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Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Dr Jamil Khan (Former Ambassador)
- Ahmad Hassan
“India Is Not Israel, Pakistan Is Not Palestine” - Military Spokesperson’s Message to Modi
“Our Media Exposed Indian Lies” - Bilal Azhar Kayani’s Bold Statement
Why War Is Still a Real Possibility - Dr. Jameel Khan Explains
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Dr Jamil Khan (Former Ambassador)
- Ahmad Hassan
“India Is Not Israel, Pakistan Is Not Palestine” - Military Spokesperson’s Message to Modi
“Our Media Exposed Indian Lies” - Bilal Azhar Kayani’s Bold Statement
Why War Is Still a Real Possibility - Dr. Jameel Khan Explains
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00:00In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Peace be upon you, dear viewers, I hope you are doing well.
00:14I am your host, Ashfaq Ishaq Satti.
00:17If we look at the situation at the global level, Pakistan has decided that our relations with India are not good.
00:27And it is obvious that there is no fault in this. India imposed war on Pakistan.
00:31This is a different matter that he had to face it.
00:33And whatever desires Narendra Modi had, he used to say that thousands of desires are such that every desire comes to fruition.
00:40So, he and his followers were destroyed.
00:42Now, he is sitting with his head down.
00:44When he goes to address someone, he cannot utter a word.
00:47There is no smile on his face.
00:49And he is sitting like a picture of helplessness.
00:51And he keeps trying to lie that we have taught Pakistan a lesson.
00:55If you had taught a lesson, then why did you try to strike at night?
01:01And in the morning, after Pakistan's response, you thought it was appropriate to go to war.
01:05Who gives so much buffer time to someone?
01:07But, obviously, this question should be asked to Narendra Modi.
01:10Godi media could not ask, but now voices are rising from within.
01:14We have seen from the side of Rahul Gandhi that a lot of questions have been raised.
01:18It has been asked that how did Jai Shankar tell India and Pakistan beforehand that we are going to attack?
01:26And he has committed a crime.
01:28The tweet is that Jai Shankar's silence isn't just telling, it's damning.
01:34So, I'll ask again, how many Indian aircraft did we lose because Pakistan knew?
01:38This wasn't a lapse, it was a crime and the nation deserves the truth.
01:43And one more thing, I would like to clarify in front of Rahul Gandhi,
01:48that the situation was such that even if the Indian aircraft had come here,
01:53be it Rafale or MiG-29s, they would have faced the same fate as Rafales,
01:58because we are always ready.
02:00We know what India's mood is, what India's mindset is.
02:03So, our aircraft are always ready to respond.
02:06Now, the situation is that the voices have started to rise.
02:10So, the plan of the four people has been ruined.
02:13So, now they are going to adopt other methods.
02:16One is that they are also sending a delegation under the leadership of Shashri Tharoor and other people,
02:21that because their daal wasn't cooked, they can go there and plot against Pakistan,
02:27and can lobby.
02:28So, Pakistan has formed a committee to counter this issue,
02:32in which, of course, Bilal Bhutto Zardari Sahib will be the head.
02:35Being a foreign minister, he did a very good job.
02:38So, now the issue is that Kashmir has become internationalized.
02:43So, that is a very good thing.
02:45There is a need to work on this further.
02:47Secondly, we have avoided war.
02:49And, of course, we have shown our defensive capability to the enemy.
02:53We have also shown our air superiority to the enemy.
02:56But there are still challenges.
02:57Water is a big challenge.
02:59And it is next to impossible to stop water right now.
03:02But the challenges are that India, which used to get 20% of water through the Chenab River,
03:08is now thinking of expanding that river.
03:10We are hearing the name of Wular Barrage again.
03:13There are many things that are concerning.
03:15So, water is life for Pakistan.
03:17So, we don't want India to make us happy.
03:20So, we need to work on this issue as well.
03:22So, this committee includes Bilal Bhutto, Khurram Dastgir Sahib, Hinar Abani Khar, Jalil Abbas Jilani,
03:28Senator Sherry Rehman, Faisal Sardari and Tamina Janjua.
03:32And the opposition says that there should have been some of our members as well.
03:35So, of course, the government can consider this.
03:37Now, this is one issue.
03:39The second issue is that India has been badly exposed in this matter of terrorism.
03:46And then there is this clarity that the Israeli minds were sitting in India.
03:52And Israel and India are connected.
03:54It has been revealed in the form of drones and their mindset.
03:57But look at how Pakistan responded.
04:00In a beautiful way, DGISPR has also stated it.
04:04It has stated a difference between us and other countries.
04:08And India did not consider itself as Israel.
04:11So, listen to what they said.
04:18Okay, let's listen to it in a few seconds.
04:22So, basically, the intention was that the Israeli mindset is a genocidal mindset.
04:28The way they plundered Gaza, the way they killed innocent people there, martyred them,
04:35looted them, caused millions of dollars loss there.
04:38So, listen to what DGISPR said in comparison to that.
04:52Whatever is happening in Kashmir or elsewhere in India is their internal problem because of oppression.
04:56We are a peace loving nation. But we will, if provoked, if coerced, if aggression is done,
05:02we will be, our retribution will be swift and brutal. There should be no doubt on that.
05:07The reality is that India is not USA and Pakistan is not Afghanistan.
05:11India is no Israel and Pakistan is no Palestine.
05:14The reality is that Pakistan will never be deterred, can never be coerced.
05:19We will never bow down to Indian hegemony.
05:22The sooner they understand it is good for the regional peace as well as for the world peace.
05:49Thank you for your time Ahmed as well.
06:11Ok, Bilaza, the situation now is such that there is a lot of clarity.
06:17Today we are seeing that the statements that are coming out and the way India has been embarrassed
06:22and questions are being raised from within.
06:24Rahul Gandhi has also raised the question that how many planes have crashed.
06:27So, I have said here that even if they had not told us, our preparation was complete.
06:34There should not have been any doubt in this.
06:36In any case, the planes would have crashed. Was it like this?
06:39Yes, thank you very much for inviting me to your show.
06:42Look, I think I know at the risk of repetition.
06:46The thing is that in the last 3-4 weeks, the whole nation and our leadership,
06:53I think the government, Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif Sahib, our army chief,
07:00our army, our nation, our media, I think the way we have all conducted ourselves
07:06over the past 3 weeks, we have a lot to be proud of.
07:09I think on the diplomatic level, on the level of information, on the level of military readiness.
07:13And from day 1 when the Pahalgam incident happened and our first NSE was on 22nd April,
07:17from that day's press release, we had a consistent stance, a responsible stance
07:23and then we did what we said and at no time did we do chess beating.
07:27We did not create a jingoistic atmosphere at any time.
07:30Our media also played a good role and there was no fear at any time in our country
07:35and with a lot of patience, maturity and composure, our leadership and our nation also dealt with it.
07:41So I think we are very proud of it.
07:43Your question is, look, there is no doubt that we had a readiness in this.
07:49We said from day 1 that look, if you make a baseless allegation,
07:55if you make it valid and attack us with a legal aggression,
08:00then we will exercise the right to self-defense and we are ready for that.
08:04I think that maybe in India and maybe in other parts of the world,
08:08maybe there was a delusion that maybe our military readiness is not of that kind
08:14or maybe we have become so much in India's favor that we may not be able to walk the talk.
08:19But Alhamdulillah, our army and our leadership has proved that the readiness that we mentioned,
08:25we also have the resolve of that kind of self-defense.
08:28We also have the capability of that kind of self-defense.
08:31So look, from the first day when they attacked and we dropped six jets and the second,
08:40when they attacked Noor Khan and Shorkot airbases and after that our attack,
08:44not only did we perform these military operations and self-defense acts in a good way,
08:52but at the same time, throughout these times, even during these military successes,
08:57we showed restraint, we showed obedience to international law,
09:03even during these military responses, on the first day, when we dropped six jets,
09:09we could have dropped more.
09:11In the second military response, after the attack on Noor Khan and Shorkot airbases,
09:15the response that we gave, again, we specifically successfully targeted those areas
09:20where their airbases were being used to attack us.
09:23There were missile depots, radar systems.
09:25We targeted military installations.
09:27We did not attack any city.
09:30We also took care of France.
09:33We did not only drop Rafale, we also dropped Su-30, we also dropped AIM-29.
09:38We did it in such a way that they do not feel embarrassed.
09:42I think we are very proud of our army.
09:47I think the Air Force, Army, Navy, I think all of us,
09:51and I think some people in our country,
09:56they too have realized that we should stand up for our army.
10:03I think this time the nation has stood up, so everyone should be praised.
10:06So, definitely, there was readiness.
10:08And, for the future, I have one only hope that India now realizes
10:12that this will not continue.
10:14Only if they were safe enough.
10:15And if there was any doubt about military readiness, it has been removed.
10:17Dr. Jameel, please tell us that the situation now is that of a ceasefire.
10:23What is the difference between a ceasefire and a complete ceasefire, sir?
10:32And do you think, when this situation was there, you were also very active.
10:37We kept watching your analysis according to the situation.
10:40So, is there still a danger of war?
10:43Yes, definitely, there is a danger.
10:46Because, if you look at the reports from India,
10:49and we have also made it very clear,
10:52we have told the whole world,
10:54in fact, what you just said in your intro,
10:58that if we are attacked again,
11:01or if we are attacked again,
11:04as India has repeatedly said,
11:06then in such a situation, it would be swift and brutal.
11:10And before that, we have said that we, our DGISPR,
11:15and these words that should be in military diplomacy,
11:18they have also done it in a very clear way.
11:21And what were those very clear words that the DGISPR said,
11:25and it became a part of foreign policy,
11:28because military diplomacy is a branch of traditional diplomacy.
11:32And to support traditional diplomacy,
11:34military diplomacy is done, and ISPR is a part of it.
11:37So, what did they say about it?
11:39They said that if India strikes us this time,
11:44we are absolutely peaceful people,
11:46we want peace, but if they strike,
11:48or if they stop our water supply,
11:51then the world will see how we respond to that,
11:55and this generation after generation will be remembered.
11:58They have given such a statement,
12:01which is a red line for India,
12:05and India and the entire world would be very conscious about it.
12:09And what they have said,
12:11is absolutely within the international legal framework.
12:15Because water, as you just said in your intro,
12:18is vital to our viewers.
12:20And if water is stopped,
12:22people's lives will be taken away.
12:24Life is not just taken away with bullets and bombs.
12:27People's lives are also taken away in some other way.
12:31And that is to stop water.
12:34Article 51 is also there in the United Nations Charter,
12:37and Article 2.4 is also there in the United Nations Charter.
12:41We should have renegotiated this on our own,
12:45that when we gave them three rivers,
12:47then why should they take 20% water from our three rivers?
12:51Now, by making it the base,
12:53what they are doing is,
12:55the river that used to go to Chenab,
12:57the river they were taking from it,
12:59now they want to expand it.
13:01See, this is nothing new.
13:03They have already increased the height of the Kishan Ganga by 45 feet.
13:07Before that, they did this on the Rattled Dam.
13:10We are aware of this matter.
13:12We are aware of it from the International Tribunal of the World Bank.
13:17But it takes a lot of time,
13:19and a lot of hearings,
13:21and a lot of stages.
13:24Now a new chapter has opened,
13:26after the statement of Donald Trump,
13:28after the statement of our Prime Minister.
13:30After that, we have declared a red line.
13:33And we have told them what we will do.
13:35Our Prime Minister has said that
13:37you have attacked Neelam Jallianam.
13:39If we want, we can do it on all of your water reserves.
13:42So, in this regard,
13:44we can move the article under Chapter 7 of the United Nations Charter.
13:51Article 39.
13:52And I understand, in the coming days,
13:54because India,
13:55earlier America used to veto it.
13:57This time, its chances are less.
13:59If this resolution is moved,
14:01the world can do it.
14:02We can do it too.
14:03And it is possible that this resolution will be moved.
14:06Because under the Indus Water Treaty,
14:08it can take a lot of time.
14:10But if the resolution is moved under Chapter 7,
14:13and which can be done in such cases,
14:15that is Article 39,
14:17under which they can restrict India
14:21to keep it as it is,
14:23until the Tribunal makes a decision.
14:29Okay.
14:30We will come to this later.
14:32Ahmed, please tell me,
14:34first of all, your assessment,
14:37because you also faced their media,
14:39and the way they were misbehaving,
14:42you also gave them an answer.
14:44You also spoke to us.
14:46Now, what do you think,
14:48what is the condition of their media?
14:50And what is the condition of Narendra Modi?
14:53Rahul Gandhi is raising questions.
14:55And Jai Shankar was a great diplomat.
14:58He was an ambassador in China.
15:00And from 2009-2013 onwards,
15:02he worked as the Foreign Minister.
15:06But to give such a statement,
15:08which everyone is surprised about,
15:10that we told Pakistan that we will work there,
15:12but they kept their hands tied.
15:14Now, they are being asked questions.
15:16So, your thoughts on all that.
15:18See, thank you very much.
15:20In this, the view of Hindutva,
15:23the ideology of Hindutva of RSS,
15:26is very difficult to pull off in today's era.
15:29And this was a miscalculation.
15:31The entire BJP,
15:33and their infrastructure of Hindutva,
15:35in which Modi, Narendra Modi, Mohan Bhagwat, RSS,
15:38Jai Shankar, Rajat Kumar Doval, Rajnath Singh, Amit Shah,
15:41these people are included.
15:43The view they were following,
15:45it was very difficult to pull it off.
15:47About Pakistan, the rhetoric,
15:49the narrative they had built,
15:51that Pakistan is so strong,
15:53and this is the power of our economy,
15:55and this is the power of our military.
15:57They say, until there is no war,
15:59all the rhetoric remains rhetoric.
16:01In the war, we know how much substance
16:03is there in that rhetoric.
16:05So, when the war machines came in front,
16:07after that you clearly saw
16:09how much panic they had inside.
16:11Every fissure of theirs,
16:13in Pakistan, you saw
16:15that all the divides of Pakistan,
16:17they were filled up,
16:19they stood behind the army.
16:21In India, on the other hand,
16:23you saw that the division increased
16:25more and more,
16:27whether there were incidences
16:29or freedom movements,
16:31whether there were rebellions
16:33inside the army,
16:35whether there were political fissures.
16:37You have seen how Congress
16:39has put a dagger inside the BJP
16:41and they are just twisting it.
16:43Every other day, Congress has put
16:45a new allegation on them,
16:47you can imagine.
16:49The kind of statements
16:51that Subramanian Swamy has given
16:53on Shashi Taroor,
16:55that he sent him there,
16:57this person was not capable
16:59and the personal attacks
17:01and all that happened on him,
17:03you can imagine.
17:05So, you can see chaos inside
17:07them in panic and war,
17:09because clearly they were not
17:11ready for this war.
17:13And in the same context,
17:15the important thing that you
17:17just questioned, whether India
17:19can attack again or not,
17:21my assessment, my negative opinion,
17:23which I am observing,
17:25their political rhetoric,
17:27be it Rajnath Singh or Modi,
17:29their internal political environment,
17:31the way the BJP and Congress
17:33are putting pressure on them,
17:35the way the western war industry
17:37is pressurizing them,
17:39I personally think that
17:41in the next 15-20 days,
17:43if before Eid-ul-Adha,
17:45India does not do another
17:47misadventure against Pakistan,
17:49then it would be a miracle.
17:51But based on what?
17:53The assessment that I told you,
17:55the situation on the ground,
17:57if Modi waits more than a limit,
17:59the rebellion that has taken place
18:01within them in the BJP,
18:03who are talking about removing
18:05Modi, bringing in Yogi,
18:07who are asserting Congress pressure,
18:09their troops movement,
18:11their diplomatic body language
18:13all over the world,
18:15and most importantly,
18:17the statements of their politicians,
18:19which Jai Shankar said,
18:21Rajnath Singh said that
18:23there is a trailer, a film is coming,
18:25which Modi said that Operation
18:27Sindoor has been postponed,
18:29if they delay more than a limit,
18:31then there is so much sentiment
18:33against Modi within BJP
18:35and within the Indian Parliament
18:37that Modi will have to be replaced.
18:39Mr. Bilal, do you think this is possible?
18:41Why do I think this is not possible?
18:43First of all, the American intervention,
18:45the trade talks,
18:47and secondly, the role played in
18:49stopping the war. Number one.
18:51Number two, an incident on which
18:53you had no evidence, but you
18:55carried out an investigation,
18:57and on top of that, your
18:59Ministry of External Affairs
19:01translator said that when the
19:03question was asked, it is an
19:05ongoing investigation.
19:07If you say that we have taught
19:09Pakistan a lesson,
19:11they will say the same to themselves.
19:13In spite of that, on what grounds,
19:15as Ahmed is saying,
19:17can they do such nonsense again?
19:19Look, Mr. Satti,
19:21what grounds were there
19:23before?
19:25Grounds don't matter.
19:27But you didn't get the international
19:29support you needed.
19:31Look, Mr. Satti, I think I understand
19:33that you have got analysts,
19:35and they can make an informed
19:37guess on what may or may not happen.
19:39But I think the fundamental thing
19:41on the governmental level,
19:43as it was before,
19:45you work and hope for the best,
19:47but you are prepared for the worst.
19:49So we should be ready for all eventualities.
19:51Even today, if you look at it,
19:53after our victory in the military war,
19:55there is a ceasefire,
19:57but an information or diplomatic
19:59war is going on on a daily basis.
20:01You just saw that the Prime Minister
20:03has just been appointed.
20:05Mr. Bilawal Bhutto is going on a
20:07vacation.
20:09And there are other people as well.
20:11So basically, a diplomatic war is going on.
20:13Thank God, we are standing on the right path.
20:15We have not taken a single misstep
20:17in this entire episode.
20:19That is why we have a very strong case
20:21to plead. But in the world of today,
20:23on the diplomatic and information
20:25levels, we have to constantly
20:27confront lies with truth.
20:29Because it is an age of misinformation
20:31So we will continue that.
20:33But we have to constantly remain on alert.
20:35And I think,
20:37since the incident of Pahalgam,
20:39and we understood from that day,
20:41that they can make it an excuse
20:43for some misadventure.
20:45Since then, the readiness that has been there,
20:47I think, even today, the readiness of our state...
20:49If someone thinks that after the ceasefire,
20:51there has been some relaxation
20:53or some kind of complacency
20:55in that readiness,
20:57then I think people are wrong.
20:59In this list, there is an objection
21:01from the opposition that some people
21:03should have taken it from there as well.
21:05Because experts are on both sides.
21:07Look, we welcome it.
21:09You are a Pakistani, right?
21:11So, on your level,
21:13this is a government delegation.
21:15Government delegation, right?
21:17There will be government people in the government delegation.
21:19And our allies are with us.
21:21So, if you...
21:23No, no, you go and do it.
21:25There is no restriction.
21:27If you were the governor of the government of Pakistan,
21:29it would have been better.
21:31I think that you go and...
21:33As a party, you play a role.
21:35Don't do what R. F. Alvi
21:37did a week or two ago
21:39on CNN.
21:41That's not what is required.
21:43And that was the polar opposite of what we need.
21:45But I think that all of you
21:47can play your role.
21:49Or use the leverage that they have.
21:51Towards helping Pakistan.
21:53Yes, everyone should play their role.
21:55I think we should expect...
21:57Anything can be expected any day.
21:59And I think our state,
22:01our army,
22:03we stand ready for any eventuality.
22:05Alhamdulillah.
22:07Dr. Sir, the committee that has been formed,
22:09what is your take on it?
22:11Is it right? More people should be included.
22:13The opposition should get representation.
22:15And that too on the basis that
22:17everyone will plead the case of Pakistan internationally.
22:19And the more, the merrier.
22:21What do you think?
22:23What is your assessment on this?
22:25My dear brother, I am the person
22:27who has seen Sashi Taur working closely.
22:29And also Bilawal Bhutto.
22:31Even before Bilawal Bhutto
22:33became the Foreign Minister,
22:35in November of this year,
22:37I took him there.
22:39He was wearing a jeans trouser.
22:41And the UK Foreign Minister was there
22:43when I was an ambassador in the UAE.
22:45I gave him an informal meeting.
22:47I gave him 17 points.
22:49He did it in a very beautiful way.
22:51And I had an assessment that
22:53yes, there is potential in this.
22:55And later, as the Foreign Minister,
22:57he said, look, what should happen?
22:59And what happens?
23:01The question was that the other members
23:03could have been better members.
23:05Because if Sashi Taur, as a member of the Congress,
23:07that is, the opposition,
23:09can go to the Indian delegation,
23:11then this is my position from here.
23:13This could have happened from here as well.
23:15There are 25 crore people in Pakistan.
23:17They are ruling people.
23:19There are such people among the ruling people
23:21that when they go there and speak,
23:23in the outside world,
23:25they speak at their own frequency.
23:27CNN runs after them.
23:29Al Jazeera runs after them.
23:31We need this kind of dynamism.
23:33This is what we sometimes lack.
23:35And if you say, I will also prove it
23:37that what I saw.
23:39Because at that time it was not the government,
23:41it was someone else.
23:43But what I saw, our delegations
23:45are better this time.
23:47It could have been that our technocrats
23:49who have been included,
23:51are good,
23:53but our frequency,
23:55that tone, that texture,
23:57that accent, see Bilawal.
23:59He is in it.
24:01He is alive in it.
24:03But if you look at the comparison
24:05of Bilawal and Sashi Taur,
24:07because I said that I was in the United Nations,
24:09so I have served for nine and a half years.
24:11So the depth in Sashi Taur,
24:13at this age,
24:15it is difficult to come here.
24:17Some think-tank people should be sent.
24:19If not sent, then send now.
24:21So that Bilawal is prepared daily.
24:23And by preparing daily,
24:25because the world will also see
24:27wherever we go. You said that
24:29India can attack or not.
24:31Our ISPR says that
24:33yes, it can flare up anytime.
24:35And what is being done in the world
24:37right now,
24:39from India,
24:41according to my estimate,
24:43I have indicators
24:45that I can further develop
24:47this argument.
24:49If you want,
24:51that is, after the year of Zain,
24:53India wants to make the world know
24:55that it will not reach the
24:57nuclear flashpoint.
24:59You control Pakistan.
25:01We have to do this.
25:03So this kind of thing can happen.
25:05And for that, as our government representatives
25:07have said, they said that
25:09we are fully prepared.
25:11What can they do? What can they not do?
25:13Ahmed, please tell me
25:15that their
25:17war-mongering thinking
25:19or they say that
25:21we fired the missile
25:23Al-Fateh-1, Al-Fateh-2
25:25and we did it in advance.
25:27We did not do it in the dark of the night.
25:29We did it in the morning, after the call of dawn.
25:31In that, they are saying that
25:33they had fired the Shaheen missile
25:35in Pakistan.
25:37And we intercepted it
25:39with our systems.
25:41But Pakistan did this.
25:43Pakistan fired a nuclear-capable missile.
25:45If we had to fire these missiles,
25:47we would have fired Ghaznavi.
25:49If we had to fire,
25:51we would have fired Babur cruise missile.
25:53We have so many other options.
25:55Shaheen, which is a longer-range
25:57missile, a ballistic missile,
25:59what is the need to fire it?
26:01And that too for conventional use.
26:03Your thoughts on that, sir?
26:05Look, it is exactly like this.
26:07Shaheen is another false claim
26:09of the media.
26:11Just like they made a seaport in Lahore,
26:13this is also a similar claim.
26:15And there is absolutely no reality in this.
26:17When Shaheen is actually fired
26:19or intercepted, you have proof.
26:21Things come on your radar.
26:23You bring the evidence in front of you.
26:25You dig in a social media on TV,
26:27where they are breaking
26:29this whole story.
26:31At the end, its source is posted
26:33by an anonymous account on a social media.
26:35So, there is absolutely no reality.
26:37If this had happened,
26:39America, which has more than 200 satellites,
26:41wouldn't have known that a missile
26:43is coming back from space.
26:45And they wouldn't have known.
26:47Yes, it is exactly like that.
26:49I had also tweeted that if Shaheen
26:51had been fired, the whole world would have
26:53known that he was fired.
26:55You wouldn't have needed
26:57the support of a social media post.
26:59But again, Indian media is the
27:01principle of propaganda.
27:03It is the only media in India
27:05whose 100% propaganda is based on lies.
27:07It has no foundation.
27:09So, there is absolutely no reality.
27:11There is no need to pay attention to this.
27:13Okay. Let's take a break.
27:15We will continue the discussion after the break.
27:17Stay with us.
27:21Ladies and gentlemen,
27:23after the break, once again,
27:25I welcome you all.
27:27One more issue that we have to talk about
27:29is about water.
27:31And obviously,
27:33the diplomacy between India and Pakistan
27:35and the western powers,
27:37like Donald Trump,
27:39who had tweeted about war,
27:41it is important to sort this out.
27:43Mr. Bilal,
27:45this issue,
27:47the canal that you are talking about,
27:49the Ranbir Canal,
27:51it should be lengthened.
27:53And secondly,
27:55the water that flows from it
27:57is approximately 40 cubic meters
27:59per second.
28:01Now, they want to increase it
28:03to 150 cubic meters per second.
28:05What is the issue in this?
28:07It will take some time.
28:09The issue is that
28:11some people used to say that
28:13water cannot be stopped.
28:15India does not have the capacity
28:17to stop water.
28:19But during the time of Bagliyar
28:21and during the time of Krishna Ganga,
28:23they have made canals and tunnels
28:25to divert the water.
28:27That would be very problematic
28:29for Pakistan.
28:31What should be done in this regard?
28:33Mr. Satti,
28:35it is very simple.
28:37If we have
28:39a reduction in the flow of water,
28:41we are interested in that.
28:43And so,
28:45you remember the press release
28:47of NSC. At that time,
28:49we said it would be an act of war.
28:51I think,
28:53our legal position is very clear
28:55regarding the Indus Waters Treaty.
28:57As far as the rest is concerned,
28:59we have a legal recourse
29:01if this thing,
29:03if India moves forward
29:05or serves our right
29:07in any way,
29:09there will be zero tolerance.
29:11But there are two things in this.
29:13First, we have a legal recourse.
29:15Act of war?
29:17No, I am just telling you
29:19the press release of NSC.
29:21If you compromise the water of 24-25 crores,
29:23then there can be no compromise.
29:25So, anyway,
29:27because we are in a ceasefire,
29:29and if it becomes a ground
29:31for the prevailing of sanity,
29:33then it is a good thing.
29:35But the way I am talking about their thinking,
29:37what you are saying,
29:39act of war,
29:41there are rules of engagement in it.
29:43For example,
29:45if they stop the water so much,
29:47will we preemptively strike?
29:49I can't speculate on that at the moment.
29:51But when after the incident of Pehlgam,
29:53and after a baseless allegation
29:55on Pakistan,
29:57when India had announced
29:59about the water,
30:01the inter-spotted treaty,
30:03holding in abeyance,
30:05there was a press release of NSC,
30:07in which the Prime Minister
30:09chaired the National Security Committee,
30:11the cabinet members were present,
30:13and after that,
30:15the position of our government
30:17was in front of you.
30:19If we do this,
30:21then all options will be available.
30:23There will be a legal recourse
30:25in the inter-spotted treaty,
30:27that no one can hold this treaty in abeyance.
30:29Secondly,
30:31this will come under the
30:33right of self-defense.
30:35And frankly,
30:37unfortunately,
30:39we have seen that
30:41the deterioration of the international
30:43rules-based order,
30:45has never happened.
30:47We are confident in being able to protect
30:49our interests and protect ourselves.
30:51We have proven this.
30:53And God willing,
30:55we will prove it in the future.
30:57But look,
30:59the Ceasefire that has been achieved,
31:01if even today,
31:03on the basis of that,
31:05a sane resolution is passed
31:07on our important right,
31:09and a permanent solution
31:11is passed,
31:13then it will be a good thing.
31:15The forces of this country,
31:17everyone is ready for all eventualities.
31:45And what will be their role?
31:47And what will we understand
31:49that they are still in abeyance,
31:51but when will we understand
31:53that enough is enough
31:55and we will have to do something
31:57pre-emptively?
31:59Look, I will give you
32:01a few international law quotes
32:03and then I will talk about myself.
32:05The representative of the government
32:07has already told you
32:09what the government has resolved.
32:11The points of the National Security Committee
32:13and the points of the National Security Committee
32:15have become a major part
32:17of our foreign policy.
32:19Now it comes to whether it was wrong
32:21or right what India did.
32:23It was wrong. Why was it wrong?
32:25It was wrong on international laws.
32:27Why does Allah say it was wrong?
32:29Because there is no mention of held in abeyance
32:31in the Indus Water Treaty.
32:33If any of the treaties is held in abeyance
32:35or suspended,
32:37then there is an article 42
32:39of the Geneva Convention
32:41which has to be repealed.
32:43I will explain it to you.
32:49Doctor, we are trying to connect with you
32:51but we are not able to hear you.
32:53Tell me,
32:55one factor is that
32:57on this issue,
32:59the Indian aggression
33:01and one of their plans was
33:03to stop the water of Pakistan.
33:05Now 80% of Pakistan
33:07relies on Indus water.
33:09What do you think should be the mechanism
33:11and do you think Trump
33:13will be able to play an important role in this?
33:15I will call him again.
33:17I will call him again.
33:19Doctor, you have come with us.
33:21We can hear you, sir.
33:23We can hear you.
33:25I will take an answer from Ahmed.
33:27I will take an answer from Ahmed.
33:29I am saying to you
33:31that
33:33the global order
33:35that is in place
33:37is a neorealistic world order.
33:39The neoliberal world order has collapsed.
33:41As far as the treaties are concerned
33:43or the guarantors are concerned,
33:45the Indus water treaty
33:47was the biggest
33:49treaty and resolution
33:51and the biggest understanding was about Kashmir.
33:53The 370 and 35A.
33:55When they did not accept that
33:57and removed the UN body from Delhi,
33:59then you should know
34:01that your guarantors
34:03and their scope of influence in the world has changed.
34:05The Indus water treaty
34:07or in simple words,
34:09the thing that is
34:11our biggest guarantee
34:13that India will not stop our water
34:15is not outward. It is not America.
34:17It is not China. It is not Russia.
34:19It is not the power of the world.
34:21It is the army of Pakistan.
34:23And the capacity of these armies
34:25to protect their interests
34:27and how much damage they can inflict
34:29will guarantee that India
34:31will stop our water or not.
34:33The representatives of the government
34:35told us very clearly
34:37at the National Security Council meeting
34:39that this is an act of war.
34:41We will take it as an act of war.
34:43And when this happens,
34:45then the pre-emptive strike
34:47that you said Pakistan will do,
34:49they will
34:51analyse the situation in half an hour.
34:53The reason why I am asking this
34:55is because right now,
34:57June is about to start.
34:59Temperatures are sub-zero in Ladakh
35:01and Madhya Pradesh.
35:03There is not enough water in India.
35:05But if glaciers melt,
35:07then water will start coming in June.
35:09And then this thing is going to heat up.
35:11Then we will know how much water is coming,
35:13how much is being stopped,
35:15how much is being diverted.
35:17So that's why I am asking this question.
35:19Yes, absolutely.
35:21I am telling you that
35:23when our flow stops,
35:25then every option will be on the table.
35:27Pre-emptive strike in itself,
35:29there will be no end to it.
35:31Secondly, the basic thing is that
35:33stopping the water-industry treaty
35:35is not their aim.
35:37Their aim is bigger than this.
35:39Their aim is Pakistan's destruction.
35:41Their aim is to stop the water.
35:43So we have to look at this larger picture
35:45and design our strategy.
35:47And I am very hopeful that it will be designed in that way.
35:49Inshallah. Dr. Jameel,
35:51briefly tell me,
35:53the role that Trump is playing,
35:55obviously, there are many things
35:57in which he has supported Pakistan.
35:59Pakistan has a very important role.
36:01Thankfully, it has been accepted.
36:03But along with that,
36:05he has unlimited support for Israel.
36:07And Israel is aligned with India.
36:09So, how would that serve Pakistan
36:11in the longer term?
36:13If we talk about the Kashmir dispute.
36:15In terms of geopolitical landscape,
36:17you are asking this question.
36:19Yes, in terms of geopolitical landscape,
36:21you have asked this question.
36:23But I will answer it briefly.
36:25There will be one or two lines left,
36:27which were being discussed earlier
36:29regarding the Indus water treaty.
36:31There are a lot of laws in that.
36:33I will take it after 30 seconds.
36:35The question is, Israel.
36:37Israel is the United States.
36:39America and America is Israel.
36:41I am not saying this.
36:43Their leaders have said this.
36:45Therefore, it is a fact that
36:47in the geopolitical landscape,
36:49Israel will always support Taliban.
36:51The question is, India,
36:53which is their ally,
36:55and which is a part of their alliance.
36:57How can they leave India?
36:59It is very difficult.
37:01I will take answer from Mr. Bilal.
37:03Mr. Bilal, what are your thoughts?
37:05Trump's involvement in this,
37:07and Israel-India factor.
37:09Look, it is not necessary
37:11that we agree with everything
37:13in global politics.
37:15But we appreciate the role
37:17they have played in this ceasefire.
37:19And if they play a role,
37:21we will welcome it.
37:23To that extent,
37:25you saw the Prime Minister,
37:27he appreciated the role.
37:29If they play a role like this,
37:31we welcome it.
37:33Thank you so much for your time.
37:35Mr. Jamil, thank you very much.
37:37Ahmed, thank you for being with us.
37:39We will take a break here.
37:41After the break,
37:43we will conclude the program.
37:45At the end of the program,
37:47Pakistan is ready.
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