00:00of the Pope, the last statement already spoke of a mild kidney failure, remember what was the
00:07weekend, first a respiratory crisis, then a mild kidney failure was added,
00:14the last statement speaks of a night where new respiratory crises did not occur, but a
00:22critical forecast, the same and the Pope and the Pope spent it resting, he is resting, that is, he
00:29did not even get up, basically what he is saying from that part is that he could not even get up,
00:32there was a turn, Antonio, absolute on the weekend, absolute, because on Friday they give the first
00:37press conference at the door of the clinic, the Gemelli hospital, and they talk about, you cannot
00:42say that you are out of danger, but in principle you are not at risk of death, their doctors had said,
00:45everything changed, it seems to me, during the weekend, we are going quickly to Rome, Mr. Cristian
00:50Martin, good morning, good morning Antonio, here we are at the Gemelli hospital, one day with a
00:58much cooler temperature than the previous days, as you said, it is the last part that indicates
01:03that the Pope had a good night, these parts come out at the first hour of the morning here in Italy,
01:09it does not mark that if he is active, if he had a good breakfast, if he had activity, if he is lucid,
01:16we understand that yes, that no matter how much this press release, always made by Matteo Bruni,
01:25the spokesman for the Holy See, an Italian of English origin, who is in charge of the communication
01:31of the Vatican, is absent, but as they said, it indicates that he rested well, he slept well, he
01:39is recovering, and that is a bit of the consequence of what we marked yesterday, after the great
01:45shock on Saturday, yesterday they marked kidney failure, but without a respiratory crisis,
01:51that he is receiving oxygen through the nose, that he does not need a respirator, that he does not need to
01:57be intubated, that the blood tests had gone well, but everything had to receive two
02:03transfusions of blood, really a Pope who has been accumulating problems, from the heart, now
02:10renal, breathing, pneumonia, bronchitis, that the Pope does not have, of course, but for now he is
02:17stable, after the weekend activities, in the room, with a mass, in the small chapel,
02:22what you see up there, Antonio, is the papal dependency, the papal suite, the top part, the
02:2810th floor of this Gemellico Hospital, the press of the world congregated here, as they were changing
02:35the tone of the news of that relief station, of what was on Friday and Saturday,
02:40the new concern, the Roman police, the carabinieri, trying that people do not be
02:46hit, here in the Gemelli Hospital, asking them to go to pray at the Piazza San Pietro, in the Vatican,
02:51we are more or less 10 kilometers northwest, a hospital of 1,500 beds, large, with a lot of
02:57capacity, but there were protests in favor of Ukraine, in favor of Palestine, today there is a national public
03:02transport stop, therefore the police are looking for people not to be hit, people here have
03:06passed, people sporadically, to leave candles, to make a prayer, but it is a hospital that is still
03:11working, where you can imagine, there are good experiences, bad births, sad people
03:17for deaths, for serious diseases, it continues to work. Asthma is something that makes the Pope
03:25need oxygen, his picture is still reserved, he is not out of danger, we understand that perhaps
03:32it is not the word, he is not out of danger, but he is not in danger of dying either,
03:36of something like that, but he is an 88-year-old person, with a volatile, fragile health, as you can imagine,
03:45with this high flow of oxygen, they compensate for the drop in oxygen that does not reach the blood, but
03:52well, a very exciting day yesterday, because a message was expressed after that little mass,
03:57which is seen up there, where that little chapel is, where the mass was celebrated, he was there
04:04accompanied by this Massimiliano Sinapetti, his private nurse, followed closely by Dr. Sergio
04:13Alfiori, director here of the Genelli Hospital, and his head doctor from the Vatican, Dr. Luigi
04:19Carboni. We understand that he is lucid, that he is well, that perhaps he is with less movement,
04:24being receiving oxygen through the nose, he is restricted to move from the bed to what is the
04:29armchair, with his knee problem, as they say here, the armchair, a position that doctors
04:33always ask them to try to have, that allows them to breathe better, and when we understand pain
04:41in the part of the belly and the lower back.
04:46Sorry, what is very different is the scenario that you have behind you, I think it was Thursday or Friday when we spoke there with you,
04:56there was no one, absolutely no one, all the positions of the different media are already appearing,
05:03that is, obviously there is a different tension after what was the weekend, let's remember that ...
05:10Definitely, European Asian media from all African countries, many from Eastern Europe, Portugal, Spain,
05:17of course Italy with the media La Rai, Mediaset, Portuguese media, Brazilian media, Asian media,
05:25there are also 1,500 faithful from the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, British have arrived,
05:30there is also a large population there of Irish descendants who are Catholics, North Americans, Canadians,
05:36Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, from all languages, from all cultures are really,
05:42one feels here that the tension has increased, that there is no longer that spirit of relief that we declared on Friday,
05:49that the eyes of the world are really on this hospital.
05:52Of course, it changed radically.
05:54Because I thought, Antonio and Cristian, that from Wednesday to Thursday there is a more optimistic panorama,
06:01first there is talk of some blood tests that show an improvement,
06:04then there is talk on Thursday of a clinical picture that shows an improvement.
06:08And they omit a statement, in theory, written or said by Francisco himself.
06:11Totally, it is received by Giorgia Meloni, Meloni finds it well,
06:16and that's why, if they didn't come out to talk on Friday, to face the director of the hospital and the doctor of the Pope,
06:21saying, well, obviously, it is not yet out of danger, it is a picture that is still complex,
06:25but where they transmitted in some way that there was an evolution.
06:28Well, when we talk about the respiratory crisis due to the asthma attack, transfusion of blood,
06:32the situation of the last one that ends up informing,
06:37yesterday, well, it seems to me that the scenario begins to change, because also, of course,
06:41when you talk about a 98-year-old patient, 88-year-old,
06:46everything that is being extended makes it much more complicated.
06:51Now, the reports speak of a reserved prognosis, a critical situation,
06:55there is no talk again about the risk of life,
06:58but they are not clarifying that the risk of life is exempt either.
07:02Yes, apart from the work that the Vatican is trying to do to combat fake news,
07:07and conspiracies and conspiracy theories,
07:11we have a couple of contacts inside the hospital who pass us information,
07:15for example, that he is not intubated and that he is not in need of a respirator,
07:20it is important, that marks an improvement,
07:24but when on Friday, many colleagues, including us,
07:28maybe we analyze the possibility of leaving,
07:31that this is already a process of a week,
07:32after that press conference that gave so much optimism and hope,
07:37on Saturday everything got complicated again,
07:40and it was a rain of media, here gathered in the Gemelli Hospital,
07:44respecting, really, there are many people who cover the activities of the Vatican on a daily basis,
07:52we have also discovered, Antonio, colleagues, a really complex world of the Vatican,
07:57where the Pope has many friends and many enemies,
08:00and here, the image of the Pope, perhaps a little more politicized,
08:04as we have in Argentina, there is no white and black Pope,
08:08who has changed, who has demystified the position of the Pope,
08:11who has canceled his vacations, who no longer goes to Castell Gandolfo,
08:14who has made it a museum, who has really faced the political and social problems
08:20of the doors of the Vatican to the outside, but from the inside also,
08:22with serious abuse accusations, and that has made him win some enemies,
08:28the austerity of the Pope is handled in a fitito,
08:30and if it is the Pope, he should not use a fitito,
08:33well, really the Argentine culture of this Pope,
08:37of which many do not understand why he has not yet gone to Argentina,
08:40the work, perhaps, of the Argentine representation in the Holy See,
08:43with a great debt pending, that the Pope finally, at some point, goes to Argentina,
08:48Juan Pablo II did it, Benedict did it, and after 12 years,
08:52Pope Francis has not been in Argentina,
08:54Argentina maintains diplomatic representation in Italy,
08:58and in the Holy See, as in most Catholic countries,
09:01but we have seen an organization, I do not want to say macabre,
09:04it is not the word, but with many interests created,
09:08internal power struggle, where some were already speculating
09:12who can succeed this Pope, when the Pope is still alive,
09:15and said that he will not give up, but as we said earlier,
09:18there is already a whole series of protocols activated,
09:21in terms of possible resignation, in terms of succession,
09:24in terms of burial, that they were agreed,
09:27and the Pope came, he assumed as Pope,
09:29but a Pope loved and respected by the Romans in general.
09:34Cristian, thank you very much, we are back in a little while,
09:37on the central issue of the world, of Argentina,
09:39thank you Cristian, we will return in a little while to the health of the Pope,
09:43the last thing I was clarifying is also,
09:45at some point, we will analyze it in more detail,
09:48one has the version, or the vision of a Pope,
09:50who played very strong politics in Argentina,
09:53obviously, that is not the version of the Pope at church level.
09:58No, be careful, he also played very strong politically
10:00within the internal politics of the Vatican,
10:02in fact, that's why he has many enemies,
10:04because he is a Pope who exercised power,
10:06he expelled many bishops who opposed him,
10:09and be careful, because if there was an election of a new Pope,
10:12by resignation, or because he ends up giving himself the worst outcome,
10:17there are already many cardinals elected by Francisco himself,
10:20Francisco was also in charge, in some way,
10:21of preparing, if you want, his own succession.
10:24Of course, but one here sees the Pope
10:27playing politically in Argentina,
10:29in the church he played very strong politically,
10:32but it is another policy.
10:33It is another policy, there are other games.
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