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Testimony of the Evil of Abortion in the USA - Only in English
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00:00Many years ago, my wife and I were speaking in high school. It was actually an assembly,
00:03and we asked them to rope off one-third of the seats. Now, kids have their normal seats,
00:08and they walk into the auditorium, and one-third of the auditorium's been roped off. They can't
00:12sit in their normal seats. And we tell them, look at those seats. Those are your classmates
00:16that did not make it. One thing God had me do a couple years ago was just started naming each
00:24baby that I aborted. And I'm not sure why or what all it had to do with spiritually, but
00:31I had to just name each one as I thought of each one. I named them, and that seemed to bring healing.
00:40I said, I know you're not going to believe that this is the absolute truth. I did 1,200 abortions,
00:46first and second trimester. One was for rape, two were for incest, about nine or ten were for
00:51genetic defects, like trisomy 21, and all the rest of them were healthy moms and healthy kids.
00:57People believe what they want to believe, and they don't want to believe that, but that is the truth.
01:02Did you feel shame for being alive?
01:10Such guilt.
01:11The guilt of, why me? And not them?
01:18Them. Them.
01:20The tens of millions of children who didn't survive.
01:24And even from the standpoint of being healthy.
01:29Why?
01:30I mean, it's a blessing, right? It's this double-edged sword. I'm so grateful.
01:35I would not change who I am.
01:36How come, after an abortion, there is no follow-up appointment to see how she's really doing?
01:44We didn't do follow-ups. I worked in several mills.
01:48We have to remember that abortion is a traumatic experience.
01:53Most of these women don't even want to come back to the facility where they lost their baby.
01:58There's women who don't even want to drive down the street where they had their abortion because it gives them a flashback.
02:07It's like saying, well, let's go back to this car wreck, you know, where I lost my child in a traffic light.
02:15Who'd ever want to do that?
02:17Follow-up is a reenactment of a murder.
02:20So my experience was completely different.
02:24I was moonlighting at a clinic in Gainesville, so they were all college students.
02:28And I never did an abortion for an indicated reason.
02:32There were no health defects, not even any fetal defects.
02:35It was all basically convenience.
02:37And at that time, we had to have a reason for the abortion.
02:41So if they didn't have a good reason, I would say, well, is this going to stress you out emotionally or financially or socially?
02:49And so I would come up with a reason, you know, for them to have the abortion.
02:53One night, a nurse friend was taking a little abortion survivor to the soiled utility room to die.
03:00And when she told me what she was doing, I couldn't bear the thought of him dying alone.
03:03He'd been aborted because he had Down syndrome.
03:06He was about 21 and a half weeks old.
03:08He was about the size of my hand, and he didn't move very much, you know, using all of his energy, attempting to breathe.
03:15At that time, he wouldn't have lived, even with help.
03:18It was a life-changing event.
03:19He lived for 45 minutes.
03:21After I held that baby, I just had to do something that propelled me into the pro-life movement.
03:28I had five abortions and actually had a dream while going through a post-abortion program.
03:35I was pregnant in this dream.
03:38I was, like, in heaven or in this big field, and my belly was huge.
03:43And I kept seeing these little hands pushing through from the inside of my belly.
03:49And I counted the hands, and there were eight different babies.
03:54And so somewhere in my pregnancy, I had multiples.
03:57So if you can do the math, I lost eight babies, but I had five abortions.
04:03I knew of a baby who was aborted at 28 weeks who weighed over two pounds.
04:08Did that baby survive the abortion attempt?
04:10A little while, yeah.
04:10And they left that baby to die at 28 weeks old?
04:13Yeah.
04:13They never assessed the babies after they were born.
04:15The Born Alive Act said any baby born alive, no matter what gestational age,
04:20no matter what reason for being born, was to be treated just like a wanted baby.
04:23But this wasn't happening there.
04:26If your baby was wanted, and you delivered it 23 weeks,
04:29there was a team of four specialists that were sent over from the unit
04:32to specifically care for that little baby only.
04:35But if that baby wasn't wanted, it was just left up usually to the residents
04:39and nurse to take care of these babies, but they weren't assessed.
04:42When you all hear from Melissa and Claire their stories of abortion,
04:49what does it make you feel?
04:51Sad, but also happy.
04:54I'm so, so grateful that you're both alive,
04:57but I'm also sad that my kids didn't survive.
05:00I would give anything to be able to go and hold them
05:02and tell them that I love them and be a part of their life.
05:05So there is just a level of sadness that my children did not survive,
05:09but I'm so, so thankful that you're here
05:12and that you're using your story for good.
05:15And it needs to be heard.
05:17People need to hear this.
05:18They need to look you in your eyes
05:19and see that your lives are so, so valuable
05:22and that you are precious and worthy.
05:24It's so hard to be with abortion survivors
05:30knowing that I was a perpetrator.
05:34I'm the evil one.
05:35I'm just thankful for your forgiveness,
05:39which you've both given me.
05:42I'm sorry.
05:43You know, sorry for all of us.
05:49But it's also very healing.
05:52I'm just thankful that God ran after me
05:55and grabbed me out of that situation
05:58and allows me now to try to save babies
06:02instead of killing them.
06:05My birth mother was taken to have an abortion at 20 weeks
06:09and she had a dismemberment, D&E abortion,
06:14and she was told that it was successful,
06:16that she could go home and go back to her normal life.
06:19But she went home and realized that these weren't right.
06:22She was home for about four weeks,
06:24went back to the doctor,
06:25and they told her that she had been leaking amniotic fluid
06:29and that her abortion had been successful on one baby,
06:32but that I had survived her D&E abortion.
06:35Just a few weeks later, I was born 10 weeks premature.
06:39I weighed three pounds.
06:40I had a dislocated hip and I had clubbed feet.
06:43And she had a dry birth,
06:44and so she was told that those complications were due to that
06:48and due to the abortion.
06:49My story was not welcome.
06:51And when you tell an abortion survivor,
06:54either explicitly or implicitly,
06:56that their story is not welcome,
06:58what you're communicating is they are not welcome.
07:02That's where that rejection comes in,
07:03when we are such a dreaded complication
07:07to the abortion industry,
07:10and then our culture receives that message,
07:13and the media has accepted that lie.
07:15Think about our youngest survivors.
07:17I mean, we have 10-year-olds, 12-year-olds, 18-year-olds,
07:21even younger, right, all across the continuum.
07:24What kind of message are these children receiving?
07:26Not just about abortion, but about who they are.
07:30To me, that's such an injustice.
07:33Jill, you had mentioned that there was a time
07:36when you decided to become a whistleblower.
07:39What happened in the aftermath?
07:41After I went public about a year later,
07:43I'd been going around the country by this time,
07:45being asked to speak,
07:46saying that they were shelving babies to die
07:48in this loyal detoural room,
07:49and so they created what they called the comfort room.
07:51This was a small, nicely decorated room,
07:53complete with a first photo machine
07:55in case parents wanted professional pictures taken
07:58of their aborted babies,
07:59baptismal supplies in case they wanted their babies baptized,
08:03and a foot printer and baby bracelets
08:05in case they wanted keepsakes of their aborted babies.
08:08And they kept it locked,
08:09but I got in one night and took pictures,
08:12and you can see them.
08:13They're on the internet,
08:13Price Hospital Comfort Room,
08:15and that's one of the reasons I eventually got myself fired.
08:18What has been the reaction that you have experienced
08:21when you share with people
08:23that you are both abortion survivors?
08:25The first response seems to always be shock,
08:27and then it's usually followed either by either comments
08:30or looks on their face of disbelief,
08:32like, ah, that's not true, that doesn't happen,
08:34there's no way, something's got to be off there, right?
08:36Or I'll see people automatically burst into tears.
08:39They don't know even how to handle it,
08:40how to process it.
08:41Often, there's also a look of guilt
08:44I'll see in a lot of people's eyes.
08:46Most of the time when I go speak
08:48and share my story with the group,
08:49I can't think of a time when I've done it,
08:51and I haven't had somebody come up to me afterwards
08:53who either had an abortion
08:55or helped somebody else get an abortion,
08:58and there's just guilt.
09:00You can see that they've been carrying some for decades.
09:03I survived my birth mother's D&E abortion
09:06that aborted my twin next to me,
09:08and I've always wondered what my twin actually experienced
09:12and what maybe I experienced in the womb next to my twin.
09:17I'm no expert on fetal pain.
09:20I've done amniocentesis,
09:21just amniocentesis for diagnostic procedures.
09:24You're putting a needle into the amniotic sac
09:26where the baby is,
09:27and you can hit the baby with a needle.
09:28You can't see them,
09:30and you can feel them pull away.
09:32We're talking 16 and 17 weeks,
09:33so anyone who sits there and tells you that these fetuses can't feel pain,
09:38I don't believe that for a minute.
09:40So they would feel the pain of being dismembered
09:42until and unless that anesthesia kicked in,
09:45if they're even using the kind of anesthesia that would do that.
09:48I used to think it was okay
09:50that if I aborted early enough
09:52that the baby wasn't harmed,
09:55I always wanted to know
09:57when that vacuum was finally turned off.
10:01Where did the baby go?
10:03Medical waste.
10:06Where it took that policy?
10:08I know in some facilities,
10:09they actually refer to the area
10:11where the remains of the killed babies are
10:15as the nursery.
10:17We had a big freezer in our facility,
10:20so a biohazard would come in monthly,
10:22so it wouldn't smell like death and rotten.
10:26We would tie the bags at the end of the day
10:29with all these dismembered babies inside
10:31and open up the big freezer
10:33and you would see blocks of ice
10:35of all the aborted children from the month.
10:39You know, my parents said they would have adopted
10:41both me and my twin.
10:43I was a twin survivor,
10:45so I accidentally survived a T&E abortion
10:48that successfully tore my twin's body apart
10:50similar to the ones you expect together.
10:55I'm just imagining what you had to experience
10:58in that room seeing the humanity of the baby,
11:00somebody like my twin.
11:02And I'd love to hear,
11:04did you see that baby while you were doing that?
11:08Did you see their humanity?
11:10I did, immediately.
11:12I immediately recognized
11:14this is not a second tissue,
11:16this is all a lie,
11:17this is a deception and it's a baby.
11:20And I was horrified.
11:21And I was only there for very little time.
11:25And I ran out of grand parenthood
11:27and never looked back.
11:29But I had to forgive all who failed, right?
11:32Society with their lies.
11:34The educators came to my school
11:35when I was a little girl.
11:36And also the abortionists that I felt lied to me,
11:38like, failed me, right?
11:40And so now that I'm publicly speaking,
11:43you know, as a former worker,
11:45I know the courage that it takes.
11:47How do you feel the abortionists failed you?
11:50Because I worked behind the doors of grand parenthood.
11:53And when I started to work there,
11:56they trained me to change my vocabulary.
11:58They told me never use the word baby on abortion days,
12:01fetus, mother, father.
12:02You tell the women it's a sack of tissue.
12:04You never let them see the ultrasound.
12:06But I was the one that had to look for the body parts.
12:08I didn't know when I assisted the first abortion
12:11that I had to look for body parts.
12:12I seriously, with my whole heart,
12:14thought I was going to look for a sack of tissue.
12:15But to my shock and my surprise,
12:17they were babies.
12:19I spent two days in a room
12:22with 12 cameras and 10 people,
12:24capturing some of the most intense
12:27and incredible conversations
12:29that I have ever been a part of in my life.
12:31I sat there with people who were abortionists.
12:34And I finished that abortion
12:35and all I could see was somebody's son or daughter.
12:38Abortion survivors.
12:40These people who I believe should have loved me the most,
12:42they tried to take my life.
12:43And women and men who experienced abortion regret.
12:46My boyfriend at the time is in the bedroom crying
12:50because he begged me not to do it.
12:52Light Action's new series, Face to Face,
12:55breaks ground that has never been broken before.
12:57It brings together the people
12:58on all parts of the abortion tragedy
13:00and has them sit down for the first time together
13:03face to face.
13:04Make sure you're following live action
13:07to be the first to see face to face
13:09and share it.
13:10I spent two days in a room
13:15with 12 cameras and 10 people,
13:17capturing some of the most intense
13:20and incredible conversations
13:21that I have ever been a part of in my life.
13:23I sat there with people who were abortionists.
13:27And I finished that abortion
13:28and all I could see was somebody's son or daughter.
13:30Abortion survivors.
13:32These people who I believe should have loved me the most,
13:34they tried to take my life.
13:35And women and men who experienced abortion regret.
13:38My boyfriend at the time is in the bedroom crying
13:43because he begged me not to do it.
13:45Light Action's new series, Face to Face,
13:47breaks ground that has never been broken before.
13:49It brings together the people
13:50on all parts of the abortion tragedy
13:53and has them sit down for the first time together
13:55face to face.
13:57Make sure you're following Light Action
13:59to be the first to see face to face
14:01and share it.
14:02I'm listening to your abortion story
14:07about your mom was projected to be, what,
14:0918 or 19 weeks pregnant?
14:11And she was actually 31.
14:13This is a medical term that is not complementary.
14:15What kind of barber doesn't know the difference
14:18between a 19-week and a 31-week pregnancy?
14:21We did ultrasounds on every single one
14:23of our abortion patients.
14:24That was part of our evaluation
14:25to make sure we never got in that situation.
14:27I hear now about medical abortion
14:29or chemical abortion being done
14:32with internet websites
14:33where your contact with the patient
14:36is limited to either a video chat or text.
14:41You cannot adequately determine
14:42gestational age on video chat.
14:44You cannot tell if a patient may be carrying
14:47an ectopic pregnancy on a video chat.
14:49This is dangerous and this is being promoted.
14:52If you would have been my abortionist
14:54and you knew that my birth mom was 31 weeks
14:58instead of 18 to 20,
15:00what would you have done?
15:01We're going to have a delivery.
15:03I'm listening to your abortion story
15:05about your mom was projected to be, what,
15:0818 or 19 weeks pregnant
15:09and she was actually 31.
15:11This is a medical term that is not complementary.
15:14What kind of barber doesn't know the difference
15:16between a 19-week and a 31-week pregnancy?
15:19We did ultrasounds on every single one
15:21of our abortion patients.
15:22That was part of our evaluation
15:23and make sure we never got in that situation.
15:25I hear now about medical abortion
15:27or chemical abortion being done
15:30with internet websites
15:31where your contact with the patient
15:34is limited to either a video chat or text.
15:39You cannot adequately determine
15:40gestational age on video chat.
15:43You cannot tell if a patient may be carrying
15:45an ectopic pregnancy on a video chat.
15:47This is dangerous and this is being promoted.
15:50If you would have been my abortionist
15:53and you knew that my birth mom was 31 weeks
15:56instead of 18 to 20,
15:58what would you have done?
16:00We're going to have a delivery.
16:01I can be down the hall and deliver a live baby,
16:06be involved with labor and delivery
16:09and this good old doctor Robinson happy
16:12and encouraging with a push.
16:14Yeah, the baby's almost here.
16:15Here's the baby.
16:17Cut the umbilical cord and everybody's happy
16:20and walk a few feet down the hall
16:24and I kill the baby.
16:26Same person, same doctor,
16:30but I don't believe they're really
16:33the same person spiritually.
16:36The enemy has the capability
16:38of manifesting himself in you appropriately.
16:43And again, I take responsibility for that,
16:45but you're actually able to flip the switch
16:49almost instantaneously from healer to killer.
17:00When I had to look for the body parts,
17:02the five pieces of the baby,
17:04the first time I knew that was a human being.
17:07The scales fell off my eyes
17:08and I was literally in shock
17:12and the abortionist came in
17:15to make sure that everything
17:17was in the Petri dish, right?
17:18This big dish that we had
17:19and he was whistling
17:21and I remember him saying to everybody,
17:23what are we all going to have for lunch?
17:25When before this abortion,
17:27he told me to tell the young woman
17:28it was not a baby,
17:29it was a sack of tissue
17:30and I remember screaming inside of myself,
17:34how can he not see what I'm seeing?
17:37Did you see?
17:38Did you see that those were babies?
17:43I can answer that for myself.
17:45I cannot speak for any other abortionist in the world.
17:49Did I know those were human beings?
17:52Absolutely.
17:54I didn't care.
17:57I did not care.
18:00If there's just one thing you could say,
18:02every woman that you performed an abortion on
18:05and they got some one line
18:07or short message from you,
18:08what would that message be?
18:09If you're pregnant
18:10and if you're thinking about an abortion,
18:14I appreciate the tremendous pressure
18:18that you're feeling right now.
18:19You may be worried about finances.
18:23You may be worried about family.
18:26You may be worried about work.
18:28But no matter what your situation is,
18:32no matter where you're coming from,
18:35you and only you
18:37can give your son or daughter
18:40the chance to live just like you.
18:44You're a good mom.
18:46You're a good mom.
18:48Say it.
18:50I'm a good mom.
18:53Say it.
18:54When I think about my abortionist,
19:03the final days of his life,
19:07I've always wondered if he ever thought of me.
19:14And I don't know that you can answer that.
19:16I can only speak for myself.
19:22Yeah, I think about them.
19:24I lost my daughter before her sixth birthday.
19:28My brother Mark was my closest friend in the world.
19:31He died of cancer 12 years ago.
19:33And I believe,
19:35certainly I want to believe,
19:37but I do believe that when my time comes,
19:39the two of them are going to be there.
19:41I'll know it's time
19:42because they're going to be there.
19:43I believe that.
19:45It scares the hell out of me.
19:48But maybe those 1,200 kids
19:49are going to be there too.
19:59When I met my birth mother,
20:01I saw this incredible pain in her eyes.
20:04I had never seen anything like it.
20:06I truly got to listen to her
20:07because she wept uncontrollably
20:11as she told me about her abortion.
20:13My birth mother was actually taken
20:14for a second abortion.
20:16They actually didn't do it
20:17because she was too far along
20:18and because they had ripped the amniotic sack
20:20that I was in,
20:21but she went into two abortion facilities.
20:24And she has such deep regret for that.
20:26And she told me,
20:27Claire, I aborted your twin
20:29and then I tried to abort you.
20:30And then when that didn't work,
20:31I gave you away.
20:32How could you ever love or forgive me?
20:34But I think that that truly helped me
20:36empathize with the woman like y'all
20:37because I know what she needed
20:39in her moment of desperation.
20:41And the reason I know that
20:42is because I had my own unplanned pregnancy
20:45and I had what my birth mother didn't have.
20:48I had the support of the father of my baby,
20:50who now my husband.
20:51I had the support of my family.
20:53And I had friends that told me,
20:54Claire, hold your head up high
20:56because the life within you
20:57is always something to be celebrated.
21:00My medical records reflected
21:01my birth mother was between 18 and 20 weeks pregnant
21:05when a saline infusion abortion
21:07was forced upon her against her will
21:09by passing hospital regulations at that time.
21:12But through my medical records,
21:14we now know that she was probably
21:16more like 31 weeks
21:17when that abortion was performed.
21:19I soaked in that toxic salt solution.
21:22My birth mother experienced that
21:24over a five-day period.
21:26The belief, of course,
21:27was that it would successfully end my life.
21:30But the fear then became
21:31that she was going to lose hers in it
21:33because it was taking so long.
21:35So on the fifth day of the abortion procedure,
21:38I was finally expelled from the womb
21:40and they would provide me medical care,
21:42but simply because that's where
21:44that late-term abortion was being performed.
21:46The day that I now celebrate as my birthday
21:48is the day that I was accidentally born alive.
21:51Failing abortion is horrendous.
21:53It's one of these procedures
21:55we don't do anymore.
21:57The procedure is through an amniocentesis,
22:01put a needle into the amniotic sac,
22:03draw as much of the amniotic fluid out as possible,
22:07and then substitute 20% salt solution.
22:10The salt solution would burn the babies,
22:12and when they died,
22:13they would release prostitutin as an initiated labor.
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