00:00It solves justice for us.
00:23Well, this is the end of Fabiola's new life.
00:26We are eager to know what will happen in this audience.
00:31Yes, we have two key issues.
00:33We are waiting for, in fact it should have already come out,
00:37but it hasn't come out yet, the failure of the camera
00:40to see if Alberto Fernández's trial in the cause for gender violence is confirmed.
00:44And then there is another issue that has to do with the request for psychiatric expertise
00:49from Fernández to Fabiola Llanes.
00:51A request that, according to Llanes' legal representation,
00:54is absolutely irregular for a legal issue.
00:57They do it in capital.
00:58And well, there is an appeal.
01:00Marina, Alberto Fernández's defense insists on that expertise.
01:03That expertise is appealed.
01:04Now we are going to work a little on the arguments of why they appeal that expertise.
01:08Fernández's defense also insists that Fabiola Llanes never gave the cell phone.
01:14Now we are also going to talk about the cell phone key.
01:16But look, why is the psychological expertise appealed?
01:21The request for psychological and psychiatric expertise
01:25regarding Mrs. Llanes is underestimated,
01:27as well as any type of expertise of the remaining constancies in cars
01:30that tend to draw conclusions
01:32regarding absolutely incompatible issues with the judge who intervenes.
01:37Let us remember that the request was made in capital justice
01:40in an absolutely strange way, because there is no possible jurisdiction there.
01:45We have more.
01:47We have part of this appeal.
01:50It says, in relation to the contact with the father,
01:53if they can put it in full to read, it would be great.
01:56There is something important here, right?
01:57Because, of course, that request for expertise is appealed, among other things,
02:01because there is a minor in between.
02:02Exactly.
02:03Mrs. Llanes says,
02:04it does not present any type of inconvenience for Mr. Fernández
02:07to make virtual or even face-to-face contact with his son Francisco
02:11when he decides to leave the country and travel to the city of Madrid,
02:14since Fernández has no restriction to such effect
02:17and has all the necessary resources.
02:19This is due to the fact that Fernández denounces an impediment to contact.
02:22Llanes says,
02:23never.
02:24No, no, in fact, Marina,
02:26several times the ex-president maintained a link through the phone
02:30and even got annoyed over time.
02:33Of course, we are talking about a little boy,
02:35I do not want to go into much detail, because there is a minor in between,
02:38but this was happening.
02:40And there is more.
02:41There is more, there is more.
02:43And with this we have already closed the presentation.
02:45It says,
02:46ordering psychological and psychiatric examinations to Mrs. Llanes,
02:49in addition to being unconstitutional,
02:51constitutes a re-victimization in a context of institutional violence.
02:55Ordering such examinations to a woman like Fabiola Llanes,
02:58who has been a victim of gender violence at the hands of a processed man,
03:02is, in all lights, re-victimizing.
03:06Well.
03:07If you agree, Facu, we welcome Dr. Mauricio Alessandro.
03:10Mauricio, how are you?
03:11Thank you for joining us.
03:14Thank you very much.
03:15Where are we standing?
03:16Yes.
03:17Well, there has been breaking news.
03:21Now?
03:22Yes.
03:23The examination was suspended.
03:25The judge ordered the suspension of the examination.
03:27Well, attention to this document that we showed,
03:30to these textuals of the appeal.
03:32Those are urgent then, right?
03:33Those are urgent.
03:34Breaking news.
03:35Exclusive.
03:36Indeed.
03:37The judge handles this case with total equidistance
03:43and in a very impartial way.
03:45He understood, with good criteria,
03:47that the appeal of that decision that he himself had taken
03:51to carry out an examination,
03:53meant that the Chamber would solve it.
03:55So, the examination requested by Alberto Fernández is suspended,
03:58who was, I mean, one of the defense's battle horses, right?
04:02Of course.
04:03Well, let's see.
04:04You explained it very well here.
04:06From the beginning, how does this case begin?
04:09This case begins with the opening of a phone
04:12in the framework of a corruption case.
04:14It was not a denunciation of Yañez,
04:16nor was it Yañez who opened that phone.
04:20The court orders to kidnap a phone.
04:23And there it opens.
04:24Of course, and there it is found.
04:25When it opens, it is found with that.
04:26It is kidnapped with that.
04:27When the judge sees it, he draws the line and resolves it,
04:29as any judge would do.
04:31A telegraphic exchange, or a chat,
04:34a person with a black eye,
04:36who claims to have gender violence,
04:38what do you have to do?
04:39Get to know each other,
04:40and say, gentlemen, here is a subject to investigate.
04:42And ask the victim if she wants to demonstrate
04:44what the judge did.
04:45What was done was correct.
04:47She, at first, decided not to continue with that investigation,
04:53and two or three days later,
04:55as a result of a discussion with Alberto,
04:58which had to do with the signing of a statement
05:01that Alberto asked him as a way
05:03to guarantee him a good economic future,
05:06because what he said in text,
05:08Alberto Fernández said,
05:10if you behave well and sign this document
05:13where you say that our relationship was wonderful ...
05:15That is not co-active.
05:17Yes, well, it is a crime for which it is investigated.
05:20So, let's repeat,
05:22the psychiatric examination that Alberto Fernández requested
05:25for the defense of Alberto Fernández,
05:27this obviously had us pending.
05:30That is why we worked on those arguments
05:32with which Fabiola's defense was proposing
05:35to be suspended.
05:36Finally, the judge took place.
05:38The suspension took place,
05:39as a result of what the Chamber says.
05:41The reality is that the judge,
05:42once one appeals,
05:43is dismissed from the hearing.
05:45What he did was what corresponded,
05:46like everything the judge has done so far,
05:48beyond any discussion that we maintain,
05:51because the reality is that Alberto Fernández
05:53always wanted to stop the justice of the city.
05:55Yes.
05:56He had a vocation, like the Esporteño.
05:58Yes, the Esporteño,
05:59but the facts analyzed did not happen in the capital.
06:03No, they happened, clearly.
06:04Some happened in the capital,
06:06some happened in Olivos,
06:07but the reality is that for the person,
06:09and that has already been lost in federal justice twice,
06:12he has already appealed this twice.
06:14That is, he appeals,
06:15I say that it is Ercolini,
06:17Exactly.
06:18because he also speaks of a manifest enmity
06:20on the part of Ercolini,
06:22because they were close or friends
06:24when, perhaps, in his academic life.
06:28He says he was a very good friend
06:30and that now he is a very good enemy.
06:32Yes, he says, he hates me, he wants to see me in prison.
06:34Ercolini does not say that,
06:36he clearly does not say it,
06:37and he says, there is also something
06:39that we have to keep in mind.
06:41Every time a judge does not like someone,
06:43of course,
06:44they begin to say the judge's barbarity
06:46to generate enmity.
06:47It happened at the time as a curse.
06:48Yes, it's barbaric.
06:49They called him a gunman judge.
06:50Yes, yes.
06:51It was like forcing a refusal
06:53that someone would answer
06:55and see if they pick up something.
06:57Alberto Fernández is a professional,
06:59for years.
07:01In fact, look, it's interesting,
07:03because in his 202 pages of his defense
07:05against Ercolini,
07:07which ended with his trial,
07:09he says he never went to see Ercolini
07:11because he, as president,
07:13or as an official, was not in conditions,
07:15but that he did go to see him at the time
07:17for two trials
07:19to try that he would not put us in jail
07:21or that we would not advance in the cause.
07:23He admits having tried
07:25to influence Ercolini.
07:27As president, of course.
07:29Two important businessmen, right, doctor?
07:31If I'm not mistaken, with oil, media, etc.
07:33And how does that story end?
07:35He says that Ercolini got him out of the office
07:37and that's why he got angry.
07:39He says, I never wanted to interfere
07:41in justice, but I went to see Ercolini
07:43to talk to some businessmen
07:45and clearly,
07:47as he did not want me,
07:49he got me out of the office.
07:51The truth is that Ercolini
07:53had nothing to say against that.
07:55What was clear
07:57was that Ercolini had fulfilled his task.
07:59Mauricio, let's tell people
08:01some facts about
08:03the new life of Fabiola Llanes
08:05in Madrid, who returned to work.
08:07She came back a little in the middle
08:09because she is working
08:11for a television channel.
08:13But these are the facts.
08:15She moved out of the neighborhood.
08:17She left the house where she was living
08:19in Puerta de Alcalá,
08:21which is a building
08:23with apartments
08:25of between 50 and 80 square meters,
08:27valued at
08:29a rent of about
08:31180 to 200 euros a day.
08:33She moved to a building from the 1940s,
08:35a little less modern,
08:37logically, with five floors,
08:39with two apartments per floor,
08:41with a monthly rent
08:43a little more expensive.
08:45But she had to leave that neighborhood.
08:47She is trying to rearm
08:49her life, of course,
08:51a new life there in Madrid.
08:53And there is more.
08:55Yes, she resigned from police custody.
08:57I read everything and then I come back to this point.
08:59The Argentine government granted her
09:01custody by judicial order,
09:03with a cost of 300,000 euros per month,
09:05two federal police cash
09:07until January.
09:09Mauricio, here is an important point,
09:11with the issue of rent.
09:13It was not 300,000 per month.
09:15What Minister Burrich said
09:17was that it would take
09:19six months.
09:21All that had cost 300,000 euros.
09:23What does Fabiola live on today?
09:25There is an embargo on
09:27Alberto Fernández's salary.
09:29That is, Alberto Fernández
09:31did not go to pay Francisco's food
09:33of a good degree, but there was
09:35a temporary food that the civil justice
09:37ordered him to extract from his retirement.
09:39The retirement, which is 14 sticks.
09:41More or less between 3,500 and 4,000 euros,
09:43depending on the gap
09:45between the official and the minor.
09:47What does Fabiola live on today?
09:493,500 euros.
09:51No, no, no.
09:53That is for the minor.
09:553,500 to 4,000 euros for the minor.
09:57And does she work?
09:59She has two jobs.
10:01Both have to do with journalism
10:03and public relations, which is her activity.
10:05One is in the daily news.
10:07In March she made her presentation
10:09in the newspaper
10:11with a special segment
10:13that has to do with the life
10:15of the former First Ladies,
10:17which is what she is definitively
10:19and what draws attention in Spain.
10:21I go back a minute to the issue of the custody
10:23that I was left pending.
10:25There is a version that says
10:27that she disconnects the custody
10:29because the custodians were
10:31Alberto Fernández's henchmen
10:33or that in fact they will be presented
10:35to the judge.
10:37At the time, the custody that
10:39Alberto Fernández had
10:41was the one that remained
10:43with her in Spain.
10:45At some point she told the judge
10:47that she suspected that the custody
10:49that Alberto Fernández had brought
10:51had accompanied him.
10:53Alberto Fernández, one day before leaving,
10:55made a decree that the custody
10:57has to accompany the former presidents
10:59and the family of the former presidents
11:01all over the world.
11:03So what she said was
11:05change it because I think
11:07they agree with me,
11:09with Alberto.
11:11And then the court ordered the change.
11:13Wait a minute, Horacio.
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