a bloody nose,
12:06or whatever defeat we gave them,
12:08we humiliated them,
12:10being a smaller power,
12:12we have demonstrated that
12:14we have courage, strength,
12:16capability, and intention,
12:18to hit back.
12:20He was a bully, and we did not blink.
12:22He blinked.
12:24This is why we have a newfound confidence
12:26in our country,
12:28and internationally,
12:30a newfound respect.
12:32And remember,
12:34we have benefitted from two things.
12:36One, our alliance with China,
12:38and one, President Trump.
12:40President Trump takes two things
12:42seriously, Mr. Malik.
12:44He is impressed by China,
12:46he is impressed by Xi Jinping,
12:48by Putin,
12:50and he is impressed by Pakistan.
12:52This is because of Trump's arrival.
12:54As I always say,
12:56I supported Trump,
12:58and I said he will be a good leader,
13:00because this traditional American establishment,
13:02which is very pro-India,
13:04by the way,
13:06he is not a cold warrior.
13:08He wants to end wars.
13:10His approach is different.
13:12So he said,
13:14India is a burden for us.
13:16They have put us in a quad,
13:18and they are giving us money.
13:20We stole so much money,
13:22and prepared a big gun.
13:24We told the gunman,
13:26it is a big gun,
13:28China will fight it.
13:30It collapsed in Akhara,
13:32with a small country,
13:34with a small gun.
13:36What is the benefit of this?
13:38Our investment has gone waste.
13:40Next round,
13:42is a battle of narratives.
13:44Exactly.
13:46Battle of ideas.
13:48Public diplomacy,
13:50parliamentary diplomacy,
13:52media diplomacy,
13:54battle of ideas.
13:56You have to present your stance,
13:58convince people,
14:00and prepare a dossier.
14:02But we have seen in the past,
14:04we don't have the stamina for a sustained fight.
14:06Last time,
14:08in October 2020,
14:10a dossier was prepared.
14:12Dossier was on Indian state terrorism.
14:14After that,
14:16we said,
14:18we didn't have strategic clarity towards India.
14:20Trade with India,
14:22do this with India,
14:24we can't do this with India.
14:26Now, in our system,
14:28especially in the military high command,
14:30there is a clear strategic clarity.
14:32We are very clear,
14:34this is the red line,
14:36there is no compromise on
14:38Indian state terrorism or
14:40Indus waters treaty or
14:42Indian state terrorism.
14:44India's strategic clarity
14:46is always against Pakistan.
14:48The 3D strategy,
14:50demonize, damage, destabilize.
14:52We have to have a sustained,
14:54all of nation approach.
14:56We should set our political
14:58house in order.
15:00This is the time.
15:02National unity has emerged.
15:04There is a divide in our armed forces.
15:06People and armed forces are one.
15:08There is no divide between
15:10Khaki and Mufti.
15:12We should use this opportunity.
15:14Battle of narratives,
15:16prepare a smart strategy.
15:18In South Asia,
15:20you didn't prepare a strategy.
15:22Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal,
15:24Maldives are your natural allies.
15:26You have seen in this crisis,
15:28Central Asian countries,
15:30Global South,
15:32they are treating you as
15:34at par with India.
15:36America has revived Kashmir issue.
15:38Goa is worried that
15:40it will reaffinate
15:42and we are at the same level.
15:44It has happened.
15:46Are you becoming
15:48more like Pakistan?
15:50We have stopped becoming
15:52what India is supposed to be.
15:54I am asking you because
15:56they have fired a shot gun
15:58of diplomacy.
16:00We will sell 8 delegations
16:02in 32 countries.
16:04We have fired one delegation.
16:06It will leave soon.
16:08Is that enough?
16:10No, that's not enough.
16:12I don't think our strategy
16:14should be more.
16:16We should have thought of
16:18a reactive approach.
16:20India has announced.
16:22It's not about numbers.
16:24It's about quality, not quantity.
16:26India is not good at diplomacy.
16:28I don't agree that
16:30we are becoming more like Pakistan.
16:32A person like Modi
16:34can never become Prime Minister
16:36in Pakistan.
16:38India has never been an issue
16:40in the elections in the last 30 years.
16:42Every Indian election
16:44has an obsession with Pakistan.
16:46People used to say that
16:48India is not important.
16:50Pakistan is part of their DNA.
16:52Anti-Pakistan or hatred to Pakistan.
16:54Pakistan is a more large hearted
16:56and more big hearted country.
16:58You are media people.
17:00India should see your behavior
17:02and media should see India's behavior.
17:04It's not like Pakistan.
17:06Pakistan is much more
17:08broad based and our approach is different.
17:10We are open minded people.
17:12We don't have any prejudice.
17:14You said something very interesting.
17:16We are strategically confused.
17:18India's strategy on Pakistan is very clear.
17:20We are enemies and we have to finish them.
17:22Modi has a lot of years left.
17:24I don't think he is going to
17:26fall from grace.
17:28He has fell from grace but he will
17:30remain in power.
17:32Should India strategically
17:34look at Pakistan
17:36as a long term enemy?
17:38Should we decide
17:40not to trade
17:42and you can't change neighbors?
17:44What should be our clarity?
17:46India is our enemy.
17:48It's a perpetual threat.
17:50We have to deal with it
17:52as a long term enemy.
17:56I think
17:58Modi and RSS
18:00have a difference.
18:02This is their ideological foreign policy.
18:04They are ideological.
18:06They have come from Hindutva.
18:08They have a Muslim
18:10enmity domestically
18:12and Pakistan is bashing abroad.
18:14As long as they are a crowd,
18:16look at their faces.
18:18Modi, Rajnath Singh,
18:20Ameen Shah, Jai Shankar
18:22they never smile.
18:24They are sulking.
18:26You can see the hatred
18:28in their eyes and faces
18:30when they talk about Muslims
18:32and Pakistan.
18:34India is a big country.
18:36India is not just Modi.
18:38India has Congress,
18:40Communist Party,
18:42Mayawati,
18:44Madam Banerjee,
18:46Samajwadi Dal,
18:48so many people.
18:50India is a huge country.
18:52India is a fragile federation.
18:54Don't forget the Khalistan movement.
18:56On 17th,
18:58Major General Fazlur Rehman
19:00advised Dr. Yunus
19:02that if India attacks Pakistan,
19:04we should take over
19:06the seven northeastern states.
19:08Mizoram, Manipur, Nagaland,
19:10Tripura, Meghalaya, Assam.
19:12The people of Bangladesh
19:14are talking about India's breakup.
19:16Kashmir is a genuine
19:18war of freedom
19:20against a foreign occupation.
19:22You are saying that
19:24the aggressive response
19:26we gave should be
19:28much more aggressive
19:30than our diplomatic
19:32and communicative offensive.
19:34We should spare no effort
19:36in front of the world
19:38or we can lose this
19:40winning war in front of the narrative.
19:42With arguments,
19:44with wisdom,
19:46with courage,
19:48but we should also have
19:50a stamina.
19:52Our leadership does not have
19:54that stamina to sustain it.
19:56They forget it after two months
19:58and move on.
20:00And Mr. Malik,
20:02you have a very historic platform.
20:04UN Security Council.
20:062025-2026,
20:08we are its members for two years.
20:10You have the most apex body.
20:12After this, the newfound
20:14respect for Pakistan
20:16has been created.
20:18The Arab world is weak,
20:20but they say Pakistan has life.
20:22Asian countries are saying,
20:24I have received calls from Nepal,
20:26Bengalis, Maldives, Sri Lanka.
20:28You have done wonders to India.
20:30Modi has been cut down to size.
20:32So there is a respect for Pakistan.
20:34We have to play a leadership role.
20:36I am seeing in the next 10 years,
20:38there will be five major Muslim middle powers.
20:40Pakistan, Turkey, Iran,
20:42Saudi Arabia, Indonesia.
20:44We have to play a role in that.
20:46We have to prepare for that.
20:48Earlier, our leaders were very weak.
20:50They used to say,
20:52we should have a greater self-esteem
20:54about Pakistan and Pakistanis.
20:56Not that they think they are great.
20:58They used to say,
21:00beggars can't be choosers.
21:02What is Pakistan?
21:04We should have that self-esteem.
21:06A country of 25 crore people
21:08has air force, navy,
21:10and people are charged up.
21:14Let it not be said that
21:16we did not rise to the occasion
21:18and we did not prove ourselves
21:20equal to the task.
21:22We have proven ourselves
21:24equal to the task.
21:26I agree with you.
21:28Thank you very much for giving us time.
21:30I think the most important thing
21:32is persistence.
21:34We have an excellent case.
21:36We have to strengthen our case.
21:38We have to strengthen our case.
21:40We have to do it in a full way.
21:42We don't want to be chill.com.
21:44We will take a break.
21:46After the break, we will see
21:48what is happening in domestic politics.
21:56The confusion of the people will be cleared.
21:58But there is another confusion in Pakistan's politics.
22:00What is happening in PTI at this time?
22:02It is very important
22:04because PTI is the largest political party.
22:06But there are mixed statements.
22:08First, Asad Qaisar said
22:10that he will bring a vote of confidence
22:12against the Speaker.
22:14I said something else to him.
22:16Then there was a discussion
22:18and there were denials.
22:20Let me introduce you to my guest.
22:24There was a serious discussion
22:26on the Atma Jamaat.
22:28We have postponed
22:30our activities
22:32on the Atma Jamaat.
22:34We will discuss
22:36whether to do it against the Speaker
22:38or against the Prime Minister.
22:40Their situation is not clear yet.
22:42When the normal situation comes,
22:44then we will do it.
22:46No, no, it is completely fake news.
22:48Pakistan has not made any such decision
22:50against the Prime Minister
22:52or against the Speaker
22:54or against the Deputy Speaker.
22:56We have not held any such meeting
22:58or any such agenda.
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