‘ऑपरेशन सिंदूर’: पाकिस्तान ने युद्ध में पिछली हार से कोई सबक नहीं सीखा- सुरेंद्र कुमार

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ऑपरेशन सिंदूर के बाद राजदूत (सेवानिवृत्त) सुरेंद्र कुमार से ईटीवी भारत के संवाददाता चंचल मुखर्जी ने विशेष बातचीत की.पढ़िए पूरी रिपोर्ट...

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00:00See, first of all, we all Indians, in respect of our religion, our caste, language, province,

00:08we can legitimately feel proud that we have done something, we have done successfully,

00:14and we have done a lot of, lot of restraint. We have hit not one, two, but nine terrorist

00:20targets, their bases, hub center, that within 25 minutes,

00:271 an выше, 5 minutes, actually 11-30 seconds had happened,

00:319 areas where terrorism was, by Krishna 3, the genome was taken,

00:34or Chambers had armed keep, hurried to earn στο,

00:37they hadised a lot of tension, but our friendband, we had a civilian target radar

00:42or military installation,

00:44line control, whatever we do,

00:47this wasfö persone 부haps source,

00:51terrorist charges againstłby,

00:52which we gave him in os are innocent,

00:55We have to be proud to feel our forces, army, navy, force, we have to be able to be able to

01:07our country.

01:09We have to be able to make a political green signal.

01:15leader.

01:16And I will say that all the country's leaders are also able to reach this opportunity to

01:22support the government's steps to support the government's steps.

01:27I want to say that if this is a united stand, that there is nothing to come from the country

01:32in the way.

01:33Sir, how do you think that Pakistan is in a condition to retaliate?

01:39condition to retaliate? You see, Pakistan, as you know, is a nuclear power. Pakistan in terms of

01:47economy, you can say one-tenth. But in terms of army, they have a sizable army. They have a lot

01:52of arms. They have weapons. But fact is that you have to see whether you are leading your army to

02:02do something that is right or doing something wrong. I have written an article some time back. I said,

02:09look, Pakistan, ISI army have fought war with India four times. 1947, 65, 71, Cargill.

02:20Her بار ان کی حار ہوئی. اس کے باوجود بھی انہیں کوئی لیسن نہیں سیکھا. کہ آپ کا

02:26عدیس کیا? آپ پیچھے پڑے ہوئے قسمی نہیں لے سکتے آپ. یہ مانسک بات اپنے

02:32دماغ سے یہ نکال دیں. قسمیر دیکھئے پچھتر سال ہو گئی. یہ ہسٹری ہے.

02:36قسمیر ہندیا کا پارٹ ہے. رہے گا. آپ کچھ نہیں کر سکتے. اس کو آپ

02:41الگ اٹھا دیں. ہندوستان کے ساتھ راستے بہت اچھے ہو سکتے ہیں.

02:45پروائیڈڈ ہے یہ سب نہیں کہ آپ نے خلچتانہ نہیں ٹریٹ کیا. آپ جہادی

02:50کو ٹرین کرتے ہیں. آپ انسرجن ٹرین کرتے ہیں. آپ جو بھی ملیٹینٹ ہیں.

02:55قسمیر انہوں ٹرین کرتے ہیں. ان کو دوارا بھیجتے ہیں. تو یہ اس

02:58طرح کیا کریں گا آپ. آپ کے لیڈر نے کہا تھا. ہزار سال

03:03لڑائیڈ ہے. یہ سب دیکھ رہے ہیں کہ آپ پچھتر سال کچھ نہیں کر

03:06پائے. آپ کی دینس کا حالت ہی ہو گئی کہ آپ جو ہیں وینکرپ ہونے

03:09جا رہے ہیں. آپ کی ایکونویو کنڈیس ہے بہت خیال ہے. اس حالت میں

03:13بھارت جیسے دینس کا ساتھ لڑائی کرنے کا کوئی فائدہ نہیں ہے. پر پر

03:17پر پرولم وہاں پہ یہ ہے کہ وہاں کی آرمی نے جنتا کے سامنے

03:22رکھا ہے ہندوستان پاکستان کا دسمان نمبر ون ہے. اور یہ ایک جو ہے

03:28you create an enemy and to retain your power. you go on projecting that india is going

03:35to do this this this so they should support you. and now as you know last 75

03:40years army in pakistan has become a huge industrial business empire all the

03:48generals are retired not they have got millions of dollars they live life with

03:52luxury public is poor and they can do it so long they can retain power and they

03:58can retain power so long as they have to whip up some kind of anti so feeling

04:03anti-pakistan feeling india and the poor poor civilian government whenever is

04:10required from time to time they have promised sir who have been elected but

04:14promised sir mere puppet in their hand. defense policy foreign policy security

04:19policies میں ان کی civilian government کا کوئی ہاتھ نہیں ہے. چاہے وہ

04:23عمران خان ہو چاہے وہ نواز شریف ہو چاہے بیڑنگ گھٹ ہو کچھ

04:26نہیں کر پائیں گے. تو پاکستان کا اس طرح کا جو سسٹم ہے اس کو

04:33change کرنا پڑے گا ان کو خود بہار کالا نہیں کر سکتے. وہاں کی

04:37جنتہ کوئی سوچنا چاہیے کتنے سال گزر گئے آپ کے بغل کے

04:41دیش میں اتنی پکتی ہوگئے تو آپ کیاں کو نہیں ہیں. وہاں کے کافی

04:44کچھ لوگ ینگ ہیں وہ سوچتے ہوں گے. پر ان کا ماحول ایسا ہے

04:48کہ وہ کھول کے بول نہیں سکتے. آج کل انٹرنیٹ ہے. آج کل

04:53اتنا سوچل نیٹورک ہیں. ان کو پتا ہے کہاں پر کیا ہو رہا ہے. وہ

04:56بھی چاہتے کہ ہمارے دیش میں اس طرح کی چیزیں ہوں. پر کھولے

04:59ہم نہیں کہہ سکتے. تو یہ یہ ہے ایک ایسا ایک ایسی اسٹیج آ گئی

05:05جہاں پاکستان کے پیپل کو کوئی سوچنا پڑے گا کہ یہ پولیسی

05:09تنسال سوم کے ان سے فائدہ کیا ہے. اور ہندوستان کے خلاف

05:12لڑنے سے فائدہ کیا ہے. اور آپ کو اسے مل کے آ رہا ہے. آپ کچھ

05:16نہیں ملنا. آپ اوکی جا کے مار آئیں گے. نہتے سیویلینز کو مارنے

05:21میں کیا بہت دوری ہے. کوئی بہت دوری نہیں ہے. آپ جا کر کے

05:24وہ لوگ آج سے ٹوری صاحب مار رہے ہیں. کوئی بہت دی نہیں ہے. وہاں پر آپ کے

05:28trained pathological killer ہیں. وہ آج ہی مار رہا کہ آپ جا کر موڈی صاحب کو

05:32بتاؤ. that means this person is great. نہیں ہے. کھل سمجھ رہا ہے. میں سمجھتا ہوں

05:37پاکستان میں. yes they cannot win war against. they are never won. four times.

05:43but they can inflict lot of damage to us. they can kill

05:48کے ملے ہیں. ابھی دیکھیں سویزا کیا ہو رہا ہے. آپ کی سیلنگ

05:51بہت دس لوگ مر چکے ہیں. پچاس لوگ. اور کنتیو کر چا رہیں گے. اس میں آپ

05:56یہ تو سویلین کیا کریں گے. وہ گاں والے رہ رہے ہیں وہاں پہ.

05:59they can really cause lot of damage. but on the whole if we have long term

06:04conflict there is no chance pakistan winning. but i personally feel

06:08there are a lot of pakistani friends countries outside. they are advising them

06:13that look this first round is over. your fellows game killed in the people.

06:18india has taken action. and you just don't react. now let us see what happens.

06:23some ministers gave a statement that pakistan will not retaliate if india

06:28halt attack. but india has never said b and go on attacking.

06:31he simply want to target. we can't. but it's up to you.

06:35they have opened their airspace also. the signal is

06:37طرح کے ہارے ہیں صاحب وہ بڑھانا نہیں چاہتے ہیں.

06:40but اس کو دیکھنا پڑے گا. you have to see from the angle of what the

06:43army general want. general munir made those provocative statements.

06:49that now now having having raised the tempo talking about two nation theory and all that

06:58if he doesn't do anything he will lose face. i'm not expert but i personally feel for army

07:04general losing face is very difficult thing. and he has become general just just a chief army

07:09star not a long time away. so for saying things and not doing anything which will be very very

07:16bad for reputation. so his personal feeling will be to do something. but advise others will say

07:22perhaps you don't do it. now let us see which side wins because wisdom will say you shall not do

07:28anything we should de-escalate diffuse it and slowly slowly we move toward normalcy. but as army person

07:36in uniform he might feel we should do something. but then they should also remember history because

07:43pakistani army didn't have much great record. after or not one of 94 000 of them surrendered baraka

07:53in history of army warfare nowhere 94 000. you can surrender if you are 500 1 000 but you can't

08:02send 90 now the whole army is there you could have continue fighting get 5 000 kids but no you don't

08:09want to get killed you surrender. so that maybe that he is he realizes that perhaps this is not the right

08:16time and keep quiet and but we should not underestimate the enemy we should not trust

08:22pakistan says because so far history is what their leaders have been saying and what has happened whether

08:28by they went to lahore what happened in cargill modiji went to lahore went to batankot you have a whole

08:34history that you try to extend a hand of friendship peace gesture instead of really shaking hands and

08:43coming halfway they really retaliate with terrorist attack which is negative thing to do sir india has

08:50sent a message globally through this strike what do you think about this i think this time we have done

08:59the whole planning valley smartly before tech we have sensitized usa uk european countries arab gulf

09:08country where palm mister has been going uae saudi arabia qatar we have said look you should see from our

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