The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 10
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00:00We came to stop G I R L S
00:03It's my girl and yes I
00:05This is for the girls
00:08All around the world
00:10If you got it come and get it
00:12Come and get it
00:14Come and get it
00:16Come and get it
00:18Hi! How are you?
00:20Oh my god. Good.
00:22I brought you a little present. Oh my gosh.
00:24Just cause you weren't at the girls trip
00:26and we missed you so
00:28I wanted to bring you something back from New Orleans.
00:30That's so nice of you.
00:32Let me hold baby.
00:34I feel really bad that I didn't stick up for Taylor at the
00:36Saint and Sinners party and in New Orleans
00:38and I'm honestly really sick of Demi's behavior
00:40recently and I want to make up for
00:42not being able to stick up for her and be a better
00:44friend and that's all going to start with beignets.
00:46How was the trip?
00:48It was good.
00:50New Orleans is definitely different.
00:52Oh beignets. Oh how fun.
00:54It's like you have New Orleans at home.
00:56I didn't even have to leave Utah. Thank you.
00:58Do you want me to grab them back or?
01:00Honestly I'll take them. Okay.
01:02Adore him.
01:04Single mom life is so freaking hard.
01:06I just know he's like
01:08so tired but he fights sleep so.
01:10So like what was your
01:12reasoning for not coming?
01:14Um I just felt like
01:16with the Saints and Sinners party
01:18I felt very like alone
01:20so I felt like I didn't want to go into
01:22a trip being in that
01:24same spot and then I feel like with
01:26Demi like bringing up like my lowest point
01:28in my life is just insane.
01:30So should we talk about the way that you treat your
01:32boyfriend? It's not okay.
01:34He has my history.
01:36Let's go ask Dakota.
01:38I'm going to protect your ever
01:40in this situation. She went to a different level
01:42and so I just felt like I didn't want to be
01:44in a house with her
01:46for the weekend.
01:48Okay.
01:50A little
01:52jumper. Those things are the best
01:54because it keeps them contained.
01:56I think definitely there's
01:58like hard feelings that she has
02:00towards you still because in Merlin she said that
02:02like if you're in Montauk
02:04then like she would like leave Montauk.
02:06Bitch what? Like you're a bully
02:08in what world? Not only to me but half
02:10the group. You are not
02:12some Saint that you think you are.
02:14Huh. No she needs
02:16Jesus. That's true.
02:18Hi.
02:20Hey. I was going to come get the door but I know you
02:22always walk in. Oh hey how's it going?
02:24You look pretty. Oh you're so nice.
02:26Oh just working today
02:28so. Oh are you? How's everything going with
02:30you? I haven't seen you in a minute. Good. I'm just
02:32filling her in on New Orleans drama.
02:34Oh was there a lot of drama?
02:36I think just Demi has
02:38a lot of very
02:40harsh feeling towards Tay right now
02:42and just basically
02:44like her general consensus
02:46was just that if Taylor's in Montauk
02:48she doesn't want to be in Montauk. No way.
02:50Yeah. Oh my. Well let her go.
02:52Hey. Hey.
02:54Hey buddy. You want to get out? Hey buddy. I'm trying to talk.
02:56You said I'm
02:58a musician. He's so cute.
03:00So I guess with that being said
03:02I feel like it's going to make things like super awkward
03:04that she's throwing the Christmas
03:06party.
03:08But it's like her thing.
03:10What?
03:12Babe
03:14I don't think you're going to go to that. Why?
03:16Demi probably doesn't
03:18want you there. Then why did she
03:20invite me? I think that she may
03:22have accidentally invited you
03:24but she maybe forgot you were on that
03:26group thread and then sent
03:28out the invite.
03:30I don't know
03:32what he's trying to do or where he's going.
03:34Did you already buy your dress and everything to go?
03:36Um yeah I had everything
03:38planned. That sucks. Yeah.
03:40It's obviously unfortunate because it's just like
03:42I feel like she's trying to turn everyone against
03:44me and I don't like that.
03:46I wouldn't either.
03:48The only thing less Mormon than
03:50being uninvited to a Christmas party
03:52would be uninvited to a baby blessing
03:54and both have happened to me. And I feel
03:56like karma's a bitch so I'm going to let it do
03:58its thing. I'm not going to tell
04:00you not to come to the Christmas party.
04:02I think that's your say. You're a grown woman
04:04and you can make your own decisions for yourself.
04:06But I will say that it
04:08probably won't go over well
04:10if you do come. Or I can just go
04:12crash their party for you.
04:14I'll put my boxing gloves
04:16on. Just kidding.
04:18I would never really want to go to a party
04:20that I'm uninvited to but I'm
04:22not letting Jimmy off the hook that easily.
04:24If you want to push me out, you're gonna
04:26have to say it to my face.
04:28One.
04:38Two.
04:40Three.
04:42Four.
04:44Five.
04:46Six.
04:48Seven.
04:50Eight.
04:52Nine.
04:54Ten.
04:56Eleven.
04:58Twelve.
05:00Thirteen.
05:02Fourteen.
05:04Fifteen.
05:06Sixteen.
05:08Seventeen.
05:18All I want for Christmas is
05:22a pink Bentley.
05:32After New Orleans, it's just been
05:34so noisy and chaotic
05:36and I'm wanting to wrap up
05:38the year of mom talk
05:40in a positive way.
05:42Hello.
05:44Shut up.
05:46You look stunning.
05:48You look amazing.
05:50Oh, beautiful.
05:52I love this color on you.
05:54Hi. Hello.
05:56Welcome.
05:58Hi. Gorgeous.
06:00No, like literally, I don't know who you are.
06:02I'm like weirded out.
06:04I'm like, I don't, you really
06:06don't look like yourself.
06:08I have vocally
06:10expressed how I don't really see a need
06:12for Taylor in mom talk.
06:14I don't know where everyone else kind of falls
06:16in with that, but I am just
06:18hoping that this night proves we're better off
06:20without her and that we can experience
06:22a new place that we've never been before.
06:24Oh, they got blankets.
06:26The lake.
06:28The snow.
06:30You're so monochromatic
06:32today. You look like a mob wife.
06:34I know. So fancy.
06:36I know. I'm glad you guys were all
06:38fulfilling my fantasy.
06:40Everyone looks so cute.
06:42Oh, shit.
06:44Are you okay?
06:46How are you?
06:48She's inside feeding Billy.
06:50We have to go inside. My toes are literally
06:52going to fall.
06:54You look amazing.
06:56You guys look amazing.
06:58I'm gonna bust out
07:00some champagne for those that want it.
07:02I know you two are pregnant.
07:04We get first dibs.
07:10I love champagne.
07:12I've never had champagne.
07:14Can we do a little toast really quick?
07:16I always feel like these events
07:18are supposed to be fun, but Demi's
07:20basically trying to kick Taylor out of mom talk
07:22and it's putting all of us in an uncomfortable
07:24situation between her and Taylor and it just
07:26doesn't feel fair. Thank you all for coming
07:28tonight. This was such a special night.
07:30Cheers to another
07:32year of mom talk surviving
07:34and to many more
07:36years to come. Love you all.
07:38Merry Christmas.
07:40Hold, hold, hold, hold.
07:42Perfect. P.S. Dad talk.
07:44So far so good.
07:46Tonight is going amazing.
07:48Oh, more meatballs. Perfect.
07:50I feel like there's gonna be minimal drama
07:52because Taylor's not here
07:54and things are looking up for us
07:56right now.
08:00What are you guys whispering about?
08:02Don't you know what our whole group is known for?
08:04Secrets.
08:06Okay, let's go set.
08:16Hi, Leah. Hello.
08:18How are you? Good.
08:20Oh, shit.
08:22What are you doing?
08:24Just coming to drop
08:26off a present.
08:28Do you come bearing gifts?
08:30Yes. Who is this for?
08:32For you, from Taylor.
08:34What the hell is Leanne doing here?
08:36Let your daughter fight her own battles.
08:38Please. I would never be caught
08:40dead in this situation if this
08:42were my daughter. Did you just come alone?
08:44Yeah, I just came alone. Things have been nuts.
08:46Do you want to sit down and talk for a minute? Sure.
08:48Let's do it. This is such an interesting, weird
08:50moment. This feels like when
08:52she called you for not showing up to Taylor's
08:54shower. Leanne.
08:56Hey, Whitney.
08:58Yeah. This is Leanne,
09:00Tay's mom. How's it going?
09:02Good. What's up? Good. I was just
09:04calling because I noticed you weren't here.
09:06Your mom called Whitney.
09:08Oh, my gosh.
09:10I mean, to be frank,
09:12this is very on brand for Leanne.
09:14So, what's going on?
09:16What's going on with Taylor? Oh, I don't know.
09:18That's what I was kind of wanting to
09:20find out from you.
09:22Yeah. You know, the obvious
09:24elephant in the room is just kind of
09:26the online stuff that's
09:28been going on. I kind of was like
09:30with her on this. This was such a
09:32huge thing for her to go and
09:34be on the CMAs.
09:36And I thought that was odd, too,
09:38that none of you guys.
09:40It just kind of seems weird. Like, are they jealous
09:42of you? Are they mad because
09:44they didn't get picked to go?
09:46Yes, that was strange. We all can agree.
09:48Do you agree with the way that she went about it?
09:50I think she did it as
09:52funny, like being really
09:54catty and petty, you know?
09:56And she did it, and then it just got
09:58out of hand. Do you think that she needs
10:00someone to go over there? Me?
10:02Yeah. Maybe, but...
10:04You're voted in.
10:06It's you. You're the best friend.
10:08Leanne's my client.
10:10This has gotten to the point
10:12where I've seen it happen with other people.
10:14I've watched it happen online,
10:16mixed in with the fact that I'm having Dakota
10:18calling, saying all the things that are happening
10:20behind closed doors in their relationship.
10:22So that's what is concerning to me.
10:24It's like, you care about her well-being or her
10:26family or whatever, but
10:28it just seems like you want to be like
10:30Queen B. and trying to be
10:32like, okay, let's get Taylor out of the picture
10:34because now I want to be Taylor.
10:38I've listened to Taylor's side for three
10:40years, and I understand that
10:42the situation at hand is toxic.
10:44That's where we're like, walk away. Like, stop
10:46doing it for the kids. You okay? Oh, yes.
10:48Okay, you're good. Yes. Okay, cool.
10:50As a friend, you should go try
10:52to see, like, what's wrong with you, Taylor?
10:54What can I do
10:56to get you, like, some help?
10:58What can I do to make your load
11:00less? I mean, she's a single mom.
11:02I hope you understood, and
11:04I've been a single mom as well, and I've
11:06gone through very similar things that she has.
11:08I have texted her over 30 times
11:10just texting her to check in
11:12on her. Demi was a single mom for a month.
11:16Guess how many times she's done that for me?
11:18Not once. Because right now, not one
11:20time. I mean, right now, she can't. It's like
11:22three years. She is... I know, but
11:24she never has. She never has.
11:26More than anything, I just like
11:28want to be there for Demi,
11:30and this conversation is just getting
11:32more and more heated. I mean, I get it.
11:34Like, Leigh-Anne is Taylor's mom.
11:36She wants to stand up for Taylor, but I'm just like,
11:38why are you enabling this behavior?
11:40Why do you think that we're in the wrong right now?
11:42Why isn't your daughter in
11:44the wrong? How can you not see that?
11:46I want you to know in the three years, I've also
11:48gone through a divorce. I've dealt with
11:50fertility issues, marital,
11:52financial issues, and not one
11:54time in three years has she called
11:56and checked in on me. And that's not just me.
11:58That's the group.
12:09Uh-oh, I think Leigh-Anne's upset.
12:11She's like...
12:13She is a great
12:15person. Like, she's the one that
12:17brought you guys all together, whether you
12:19think so or not.
12:21When she was in her deepest...
12:26Deepest part of her life.
12:28You know, like, all her friends
12:30that, like, just disowned her. And to see
12:32her...
12:34her friends, her so-called
12:36friends, like, bash
12:38her. I'm so sick,
12:40especially with Taylor, of
12:42her getting a pass because she's going through hard
12:44things and saying, well, that's
12:46just how she is. Welcome to the real
12:48world, Taylor. This sucks.
12:50Fucking sucked for us, too.
12:58Welcome to the real world, Taylor. This sucked.
13:00Fucking sucked for us, too.
13:02Stop posting online.
13:04Actually care about your
13:06friends like we care about you.
13:08There's no way to spin this as though
13:10she's the victim. She's not the victim here.
13:12Is Demi for real right now? I can't
13:14believe she's yelling and cussing at Leigh-Anne,
13:16especially because we're taught in the church to treat
13:18others with respect. And, yeah, just very
13:20inappropriate.
13:22She does not get my sympathy anymore. She needs
13:24help, she needs to go to therapy,
13:26and she needs to go be a fucking mom.
13:30Ho, ho, ho!
13:34This is a fever dream, you guys.
13:36Holy cow!
13:38The timing is impeccable.
13:40I'm looking for the nice girl.
13:42Zach, is that you? Are you from
13:44Pippendales?
13:46Hello!
13:48Where's the naughty one?
13:50She's the naughtiest.
13:52I hope Santa brings a new group of friends.
13:54Just kidding.
13:56What do you girls want for Christmas? Peace and mom talk.
13:58Peace and mom talk.
14:00Whatever Taylor's going through, I pray
14:02for her. I hope that she gets the help that she needs.
14:04I really do. I appreciate that.
14:06I'm going to let you guys finish your conversation.
14:08I'm going to go see Santa.
14:12Is it snowing or is that fake?
14:14Is that fake or is that real?
14:16Guys, the snow!
14:18Should we go look at it?
14:20I'd rather be out there than in here.
14:22I do think that I want to step in and defend Leigh-Anne because
14:24I'm really, really shocked by this behavior.
14:26I would never speak to anyone's mother
14:28this way, but Demi is beyond
14:30being reasoned with at this point, so I think
14:32everyone's just staying quiet to stay safe.
14:34I think it is very telling that
14:36if you sat down and you talked to each
14:38of the girls and you...
14:40Don't mean to interrupt. Surprise for you outside.
14:42We'll come back to this.
14:44I love it!
14:48Right here, babe.
14:52These are cool.
14:54I don't want to get in it.
14:56In the bubble. It's like this.
14:58No!
15:00That was right in the eye.
15:02You know, I didn't mean to come and
15:04just bombard your party.
15:06No, it's okay. I know that
15:08you're a concerned mother.
15:10Anyway, do you want to walk her out to her car?
15:12No, that's okay.
15:14I appreciate you talking.
15:16There will be more to come.
15:18Because I haven't even pulled out my boxing gloves.
15:20So, get ready.
15:22It was just so inappropriate
15:24all around.
15:26I definitely feel bad for Leanne right now.
15:28She's clearly emotional and I don't think it's appropriate
15:30for Demi to be almost
15:32fighting her like she's Taylor.
15:34These are all things that they should be saying to Taylor
15:36and I don't think it's fair that they're taking it out
15:38on Leanne.
15:40Sorry about everything. I just want you to know as a mom
15:42I totally sympathize
15:44with where you're coming from.
15:46I felt like I was listening half the time
15:48to Taylor 2.0. I know.
15:50Just deflection, deflection, excuses, excuses.
15:52I understand
15:54Leanne getting emotional.
15:56What I'm having a really hard time with is that
15:58you're sitting in front of people who she has
16:00been an absolute dog
16:02shit friend to and
16:04you're trying to sell me on
16:06Taylor being a good person.
16:08Clearly that was put into your head from Taylor.
16:10It's giving manipulation.
16:12Move it along.
16:14Are you going to open the gift?
16:16Should I open it?
16:18I don't really want to open her gift right now.
16:20Should I though? Yeah. I want to see what it is.
16:22Okay, let's get this out of the way
16:24because I don't know what it is
16:26and the track record with gifts in this group
16:28is not...
16:30Is it ticking at all?
16:32It's a box!
16:34It's from Taylor.
16:36Oh, from Taylor.
16:38Is that your box?
16:40Wait, I'm so confused right now.
16:42It's PR.
16:44I would die.
16:48Did you give this to her?
16:50I...
16:52Wait, what the fuck?
16:54It's got to be because of the whole...
16:56It is because of the Jay-Z thing.
16:58Oh my god.
17:00Well, if that...
17:02Should we invite Leigh-Anne back in and say
17:04I don't know who you know who your daughter is actually.
17:06Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
17:08This is just so childish and
17:10yet again, unsurprising.
17:14Well, my thought process
17:16was to gift me
17:18this Jay-Z style
17:20hair product because
17:22I think everyone in Mom Talk should keep her
17:24at arm's length because if you can do that to your best friend,
17:26you can do that to any of us.
17:28Okay.
17:30I'm going to head out.
17:32Oh, love you.
17:34Mom Talk was originally about
17:36not only women supporting women
17:38but especially mothers
17:40supporting other mothers.
17:42I worry that maybe it's drifted from that.
17:44I'm not entirely sure if it's something I want to be a part of again
17:46but it's also hard because I'm like
17:48Mom Talk could be great.
17:50Bye, Miranda. Bye, Frankie.
17:52So I thought that with
17:54the new year and being
17:56Mom Talk and celebrating Mom Talk, I think we need
17:58to talk about things like who's in,
18:00who's not, what's going on.
18:02A board meeting?
18:04Yes, a board meeting.
18:06Businesses do this all the time. We're no different, ladies.
18:08So let's find a time that works for everyone
18:10but what does that look like? Who's coming?
18:12I think everyone come,
18:14let them speak their piece and then
18:16go from there.
18:18I do feel like Miranda's an honorary member
18:20at the moment. We haven't officially
18:22brought her in so should we do this
18:24without her? We need to get the OGs together
18:26for a minute and pass it out.
18:28Everyone but Miranda.
18:30I'm really not sure how this meeting's going to go
18:32but it needs to happen because Demi is destroying
18:34the soul of Mom Talk. I'm sad because
18:36I did consider Demi my best friend
18:38but time and time again she punches down
18:40on everyone. It's her behavior that reads
18:42as destructive to Mom Talk, not Taylor's.
18:44That's kind of how I view Taylor.
18:46At what point are
18:48people disengaging
18:50enough to where it's like, well, we're not
18:52going to all pull the weight for you.
18:54We're moving forward and we're rebuilding
18:56and we're reestablishing things.
18:58It seems to be a running pattern
19:00that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
19:02It's never going to end well
19:04and so I think that this conversation is
19:06very important to the future
19:08of Mom Talk. So if you care, come.
19:10If you don't care, then don't be part of it.
19:12You're showing us, yeah.
19:28Do you think Liz has the big carrots like this?
19:30No way!
19:32Oh my gosh!
19:34Oh my gosh, how are you?
19:36So what's going on?
19:38I've been super busy because
19:40I'm in the process of writing a book.
19:42I got a book deal.
19:44Like officially? Yes.
19:46Mom Talk is supposed to stand for women
19:48supporting women, but the fighting in Mom Talk
19:50has gotten so out of control.
19:52When I first started social media, my whole goal
19:54was to inspire other women with my story.
19:56So writing this book, I'm really hoping
19:58I can lead by example.
20:00Good to see you guys again.
20:02Good to see you guys. It's been a minute or two.
20:04My book is about my life story
20:06because I was a sophomore in college
20:08when I got pregnant. And when I was pregnant,
20:10Hudson's dad, Eric, passed away.
20:12No, I was sad I didn't get to go to the
20:14baseball game the other day. Hudson, he walked
20:16the first guy and then he struck out three in a row.
20:18I can't believe that.
20:20Hudson did the best.
20:22I couldn't believe it.
20:24We did tell Hudson about Eric.
20:26I think it's very important for Hudson to
20:28know about his dad because
20:30he is half of him.
20:32One more. And there's always going to be that
20:34curiosity and we've always wanted to be very
20:36open about it. And that way too, he can keep his
20:38relationship really good with Jacob.
20:40Come sit down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:42I'm excited that I could come
20:44see you guys and Hudson can see you guys.
20:46I was going to say, I wanted to come too
20:48because I'm wanting to write a book.
20:50It's obviously a super sensitive
20:52subject with Eric and everything
20:54but he's a huge part of my story.
20:56I don't think I always dealt with my
20:58grief. I don't think you really
21:00did deal with it.
21:02It's even harder for me now as I've gotten older
21:04because I see Hudson and I see him and I'm like
21:06he's eight now. He's
21:08old now. It reminds me of him
21:10and it's so hard
21:12for me.
21:14It still affects
21:16me a lot and I just
21:18I don't know.
21:22Hudson's dad, Eric, died in a car
21:24crash. I truly feel like he was my
21:26first love and so it
21:28just destroyed me.
21:30I didn't want to live to be honest
21:32and if it wasn't for
21:34my son, I don't even know if I'd be here today.
21:36I've never been
21:38to the crash site because I think I'm
21:40scared to feel too because I'm happy
21:42and I don't want to feel sad. You can't move forward
21:44until you deal with it.
21:46I had so much grief and trauma from losing Eric
21:48and I think I've avoided facing it for all these
21:50years because it's just been too painful
21:52but I think it's time for me to feel the feelings
21:54finish this book and hopefully
21:56inspire mom talk in the process.
21:58You were the only one he ever told me that he loved
22:00and
22:02you mattered to him.
22:04Yeah.
22:06So all the more you matter to me.
22:08Yeah. So I got your back.
22:10We'll keep going.
22:12I know. I'm telling you
22:14I promise you that's what Eric wants.
22:16That's what Eric would want.
22:26Uh oh, your dad's here.
22:48Hi. Hey.
22:50Say hi. He's like your
22:52twin, Dakota Jr.
22:54What are you up to?
22:56Not much. Just working.
22:58How are you doing with you and Taylor
23:00not being together?
23:02It's like what's best right now
23:04and I think it's the only way to just focus
23:06on getting better because a lot of it is just
23:08that. It's like there just needs to be
23:10some peace there.
23:12Have some clarity and think.
23:14Yeah.
23:16You know what I'm saying?
23:18Going back to church at all?
23:20Yourself?
23:22Is that the one thing that can bring some true peace
23:24and happiness right now?
23:26Yes, for sure. That's what's always kept me going
23:28is just like prayer.
23:30Things don't always go the way that you want them to go.
23:32Yeah. It is really hard
23:34that we're broke up.
23:36I think if I would have been in a better place
23:38when I met Taylor, I think I could have seen
23:40the situation differently.
23:42The whole lying thing, that's
23:44a very selfish thing that I did.
23:46Being an addict for so long, it was like
23:48I was always having to hide that.
23:50Those traits still will come out
23:52sometimes, right? And especially, I feel like,
23:54in a relationship. And I've learned now
23:56the truth will just set you free.
23:58So just say it.
24:00She called me the other day and she was
24:02just emotional.
24:04I think she's doing better
24:06since you guys have been separated.
24:08Yeah.
24:10Just happier.
24:12And that's all I want, too. I just want her to be
24:14happy. I just want her to be healthy
24:16and to...
24:18I want for Taylor to be
24:20in a really good place.
24:22Jeez, dude. What is going on?
24:44This health journey I've been
24:46going through has really grounded me
24:48during all of this mom talk drama because
24:50it's made me realize how blessed I really am.
24:52It obviously looks crazy
24:54but when I was looking in the mirror
24:56I was like, oh, it's so thin.
24:58Yeah, like it's really thin.
25:00The biopsy was benign, which is such great news.
25:02Life is so short and it's so precious
25:04and what's not important is us all yelling
25:06at each other as a group of friends.
25:08So leading up to this meeting with mom talk,
25:10I have seen very worrisome behavior
25:12so I think we just need to get things
25:14in the open. Oh my gosh, you're back here.
25:16Hi, I didn't even know you were coming in.
25:18I know, I came to get some hair for my mom.
25:20Oh, I love it. I was like, didn't know if you'd
25:22even be here. She definitely gets these
25:24too. Yeah, you know her stuff so I was like,
25:26that's actually perfect you're here because I was going to call you.
25:28Oh no, it's perfect. I didn't want to make you come here.
25:30So what did you think of the drama at the Christmas party?
25:32I honestly feel drained.
25:34I feel drained too but it wasn't even about me.
25:36I was like, are they going to fight?
25:38Yeah. Are they going to physically fight?
25:40I was about to say something but Kayla was like, no.
25:42Yeah, she was like, let it happen.
25:44We should tell them to go.
25:46I don't know, I am feeling so conflicted.
25:48Like Demi? Yeah.
25:50It's hard to all of a sudden look over, I see Leanne
25:52crying. I just don't know how she feels
25:54justified though in it.
25:56I was like, why is she yelling?
25:58I don't know, I'm at a point where I'm like,
26:00I feel like this has happened so much
26:02with Demi and now anytime I see her doing
26:04this to me or other people, I'm so triggered.
26:06I literally feel like I have PTSD.
26:08And I'm like, that's not healthy friendship.
26:10Friendship should not feel that way.
26:12No. With me and Demi, we're at a crossroads
26:14right now where I'm like,
26:16okay, I can't condone this behavior
26:18and back this behavior.
26:20I'm putting myself in Leanne's shoes.
26:22I have someone like that yelling at you.
26:24Basically calling Leanne a terrible mother too is so
26:26uncalled for. Demi's also hurt me
26:28pretty deeply so I see her through a different lens
26:30now. And with Demi, it's like
26:32if you're not with her, you're against her.
26:34If someone did this to you and your family, you'd threaten to
26:36sue them. That's what you do to Jen. That's what you do to
26:38me, everyone else. I'd be pissed if someone
26:40did that to me, like a friend. I mean, now I kind of
26:42understand why you ride the fence because there's
26:44times when I'm like, I just want peace. Trust me, I know.
26:46Yeah. It's hard. We're all in this weird
26:48friendship. Yeah. And it's like
26:50if you take sides every time, there wouldn't even be a
26:52mom talk. I feel like
26:54Demi thinks that you guys have wrapped it up and then I see
26:56the conversations and I'm like, no.
26:58I don't know if I agree with Demi's
27:00definition of loyalty because
27:02I don't think she's always been a loyal friend to Jessie.
27:04I feel like Demi is really heated right now about
27:06Taylor, but she was really heated about Whitney in the
27:08past and Jen. I think there is a lot
27:10of friendship mending that has to happen,
27:12but Demi's not a good friend.
27:14Friendships are hard. They are sucky. There's nothing worse than
27:16dealing with a bad friendship. It almost
27:18affects you sometimes more than relationships.
27:20No, it does because relationships, there's an expectation
27:22like, we're choosing this together,
27:24don't screw me over. Yeah. Whereas friendships
27:26are almost harder because it's like there wasn't that expectation
27:28so it hurt me more. Yeah. Even after Saints and
27:30Sinners and in New Orleans with everyone,
27:32I know she was mad at me for siding
27:34with Taylor on a few things, but
27:36I feel like through the Italy drama, I've had
27:38her back because I'm like, I was there the whole
27:40time in Italy. I saw everything and I'm
27:42also friends with Marciano and I've
27:44chatted with him about it and he's like,
27:46nothing bad happened. That was fine.
27:48But I'm like, I've had your back during that
27:50and even if you did something wrong, I would have
27:52your back. I would. Exactly. That's so
27:54frustrating. Just because I happen to
27:56agree with Taylor on something doesn't mean I'm a
27:58bad friend. There's a lot of gaslighting and
28:00manipulation going on. She's done it to Whitney
28:02now. She's done it to me. She's now doing it to Taylor.
28:04That's a scary friend. I
28:06don't know. I kind of feel like I'm at a place where I need
28:08to take a break from Demi. I don't blame you.
28:10I don't know what's going to happen and I'm
28:12scared. The real question is, are you still doing her hair?
28:14There's too much
28:16in life to be worried
28:18about a friendship. We have
28:20enough going on as moms and even in
28:22your relationship, yours is obviously fine.
28:24In general, we should be building each other up
28:26and not tearing each other down.
28:28I know. I feel like it's not always like that
28:30in a group. 100% it's not.
28:32I'm really hoping we can get back to
28:34a place where mom talk is
28:36supportive again, but right now that's not happening
28:38and I feel like we all need to sit down and maybe
28:40talk about some hard truths to kind of
28:42figure out the future of mom talk.
29:01Tonight, we're finally
29:03having the big mom talk meeting to hopefully
29:05get to the bottom of what's eating away at our group.
29:07The escalating tension between
29:09Demi and Taylor is so thick right now
29:11and it's impossible for it not to affect mom
29:13talk. It feels like something has
29:15got to give tonight because mom talk cannot
29:17go on like this. I don't really want to pick
29:19sides, but if I have to, I'm not
29:21going to choose the side of someone that's forcing my hand.
29:23It's time for a reckoning.
29:26There she is.
29:28Wait, it's actually not that bad.
29:30It's like surgical super glue.
29:32Is this bruising or is that part of the tape?
29:34Yeah, it's bruising. It's just weird to
29:36like they cut my throat open.
29:38That's the weirdest thing to wrap your head around.
29:45Oh, your best friend's here.
29:47Oh, come in.
29:49Are you late?
29:51I am. I'm always late.
29:55Hello.
29:58How's it going? Hi, thanks for coming.
30:00This is so cute.
30:06Can we go sit down?
30:08Interesting.
30:10Things are already brewing.
30:12Hi.
30:14What's your status with Taylor?
30:16I feel like we're fine. Like we've talked
30:18and like I feel like at this point because
30:20she like apologized and she's been making an effort
30:22and so I said that's all I needed to see.
30:24But how are you feeling? Have you guys talked at all?
30:26We haven't talked.
30:28No.
30:30Since saying some sinners?
30:32Yeah.
30:34That's been a long time.
30:36Taylor is on a path of self-destruction.
30:38She is now letting her
30:40bad habits and
30:42patterns bleed into
30:44how mom talk is perceived online.
30:46That's all of our business and reputation.
30:48To me, I don't think she is
30:50qualified in any way
30:52being the leader.
30:54I'm going to hold her down on my throat so I can
30:56put up a good fight.
30:58Because you haven't talked to them since
31:00your mom came to the Christmas party, right?
31:02Did she tell you about that?
31:04I heard.
31:06I was excluded from
31:08the Christmas party so obviously
31:10my mom tells me the story
31:12and the disrespect
31:14Demi has towards my mom and my family.
31:16Demi was so lucky that I was not there.
31:18It like...
31:20When I do argue with her,
31:22I do it on my own because I'm done.
31:24So do you feel like you guys need to have a conversation then?
31:26For sure. Cue her.
31:28Cue her.
31:30Cue her.
31:32Do you feel like you guys need to talk?
31:34I mean, I don't really have anything nice
31:36to say so
31:38probably shouldn't say anything.
31:40I don't want to go over there.
31:42Doesn't look like a fun place to be.
31:44I don't think you guys are ever going to be friends.
31:46It's hard when we're in a group like this though because there's
31:48a lot on the line for all of us.
31:50We do this as our job and we're a group
31:52of women that people look up to and I love
31:54that we have that but
31:56it's disappointing when we're kind of showcasing that
31:58we're still fighting like we're in high school
32:00sometimes so I feel like this is actually
32:02the perfect time though since Miranda's not here
32:04to talk about
32:06her place in the group and Whitney's place in the group
32:08and just kind of how you mentioned
32:10at the Christmas party that we kind of need to reconvene
32:12and chat because we have to run
32:14a business that we have to have
32:16guidelines and rules. But what's the business?
32:18I don't even know what the business is anymore.
32:20I mean it was posting together but now it's
32:22But we don't even do that anymore. It's like I don't even know
32:24the last time we all made a video together.
32:30We need to decide if it's getting
32:32back to that or not. I feel like we all
32:34used to have so much fun in Mom Talk. We would get together
32:36and make content, goof around and
32:38Mom Talk is something that's super important to me as a single mom.
32:40It's gotten me through some really tough times.
32:42I know that things are really bad right now
32:44but I'm not willing to give up and I hope that
32:46other girls are willing to fight for Mom Talk too.
32:48I think for me it comes
32:50down to effort and if someone comes
32:52in and they're just like not really showing that effort
32:54which I did feel about Miranda in the beginning
32:56then I'm like not interested
32:58but if they are trying to integrate themselves in
33:00I think you have to go off of what they're doing.
33:02But again it's going to be
33:04different for everyone. You're right.
33:06You can say you've seen effort with Whitney reaching
33:08out to you outside of it and I haven't.
33:10Other people haven't and then
33:12same with Miranda. Miranda's reaching out to you
33:14she hasn't reached out to us outside of it
33:16and so it's hard because I'm not a definite no
33:18but I'm like I haven't seen that effort.
33:20I guess how do you feel about Miranda
33:22right now?
33:26Personally I don't
33:28have any close friendship with her
33:30anymore. I don't think it will ever be the same for me
33:32and I think she came
33:34in at a convenience.
33:36So I would say no.
33:38Alright let's just do this right now. I think with Miranda
33:40we give it more time. I think it's exactly what we did
33:42with Whitney and I think that's fair.
33:44I feel good about Whitney.
33:46How do you feel? I'm good.
33:48I'm happy with the progress.
33:50I'm good. Same.
33:52I'm fine with it.
33:54I don't honestly care if you are or not
33:56in the group because I have my
33:58feelings towards you and I've given you chances
34:00and I feel like done dirty
34:02after having your back
34:04for what. How did that damage
34:06you? Because I stuck up for
34:08Whitney out of everyone
34:10when she was the one who hated me.
34:12I did that for her. When no one liked her.
34:14When no one was raising their hand to be in mom talk
34:16I did. And when everyone was being
34:18mean to her I was like, I'm not going to participate in this
34:20kicking someone while they're down on social media
34:22or any of it. And I literally said that at Miranda's
34:24thing. Even though there's tension
34:26here, do you feel like you can co-exist
34:28with Whitney? I mean I finally let her in. I'm not saying
34:30I'm going to be friends with her or anything.
34:32I can be cordial.
34:34Can you co-exist?
34:36At this point I don't think I have to say anything.
34:38I think everyone knows where I stand.
34:40Majority rule. She's back in.
34:42Confetti.
34:44Of course I'm happy.
34:46Majority rules. I mean sure, do I wish that
34:48everyone was in favor of voting
34:50me back in? Absolutely. But
34:52that's out of my control.
34:54Is that okay with everyone?
34:56I guess we'll see.
34:58I have conversations with everyone
35:00and I feel like they're all on the same page that I am.
35:02I don't think she's ever going to change.
35:04And I just
35:06am over it. I'm over it.
35:08I feel like once her true colors come out again
35:10it's definitely going to be an I told you so moment.
35:12Uh, Demi
35:14on the other hand, no.
35:16I would say no for me.
35:18We're not voting on me. What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:20You're so weird.
35:22I've been in mom talk this whole time.
35:24We're not voting on people who are in mom talk.
35:26What are you doing? I never said vote. I just said
35:28I couldn't be cordial with you. You said you would co-exist with Whitney
35:30but not with Demi. Yeah, what are you talking about?
35:32I thought you were taking a vote.
35:34Did I say that?
35:38Well, you said Demi on the other hand after we just
35:40voted. Okay, let's talk about projection. Jeez, I didn't
35:42even say that. That's not projection. That was a
35:44misunderstanding.
35:46Demi, you mentioned
35:48if I'm in mom talk, like you don't
35:50want to be in mom talk, so
35:52I think you mentioned that to the girls. Is that correct?
35:54Who told you that?
35:56Um, who told you that?
35:58What does it matter who told you? It doesn't.
36:00You said it, so. Okay.
36:02Let's just take the bitch level down a notch.
36:04Let's just talk
36:06human to human for once in your goddamn life.
36:08Human to human.
36:10Just take it down a notch. I don't like you and I don't
36:12have to change my tone. That's fine. I've done
36:14absolutely nothing to you. What?
36:16What have I done other than react to your poor behavior?
36:18I don't think you've been a good friend.
36:20What have I done?
36:22You're a shitty person to people.
36:24You've gone at Whitney when she's down,
36:26kicked her down. You've done it to Jen.
36:28You've done it to Jessie. You've done it to me. Okay?
36:30I've done what to Jessie?
36:32You've done what to Jessie?
36:34Oh my gosh. Your bullshit
36:36lie about Jess? What lie?
36:38About the hair drama? You twisting
36:40that whole thing? It's all bullshit.
36:42That was true.
36:44No, it wasn't, Taylor. That was not true.
36:46It was not true. The way you twisted it,
36:48I never said she's not good at hair.
36:50It was just hurtful to me that as a friend,
36:52you wouldn't support my business. I just, and I said that to you.
36:54But hair is so...
36:56That's my whole life. It's not...
36:58Get out for money. You're not a good friend.
37:00Jessie,
37:02are you worried Demi was willing to take
37:04a bigger contract even if it meant you potentially
37:06being dropped from the show? We can't run away
37:08from this. I know. Okay, here we are.
37:10That was a reaction
37:12to multiple things. It's always a reaction.
37:14Look at you. Listen to you.
37:16Multiple things had happened with Jessie
37:18and I that led to that point.
37:20It scared me a little bit that your reaction was like,
37:22like, she's out. No morals. No values.
37:24Like, let's move on without her.
37:26It scared me that that was your immediate reaction.
37:28Okay. I was just like, I'm so sad
37:30and confused and upset. Like, I was just really
37:32hurt.
37:34And I feel like you took
37:36that instead and just, like, took it to a
37:38level that I would never have taken it to
37:40even with the context we didn't have.
37:42Taylor's right. I don't feel like Demi's
37:44really taking accountability for how she hurt
37:46me. It's super disappointing.
37:48She speaks like she's a therapist and a lot of
37:50times that can make you feel like you are in the wrong
37:52and that she's right because she's so wise
37:54and it makes it seem like she's sorry when she's not.
37:56What about Jen?
37:58Have you kicked her while she's down?
38:00Because she lied and acted like... Lied about what?
38:02About Italy. What did she lie about?
38:04She lied about what happened in Italy.
38:06What was the lie? I'm curious.
38:08She said to...
38:10Here you are stuttering. Go ahead.
38:12No, I'm trying to figure you out. Your eyes scare me.
38:14Why are you trying to figure out what happened?
38:16I'm so shocked by Demi's inability to take accountability.
38:18I'm starting to wonder if there's any
38:20truth behind Jen's allegations of what
38:22happened in Italy and maybe that's
38:24why Demi turned on her.
38:26I feel like I need to reach out to Marciano
38:28to finally get to the truth of what actually happened in Italy
38:30with Demi. You guys are never going to be friends.
38:32It's fine, but how do we progress from here?
38:34Because like...
38:36This fucking sucks. Well, she's going to life-ruining.
38:38That's completely different. I wouldn't do that to
38:40any single one of you.
38:42Yes. Life-ruining.
38:44Do you know what you've done by calling
38:46me out? Do you know what that did and how it
38:48affected my children and Dakota and what that's
38:50done to him? You don't because you're just a
38:52selfish bitch.
38:56Oh.
38:58You only brought that information out
39:00because you were upset that I
39:02told Jessie the truth about what you think about her underwear.
39:04That's not true. Yeah, it is. No, it's not.
39:06I don't want to see you ripped from your kids.
39:08Do you want that to happen? I don't want to be
39:10the one to do that, hence why I haven't done that.
39:12You don't know the truth. It doesn't matter. But guess who does?
39:14Therapy does. They all know the fucking
39:16truth, okay? So when you know the full
39:18truth, then you can speak on it. Until then, shut the
39:20fuck up. I just don't, I don't think
39:22it's appropriate anyways because we don't have
39:24the content. They don't. She brought it up.
39:26This is someone's family and their kids. Yes.
39:28And I don't think, I think it's off topic. And you don't know the full
39:30story. That's a very serious allegation
39:32that Demi said to you. An allegation
39:34that you have, you don't know anything about.
39:36These pants are too tight
39:38for this conversation.
39:40Okay. So if you guys
39:42can't coexist, what's gonna happen? I mean,
39:44she was the one who brought up, I can't be
39:46in it if Taylor's in it. So that, I mean, I'm trying
39:48to get that clear, so. Do you still feel that way?
39:50I don't know if it's worth
39:52it for me.
39:54How do you
39:56feel like your friendships stand with all of us, though?
39:58Because I feel like there has been upset feelings
40:00because we're, most of us are not
40:02in a bad place with each other. It's jarring
40:04to see how quickly things have been
40:06brushed under the rug. How can you
40:08guys be friends with some, she's disgusting.
40:10She's a disgusting human
40:12being.
40:14I don't understand it. Like, please, someone
40:16make sense of it. Someone
40:18make sense of it.
40:20Anyone?
40:22No, because I don't think anyone
40:24feels as deeply about it. Yeah, this is between
40:26you two for sure. If I was
40:28watching someone treat my
40:30friend and talk to
40:32knowing the type of person I am and
40:34the type of friend I've been to all of you,
40:36I would be fighting to the
40:38death, defending
40:40each and every single one of you.
40:42That's the type of friend I am.
40:44I have been so
40:46loyal to each of you.
40:48Yeah, so if you feel that way,
40:50the word's there.
40:54Am I the
40:56only one that cares
40:58about true friendship
41:00and loyalty?
41:02I'm alone on an island. I'm just feeling
41:04like all of this is for nothing at this point.
41:06It's extremely frustrating.
41:08As of now, I'm not feeling
41:10comfortable, and I'm feeling very conflicted,
41:12so I'm going to take some time
41:14if you guys don't mind and just
41:16decide if I want to continue in mom talk.
41:22Yeah, we don't mind.
41:24I don't mind. I'm sorry.
41:26Oh my gosh.
41:32As of now,
41:34wiping my hands clean,
41:36I'm done with mom talk. I can't do it anymore.
41:38Okay. Bye, guys.
41:40We are done.
41:42How's your throat feeling?
41:44It's all right. I mean, Demi's a
41:46grown-ass woman. I'm not going to beg for you
41:48to stay. I'm officially back in
41:50mom talk. I got my big fat
41:52gold star that I was wanting.
41:54That was crazy.
41:56I love that Demi was trying to
41:58basically get me kicked out of mom talk. It completely
42:00backfired on her. It feels good to have
42:02everyone support me because mom talk
42:04is a business, but it is
42:06more than that. I do think that
42:08there's hope for all of us girls
42:10to come together and
42:12be a team and to bring light back
42:14into it.
42:16Always a pleasure.
42:18That was a lot.
42:22I feel like I need to stay and decompress after.
42:24I know. I wish in this group we
42:26can just have individual friendships and it doesn't need
42:28to be like a loyalty thing. Well, I've done this
42:30for you, so you have to hate this person because I
42:32hate this person.
42:36Well, you want to be able
42:38to tell the truth without
42:40them being like, wait a second, I always stand up for you.
42:42I think, again, what mom talk was built
42:44on is the empowerment, woman empowerment.
42:46I think it's empowering to go off
42:48everyone else's beliefs and their experience and
42:50say, you know what? Actually, I don't believe with you. And that's
42:52fine. You can stand in your own beliefs
42:54and what benefits you. For me and my health with
42:56Whitney, I'm like, sorry. No, that's a
42:58boundary.
43:00This
43:04was really fun.
43:06Are you happy we came over? No.
43:14In the past, I have been Demi's lapdog,
43:16but I feel like I'm kind of in an era where
43:18I'm standing up for myself, and I honestly
43:20feel like mom talk is better off without her.
43:22Now we can finally start to heal.
43:24Well, I appreciate you guys coming over, but
43:26that was crazy.
43:28I got some entertainment for the night,
43:30like I was watching Jerry Springer.
43:42I didn't tell you why. I said there's a time and place for everything.
43:46And I said, shut up.
43:52I already got Terry on my way over here,
43:54so I'm like, okay. It's going to be good.
43:56I think it'll be
43:58healing. Well, it's something that I need to do.
44:00Oh, absolutely. I don't want to do it at all.
44:02I don't want to do this right now.
44:04I mean, it's been almost 10 years, so you think
44:06I would have done it by now.
44:08I've never been to Eric's
44:10crash site, and I think it is really important
44:12to me on my healing journey, especially
44:14writing this book. And with all the drama
44:16that's in mom talk, sometimes it's
44:18easy to forget what's actually important,
44:20but this all happened. I said,
44:22I want to write a book to help other
44:24people understand so that they don't feel alone
44:26like I did when I was going through everything.
44:28It's like I never want to leave things at a bad note
44:30with most anybody. Well, I get that,
44:32especially because you have so many
44:34regrets, too, with
44:36the things that you said to Eric.
44:38Yeah, exactly. Maybe you still have a lot of that guilt.
44:40I do. It's like I have regrets.
44:42I regret what I said,
44:44unfortunately.
44:48I was 13 weeks and 5 days pregnant.
44:50Me and him got into a disagreement.
44:52I was upset with him,
44:54and we were sending texts back and forth,
44:56and one of his texts was unfinished
44:58at the end of it, so I was kind of
45:00waiting for him to respond.
45:02What were you doing when you found out?
45:04Do you remember?
45:06I was at a Mexican restaurant,
45:08and I was scrolling on my phone,
45:10and I saw someone post R.I.P. Eric Mack.
45:12Like on Instagram?
45:14On Instagram. And I was like,
45:16what is this?
45:22Oh, my God.
45:28I remember
45:30calling him and just like hoping.
45:34Just hoping he would answer.
45:38And the worst part
45:40of it was just hearing the dial tone
45:42and just being like, please, God,
45:44answer the phone.
45:48I called his dad,
45:50and his dad told me that he passed
45:52and went in a car accident in Spanish Port Canyon.
45:54It was the most traumatic
45:56time of my entire life.
46:02I think it's like triggering.
46:04Oh, for sure it's triggering,
46:06especially if you've never put yourself
46:08in that position.
46:10I know.
46:12Even after all these years, it's not like it's easier.
46:14I think it's really good, though,
46:16that you're going to see it, and hopefully it'll be closure.
46:18I know.
46:20I hope so.
46:22Oh, God, I have anxiety.
46:34Should we do a hug before we go out there?
46:36I love you.
46:42Oh, don't cry already.
46:44You're going to make me cry.
46:46It's okay.
46:48It's okay.
46:50Flowers.
46:56I think it's at this marker right here.
47:04Okay.
47:06I love you.
47:16I love you.
47:22I guess I will just leave this here, then.
47:24Yeah.
47:26I remember getting there for the funeral,
47:30and his parents had to hold me on each arm
47:32because I was just a wreck.
47:34And I remember telling him
47:36that we were having a baby boy,
47:38and that I was so sorry
47:40for all the things that happened before he passed
47:42because I said some pretty hurtful things.
47:44I love you.
48:04Macy is opening up
48:06about one of the hardest moments in her life.
48:08I feel like it's still really important
48:10with all the drama and all the toxic energy
48:12that we still stand for being there for our friends.
48:14Do you want to say a little prayer?
48:16Sure.
48:18I'll say it for you.
48:20Okay, thank you.
48:22It means a lot to me that she's willing to trust me
48:24to be that person for her, as well.
48:26Our dear Heavenly Father,
48:28we're so grateful for this beautiful day
48:30to be here to remember Eric.
48:32Please bless Macy and Eric's family
48:34that they get peace and know that he is watching over them.
48:36And please bless Hudson
48:38that he can feel Eric in his life
48:40and know what an amazing young boy he is
48:42and how amazing Macy is.
48:44We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
48:46Amen.
48:48Why am I going to cry now?
48:52There's a weight that has been lifted off my shoulders.
48:54I think it's something that I've always had to do
48:56that I don't think I ever would have done
48:58if I didn't push myself to do it.
49:00I've always known from the beginning
49:02that Michaela is always going to have my back,
49:04and that's the best part of Mom Talk.
49:10Oh, my God.
49:16Oh, my God.
49:40Stop!
49:42Hey! How are you?
49:44Wow, miniskirt. You look hot.
49:46I know. How are you, stranger?
49:48It's been so long.
49:50Good to meet you. How was skiing?
49:52It was fun. I've never been up here to do it that way.
49:54Really? Yeah.
49:56I'm glad you asked me to talk.
49:58It's so good to see you.
50:00Can we go upstairs and talk?
50:02I have some stuff to talk to you about.
50:04I'm scared.
50:06Now that Demi has left Mom Talk and Jen is MIA,
50:08so I'm going straight to the source
50:10to get the truth once and for all.
50:12I know Marciano from the villa, so I reached out to him,
50:14and he agreed to come to Utah to meet with me.
50:16After you.
50:20Can I get you a water?
50:22Yeah, I would love one.
50:24Here you go, darling.
50:26Thank you so much.
50:28You're welcome.
50:30I am going to pour myself tequila,
50:32which, before you go judging me...
50:34It's like pure tequila.
50:36What else has been going on?
50:38Not much.
50:40Not much?
50:42I just wanted to kind of get your side of the story.
50:44There's been a lot of talk from the girls
50:46of, like, what happened in Italy
50:48and just, like, very, like,
50:50he said, she said.
50:52And I loved me, but I think
50:54there's been so much talk of, like,
50:56the opposite of what she's saying,
50:58so I just honestly just, like, want to know, like, the truth.
51:00What did she say?
51:02Basically, like,
51:04when we first showed up to the villa,
51:06she was saying that you started
51:08hitting on her right away,
51:10and just, like, making, like, little, like, comments
51:12about, like, her and, like, how pretty she is
51:14and just, like, things like that.
51:16And then progressively, just, like, you got more
51:18forward, she was saying.
51:20So when I put
51:22myself out there, I didn't
51:24really know what was going on because, oh,
51:26we have these, like, Mormon swingers,
51:28and it was, like, we were, like,
51:30what? Like, I didn't really know
51:32what to think, but this girl,
51:34this woman, to me is really pretty,
51:36really gorgeous, like, I want to
51:38try and entertain this.
51:40But then, like, everything just started
51:42to transpire and everything, like, I think
51:44happened really fast, and I didn't really
51:46understand the boundaries. You felt like she was flirting with you.
51:48I think it was, like, friendly, funny,
51:50flirtatious things that I mistook
51:52for not the
51:54friendly part. Like,
51:56you were imagining, like, what was happening
51:58or, like, what do you mean? I think I'd be lying
52:00if I said that I didn't
52:02at least try
52:04and kiss her.
52:06I caught feelings for her
52:08for sure pretty quickly. I think
52:10that was because I was already, like, consumed
52:12with the fantasy
52:14that she was open.
52:18If Brett wasn't around, would things be different?
52:20I don't know.
52:22I think, I don't think so, but,
52:24you know, whatever.
52:26What I'm really getting into,
52:28to be honest with you, it's, like,
52:30it's not even just Demi. It's a rumor
52:32that wasn't
52:34a rumor.
52:36With who?
52:38Damn.
52:40I just don't really know how to say this.
52:42God save us.
52:44Did you hear about the rumor?
52:46With Demi?
52:48With
52:50Jessie?
52:52I need to be straight up with y'all
52:54about how many DMs I've received.
52:56Oh, Jessie, were you really
52:58kissing Marciano at TomTom
53:00publicly? Allegedly.
53:02It was Jessie from The Secret Lives of Mormon
53:04Wives making out in public
53:06with this guy? If I was, like, dumb
53:08enough to do that, I wouldn't do it in public.
53:10That was true?
53:12No.
53:14No.
53:16Wait, are you actually...
53:18No. One thing led
53:20to another. And you made out with her.
53:22Oh, more than that.
53:24As soon as I saw her,
53:26jumps into my arms, wraps her legs
53:28around my waist, and I'm almost like, I mean,
53:30I thought we were cool in, like, the villa, but then
53:32she was extremely forward. Have you guys still
53:34been in contact since then? Yeah, we have, and, like,
53:36you know, we've tried meeting up or stuff.
53:38Meeting up. Yeah, it's just been, like,
53:40a really... To continue
53:42it? Yeah.
53:46Holy shit. Marciano
53:48and I are cool, but to be honest, I don't really know him
53:50that well. Should I believe him, or is he just
53:52full of shit? If he's telling the truth,
53:54people's friendships, reputations, and families
53:56could literally fall apart. This could
53:58change everything.
54:00Does Jordan know?
54:02He doesn't know the truth about how
54:04extensive it was. It was not just, like, a one-time
54:06hook-up thing.
54:10Did you guys fuck?
54:16Oh, fuck.
54:18Marciano.
54:20That's what I said, like,
54:22it's not like this was just some freaking
54:24one-night stand.
54:26No, it's a full-blown
54:28fucking affair.