Barrister Aqeel Malik's Important Opinion on PECA Law Revealed

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00:00Let's take Aqeel Malik.

00:02Mr. Aqeel, you heard what Mr. Maulana had to say today.

00:06He said that you should make laws and do everything.

00:09When you don't have the wits, how will you implement them?

00:14There is a lot of truth in this.

00:16It seems that you have fitted every room,

00:20you have fitted the judiciary,

00:22you have put pressure on the media

00:25that it is becoming impossible to think and speak in this country.

00:28But if you don't have the wits,

00:30and you are missing the big picture,

00:32what will happen?

00:36Thank you very much, Mr. Malik.

00:38First of all, he talked about KP and Balochistan.

00:43Let's talk about Balochistan.

00:45We all know that the issues in Balochistan are definitely there.

00:51We have faced them with regards to security and terrorism.

00:55In KP, after the 18th amendment,

00:59all these issues have been devolved to law and order.

01:02For the past 12 years, his government has been in that area.

01:06In the last tenure, Mr. Taimur Jagda was in the cabinet.

01:11He is my brother.

01:12He will feel bad if I say that he is sitting on the high horse of democracy.

01:19He has crossed the river of fire,

01:22he has fought there,

01:24he has not stolen the mandate of any party.

01:27His government is in that area.

01:29So, he is blaming us.

01:32The mandate of Taimur Jagda has been stolen.

01:35Let's leave the rest.

01:37I am saying the same thing.

01:39One year is about to be completed.

01:41My brother Faisal Warda is also sitting here.

01:44The work that has been done in Punjab or Wafaaq,

01:48I don't think it will be completed in one year.

01:50But Faisal Warda also says that

01:52your government has made a fashion.

01:55You put everything in the establishment.

01:58You are involved in every work.

02:00You are involved in PECA,

02:02you are involved in what is happening in Judiciary.

02:04And you people are doing things

02:06and you put it on the establishment.

02:08You don't own up.

02:10Either you tell me,

02:12you own up and tell me two things.

02:15Listen, I will ask you two specific questions.

02:22I will ask you two specific questions.

02:24The laws made by PECA,

02:27are they 100% made by your government's wish and will?

02:33Their intellectual creativity is number one.

02:36This is the first question.

02:38Secondly, the changes in Judiciary,

02:40the sub-transfers,

02:42is this purely your wish and will?

02:46Or did you get advice from the establishment?

02:52Or are they totally your children?

02:54I will give you a clear cut on both.

02:57In so many words, I will tell you.

03:00When you talk about PECA,

03:02I can tell you that

03:04this discussion has been going on for 2.5-3 years.

03:06The whole matter was going on.

03:08This is not an overnight thing.

03:10My specific question is,

03:12is this a civilian child or a hybrid child?

03:16Tell me this much.

03:18Is this a democratic move or a quasi-democratic move?

03:22Tell me this.

03:24No, no, this is a democratic move.

03:26Of course, we all want to curb fake information,

03:28misinformation, fake news.

03:30So, you won't say tomorrow,

03:32like Mr. Khan said,

03:34you won't say that this was not ours,

03:36this was theirs.

03:38We don't need to say it.

03:40We don't need to say it.

03:42We say that it could have been better.

03:44This is why we keep on inviting

03:46your joint task force.

03:48Secondly, as far as judicial matters are concerned,

03:50whatever you have controlled,

03:52this is purely your

03:54civilian democratic control of the judiciary.

03:56And there is no...

03:58Yes, absolutely.

04:00I can tell you clearly that

04:02the votes that were required,

04:04were watered down.

04:06And the concept of the bench

04:08was a new concept.

04:10It was your brainchild.

04:12It was a civilian brainchild.

04:14Totally.

04:16Yes, absolutely.

04:18Okay, Mr. Faisal.

04:20Aqeel, I'll come back to you.

04:22Now tell me, what did they

04:24publicly say to you?

04:26I appreciate it.

04:28That's why I requested you

04:30to tell Aqeel

04:32that we own it,

04:34but the impression that

04:36Mr. Chandra Khan has,

04:38an anchor like you,

04:40or an anchor like Hamid Mir,

04:42he can't lie publicly

04:44that the ministers called us

04:46and said that we don't know

04:48and we just did it.

04:50This is a wrong impression.

04:52Number one.

04:54Number two is that

04:56they also had a misunderstanding

04:58that if they want to be enemies

05:00then they should get a plate of

05:022025.

05:04No protest, no death,

05:06no D-Chalk, no trump card

05:08to play card,

05:10no protest, no very

05:12severe alliance,

05:14nothing.

05:16All of this is a spice

05:18to the extent of social media

05:20and mainstream media.

05:22Look, Mr. Jagra and I

05:24have different paths.

05:26Have I ever called you a traitor,

05:28a thief, for Ali Muhammad Khan?

05:30No, the one who is sincere is sincere.

05:32The politics that I am doing today,

05:34I have been taught by Mr. Khan,

05:36he forgot it, I remember.

05:38He used to be in the cabinet

05:40and we sat together in many meetings.

05:42I used to speak as bluntly as I could.

05:44But if you ask me today

05:46who is the backbone of this government?

05:48Tariq-e-Insaf.

05:50What did Imran Khan get in two years?

05:52Zero.

05:54The people of PTI got power.

05:56The people of Islamabad, Karachi, Punjab

05:58will remain in KPK.

06:00The security alert that Mr. Maulana

06:02has received today,

06:04that is a threat.

06:06No abuses have been written in it,

06:08everything else is written.

06:10Who did that? I asked,

06:12you are reading it out,

06:14Mr. Ahmed Mir, tell me who saw it?

06:16The police wrote it,

06:18the police is under the CM.

06:20The CM himself has given a statement

06:22for Mr. Maulana.

06:24I will tell you this clearly,

06:26because I have a very loving relationship with him

06:28and I have never gone to him for profit.

06:30Like the rest,

06:32when I needed help at night,

06:34people came to his feet at 3, 4, 6.

06:36And I have maintained that friendship

06:38and will continue to maintain it with him.

06:40But if I need to go to him,

06:42then I will not return empty-handed.

06:44I can tell you this with confidence,

06:46because there is trust,

06:48there is credibility, there are credentials

06:50that you learn and carry on.

06:52I appreciate Mr. Aqeel,

06:54I know there will be problems in the future,

06:56but he accepted because

06:58he has such a big spotlight,

07:00and I think Aqeel has a good face.

07:02There are many other people in his party

07:04who are good people.

07:06Those who are good are good.

07:08I have a question for Aqeel.

07:10Aqeel, just make me understand,

07:12if 100% people are like you,

07:14we have a very good friend,

07:16Mr. Farooq Naseem,

07:18he was the Minister of Law during his time,

07:20who later did not even run up the MQM,

07:22but he did run up the MQM.

07:24If everything is like this,

07:26then why is Mr. Mohsin Naqvi your Interior Minister?

07:28He was not from your party,

07:30he was not owned by Mr. Rana Sinha Allah,

07:32nor was he owned by anyone else.

07:34If there was a problem, he would say,

07:36leave it, you know better.

07:38So please make me understand,

07:40that there is such a 100% democratic setup,

07:42in which there is no question from anyone,

07:44everything is your brainchild.

07:46Please make me understand the presence

07:48of Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.

07:50What can I comment on this,

07:52I think this question

07:54does not come from me,

07:56it comes from the leadership of the party,

07:58and you should definitely ask questions from them.

08:00Of course, I think that

08:02from my point of view,

08:04or my perspective on this,

08:06that the matters of the Interior,

08:08because obviously security,

08:10terrorism,

08:12the internal matters,

08:14those are all matters,

08:16of course, you know,

08:18as a caretaker,

08:20he has seen all the matters,

08:22and of course,

08:24he is handling all the matters well.

08:28You are saying that

08:30he is the most capable minister

08:32in your cabinet,

08:34Mr. Mohsin Naqvi.

08:36No, I am not saying this,

08:38everyone has their own

08:40forte in their work,

08:42so I think his forte,

08:44I think,

08:46you should definitely ask questions from others.

08:48Mr. Aurangzeb too.

08:50Mr. Aurangzeb,

08:52let's take a break,

08:54we have more questions after the break.

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