00:00Attention, because this 10-kilometer trail we can confirm, in principle, that it has given negative.
00:08No trace of the IAN has been found in one of the many that will be carried out, but in this one, 10 kilometers,
00:15which started from the point where we are exactly standing now with Diego Traferi,
00:20and traveled upstream and downstream, 10 kilometers, passing through an island,
00:25and going through all kinds of dirt, mud, trunks, branches, weeds,
00:34and places where something could have stopped, something would have floated here because of this.
00:41Well, bad news.
00:42Well, we have to confirm that nothing has been found, Facu, exactly.
00:45Bad news because there was a good expectation.
00:47Bad or good.
00:48In that search, not bad and good, of course, you are right.
00:50Bad and good. What reading do you make of this?
00:53I think that apart from looking for the body, and the minor,
00:59they should have already opened up, it is a fight that we had with the Loan case, for example,
01:03we were working with a software that we developed, and intercrossing communication antennas.
01:08There is a big problem that we have that the DAFICI does not,
01:12first, that the federal justice does not interfere immediately,
01:16after we asked for the offices, we tracked all the antennas that had been in the area,
01:21all the places that had been located, we made the triangle,
01:24all the places that had been impacted in that area and that had passed.
01:27We asked them to go to the office to inform who they are,
01:30and these people to call them to testify.
01:32Now, it never progressed with that.
01:34Well, there you give us a foot.
01:36And the truth is that you could also make an intercrossing between people.
01:40Of course, there you give us a foot because today the Attorney General, Betina Kropi, spoke.
01:44If you agree, we share what she said.
01:46Let's see.
01:48Can you clarify about the presence of the alleged bailiff who came to the house and was there those days?
01:56Where did he come from? What did he do? Where did he go? Is he under investigation?
02:01Look, everything is under investigation. Everything is under investigation.
02:04I'm not going to talk about what we kidnapped, where we kidnapped him,
02:09who we interviewed, who are the suspects.
02:15You have to be very cautious and very careful at this time.
02:18This is a very complex investigation.
02:20And any data that I could say about a concrete measure of evidence,
02:24like the one you are pointing out to me,
02:26or any other investigative line, hypothesis of a larger or smaller entity,
02:32the investigation is at risk.
02:34And at this time, I understand the concern of the community.
02:37I understand the need for information.
02:40But there is a limit that is precisely that the investigative lines in which it is being worked do not interfere.
02:46There are messages that arouse suspicion.
02:50I'm not asking you to clarify your content or who they are.
02:53But there are messages that established an investigative line that aroused some kind of uncertainty in the court.
03:00All the messages that are on cell phones are being released.
03:03All the messages.
03:05Not only the audio messages, the WhatsApp messages, the calls,
03:10the antennas used in the place by the cell phones,
03:14the content and the provisional value of all those results cannot be given.
03:20In other words, they are being released.
03:22These do have absolute tranquility,
03:24that all the kidnapped devices are being released, of course.
03:28Well, what you were saying, the subject of cell phones is being investigated.
03:32You didn't talk about intercrossing calls.
03:34You talked about cell phone content.
03:36Currently, internationally, we are going towards that.
03:39Not only the fact of getting the data from the cell phone,
03:43that they use an Israeli software, etc.
03:45There is another software that allows you to cross all the calls.
03:49But the ideal is what they do in the United States or Canada.
03:53You are lost, or you call and you have a key word, or you are suicidal.
03:58They triangulate you, they pick up the phone right away,
04:01they call the telephone company and say,
04:03tell me where this cell phone is.
04:05And they locate you by fine and coarse geolocation.
04:08Coarse geolocation is in which antenna you impacted.
04:11Fine geolocation is at what distance you are from the antenna,
04:14how long did the signal take to arrive,
04:16and with what intensity.
04:18And based on a formula, we calculate where you are more or less,
04:21with a certain accuracy.
04:22Between 5 and 50 meters.
04:24And apart, in the case, for example, of Logan,
04:27what I did was look for all those who were near those antennas,
04:30all the close ones.
04:31And then, those who were suspicious,
04:33I followed them for three days where they were.
04:35Because from there it gives me indications too.
04:37Of course, here there is so much hermeticism,
04:39that it is not known if that work is being done.
04:41Let's go to Cristian Balbo, let's get the signal back.
04:43Cris, you're on air, let's go.
04:47It is important to emphasize, and it still continues with the tracking,
04:50there are 4,000 meters around which they are working.
04:53But it is important to emphasize what the prosecutor said on the day.
04:56First, there are no detainees.
04:58Four days after the disappearance of Elian, there are no detainees.
05:02Second, for the moment, for the moment,
05:05there are no indications that generate the idea
05:09that the federal justice system has to intervene.
05:11For now, for the moment.
05:13And third, data provided by the prosecutor,
05:15is that they do not rule out the idea that Elian was thrown into the river.
05:19And that's why Le Pueblas is on the banks of what is the margin of the Third River,
05:25because they are still working in that place,
05:27but we suppose that in principle it could also be negative.
05:30Specific data.
05:3115 raids.
05:32And we asked the prosecutor today,
05:34we asked her, Marina Facundo,
05:36only raids here in the province of C贸rdoba,
05:39or also in other regions, in other provinces?
05:42And the answer was, also in other places.
05:44And we presume that those other places have been in the province of Jujuy.
05:4915 raids.
05:5025 cell phones kidnapped.
05:52Do you know who?
05:53Let's walk, look.
05:54Not only from Elian's family,
05:56but also from all the neighbors who live here,
05:59in this brick cutout.
06:01That is, all these neighbors have been kidnapped by cell phones.
06:04And even, this is a judicialized area.
06:07That's why they want us to only advance on a perimeter,
06:11which, notice that everything is taped,
06:13because they don't want the evidence to be contaminated.
06:15For example, the neighbors of this property have been kidnapped by mobile devices.
06:19The same as those who are here about 300 meters away.
06:23And so on.
06:2430 testimonial statements.
06:26From who?
06:27From all these neighbors.
06:28Most of the testimonial statements are from members of the Bolivian community.
06:326 vehicles kidnapped.
06:346 vehicles.
06:35The last one today.
06:36There was talk of 3 white trucks.
06:38There was also talk of a Volkswagen Suran,
06:41gray in color.
06:42Presumably it would also have been kidnapped.
06:44I have a query about the vehicles.
06:46Yesterday the hypothesis was very firm, I mean,
06:50that they were being searched, or that the search was imminent.
06:53Did that stay in something?
06:55Was it known if that search was made on the vehicles?
06:57Maria, let's go back a little.
06:59Was it known who they kidnapped?
07:01Where?
07:02How?
07:03There was talk of an image.
07:05Tremendous vehicles.
07:07Where are they going to be?
07:09South of Ballesteros.
07:10What is this hermeticism?
07:12Exactly.
07:13There are 2 Japanese trucks, 2 Toyota trucks and a Amarok.
07:16All 3 are white.
07:18There is a lot of attention on a Toyota with black polarized viruses.
07:21But the truth is that today we also asked the prosecutor,
07:24because they are working with a hermeticism,
07:27where they talk about preventing the area from being contaminated.
07:31That's why they allow us to work in this place.
07:33And on the other hand, we also asked why they don't allow us to interview the neighbors.
07:36For example, we can't interview the neighbor of that house.
07:38He provided a testimonial statement, but the press cannot access it.
07:41And they say, to avoid any kind of hindrance.
07:43Maybe these testimonies can bring us closer to the truth,
07:46and we are in a crucial stage.
07:47If you interview them, maybe what they provide you after their testimonial
07:51can hinder one of our lines of investigation.
07:54In this way, they are justifying the prosecution
07:56because they are so hermetic in terms of investigation.
08:00For example, we don't know where the 6 vehicles are kidnapped.
08:02We didn't have access, we couldn't see how they are carrying out the investigations.
08:06There are many restrictions in this case.
08:08They don't want to make any mistakes.
08:10However, we also asked the prosecutor.
08:12Let's see, the Sofia alert was given 24 hours later.
08:15The prosecutor corrects me.
08:16It wasn't 24 hours later, Valvo, it was 15 hours later.
08:19However, 15 hours later, that's a long time.
08:21There is a protocol, there is a bureaucratic issue, and so on.
08:23But in 15 hours, since they could have taken this minor,
08:27if we are talking about an abduction,
08:28on this rural road,
08:30he could have ended up in any other province,
08:32and even outside the country.
08:34They explained that these 15 hours have to do with
08:36because to apply this protocol and the Sofia alert,
08:38there is a whole issue of gear that has to be given
08:41for the federal forces to intervene effectively.
08:44We also asked them,
08:45what kind of controls have been made in the highways,
08:48for example, Rosario-C贸rdoba,
08:49in the routes here in the province of C贸rdoba,
08:51and they said, well, in that sense, it has also been worked on,
08:54but there is a real issue.
08:56You can't make absolute control
08:58in all the routes and highways of the country
09:01to be able to give with the minor.
09:03So, there are some gray areas
09:05regarding how you can work to give with a minor
09:08when a Sofia alert is applied.
09:10But on the other hand, they want to work this way.
09:12They want to work this way.
09:30Thank you, Cristian, for the coverage.
09:31Cristian, complete the coverage.
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