00:00Security in La Matanza, see these images.
00:04Yes, I have to tell those news that we never want to tell.
00:08Celso Coman, 19 years old.
00:11A boy who worked, lived in the Pirrey del Pino neighborhood
00:15and used a motorcycle of very low speed, at 110.
00:19A very small motorcycle to move from here to there,
00:22in what was his work and his home.
00:25Well, two motorcyclists chased him
00:28at night on Route 3,
00:31when he was arriving at the corner of Escribano,
00:33very close to his house.
00:35And to steal the motorcycle, he was shot by a lighter.
00:38We are only putting this part.
00:40Exactly.
00:41Because everything that follows is...
00:42It's tremendous.
00:43Tremendous.
00:44It is an editorial decision of the program
00:46not to put more than up to here.
00:49Because what you see is a tragedy
00:53in the foreground and I think it does not contribute,
00:57except for the fact that we are discussing...
00:59Seriously, it is not a priority issue.
01:01Matanza is one of the areas with the highest rates.
01:04It is the highest rate.
01:05Matanza, Moreno, Loma de Zamora come in that order,
01:09the highest rate of homicides in the province of Buenos Aires.
01:12The province of Buenos Aires tells you
01:13that the number of homicides decreased the previous year,
01:15and it is true, it decreased it and tells you,
01:17well, I have a rate of homicides that is at 4.10,
01:21of course, but that is averaged with rates of 8,
01:24that is what I am telling you,
01:25with very low rates in the interior of the province.
01:29That is why we are talking about the three hot spots
01:32of the Buenos Aires suburb,
01:34especially Matanza,
01:35especially this area of Virrey del Pino.
01:38Celso immediately falls off the motorcycle,
01:40they barely shoot him,
01:42they steal his motorcycle,
01:44and the neighbors approach him,
01:45because I told you he lived there,
01:47a few blocks from the place where they shot him,
01:51and they take him,
01:52they see him, they recognize him,
01:54they take him to a car,
01:55they take him immediately to the hospital,
01:57simply Vita,
01:58it is the largest hospital in the area,
02:01but unfortunately when he entered,
02:03he had already died,
02:04he had lost a lot of blood,
02:05the bullet had entered through the axis.
02:07I don't know if it happens to you, Gustavo,
02:08but do you hear yourself repeat the same things?
02:10Every day.
02:11And we also tell you the same thing,
02:12that they pay a safety rate in the Matanza,
02:15the neighbors.
02:17I say, of course,
02:18there is a security secretary of the Matanza,
02:21of course Javier Alonso, the minister,
02:24but I say, it's a joke.
02:25Yes, yes, and that they are not going to approach the neighborhood,
02:27this happened this morning,
02:29until now the mayor,
02:31who is the one who should.
02:32It has to be a priority issue,
02:33because it is what worries people the most,
02:36much more than not reaching the end of the month
02:38when they don't have enough money.
02:39And Luis, I am left with something,
02:41that you said these days,
02:42that hurts,
02:43when I dedicated myself to the issue of older people,
02:47and you said this week,
02:48older people, many decide not to go out,
02:51or not to go out alone.
02:53Does anyone have any idea
02:55of how bad it is for an older person to isolate themselves?
03:01That hits directly on the quality of life.
03:04The person who is alone,
03:06who isolates himself, who does not go out,
03:08gets sick.
03:09100%
03:10And we are not talking about this,
03:11we are not talking about this fact,
03:12of an absolutely more regional area,
03:14we are talking about Route 3.
03:16Let's see,
03:17which is one of the routes,
03:18obviously,
03:19of the west,
03:20of the Buenos Aires conurbation,
03:21more used.
03:22You have in that area,
03:23Route 3 and Route 21.
03:24Then you have inner streets.
03:26This did not happen in an inner street.
03:28No, it is not.
03:29Route 3 and Route 21,
03:31you notice that the street is lit,
03:33because it is a route of great use,
03:35it is incredible,
03:36that there can not give security,
03:38in this case,
03:39the mayor of La Matanza,
03:40Fernando Espinoza.
03:41Before we talked about Ituzaningo,
03:43and the neighbors themselves told us,
03:45if they approached,
03:46no one approached,
03:47it is the mayor of Escalso,
03:48in this case it is Pablo Escalso,
03:49it is the relative,
03:50the son of Alberto Escalso,
03:52the eternal.
03:54The mythical man of the conurbation.
03:56No one approaches.
03:57Yesterday we talked about Mor贸n,
03:58Lucas, yes,
03:59and they did not approach us.
04:00On February 3 we also talked,
04:01because it is not one game or another,
04:03and Valenzuela was not there either.
04:05I tell you,
04:06first no one,
04:07I always say,
04:08they do not prevent,
04:09they do not stop,
04:10and they do not appear
04:11to give you a hand later.
04:12I say,
04:13one of the three,
04:14the ideal would be that they prevent.
04:15Because Luis,
04:16we are going to raise the penalties again
04:18in the criminal code,
04:19as we said the other day
04:20with Rub茅n and Luc铆a,
04:22that does not modify.
04:23No.
04:24Those who go out to steal
04:26are not with the criminal code.
04:28Let's see if I kill,
04:29they give me so much,
04:30I better not kill.
04:31It does not exist.
04:32I mean,
04:33it does not exist because really,
04:34and apart,
04:35I do not like to talk,
04:36you see,
04:37that the robbery codes were modified,
04:38the crime codes.
04:39Because,
04:40come on,
04:41the use of the firearm
04:42in the first instance,
04:43before there was,
04:44indeed,
04:45like a,
04:46I do not know,
04:47of a care,
04:48apart from the criminal,
04:49oh,
04:50look,
04:51this image,
04:52this image is tremendous.
04:53Tremendous,
04:54tremendous.
04:55I insist,
04:56we decided,
04:57yes,
04:58let's see it
04:59as far as it is not
05:00horrible
05:01for our television to see it.
05:02I tell our producer
05:03who tells me,
05:04I do not want to put it on air,
05:05with all reason.
05:06He says,
05:07Maxi Russo,
05:08I pass you,
05:09pleasure to work with you,
05:10all these deities.
05:11He says,
05:12I do not want to put it on air
05:13because it is horrible.
05:14But look at this,
05:15this is the fireman
05:16on the move.
05:17They are following him.
05:18On the move.
05:19They start following him
05:20and as soon as they find him,
05:21they kill the fireman.
05:22They do not even try
05:23an alternative method
05:24of robbery
05:25that could be
05:26trying to
05:27throw him
05:28off the motorcycle.
05:29This is what I tell you,
05:30push him off the motorcycle.
05:31That's why,
05:32they do not even try that.
05:33There is also
05:34aggravating the penalties,
05:35it does not discourage
05:36the commission of rights,
05:37because there are areas
05:38that are
05:39liberated
05:40and the neighbors
05:41themselves say so.
05:42So,
05:43that is also
05:44a topic to consider.
05:45It has nothing to do
05:46with how many
05:47written laws
05:48or how hard
05:49the penalties are.
05:50It does not exist.
05:51But that you
05:52really have
05:53a concrete policy
05:54of struggle
05:55against criminality.
05:56And first,
05:57I say,
05:58last year
05:59we worked
06:00on the other channel
06:01with the teacher
06:02and more with another
06:03dear colleague
06:04who is Gustavo Carabajal.
06:05Yes.
06:06And I said,
06:07how easy
06:08it is to have
06:09a very powerful
06:10caliber weapon
06:11or buy it
06:12or rent it
06:13in the black market.
06:14How much
06:15does a hitman
06:16cost?
06:17Nothing.
06:18In economic terms,
06:19for many people,
06:20you can say,
06:21nothing,
06:22nothing.
06:23If one
06:24dedicates himself
06:25to this,
06:26and you think
06:27that because
06:28the penalties increase,
06:29it is attacking
06:30security,
06:31you do not understand.
06:32Speaking with
06:33Prosecutor
06:34Mat铆as Ederi
06:35last year,
06:36you know,
06:37Rosario,
06:38Rosario,
06:39he told me,
06:40a hitman,
06:41today,
06:42a little boy,
06:43because we have seen
06:4416, 15-year-old
06:45hitmen
06:46who are coming out
06:47between 60 and
06:4870 thousand pesos.
06:49Of course.
06:50But how can it be?
06:51Do you remember
06:52the one who entered
06:53the service station?
06:54Yes.
06:55The one who was taken
06:56by the security camera?
06:57Yes,
06:58the service station.
06:59Well,
07:00I want to remember
07:01that to go to Rosario,
07:02he attacked
07:03the federal court,
07:04I say,
07:05which is emblematic,
07:06he shot
07:07and he left
07:08as such,
07:09nothing more happened.
07:10TV channels,
07:11the 305.
07:12The one who solves
07:13the security
07:14stays to live.
07:15He stays to live.
07:16He stays to live.
07:17But it is seen that
07:18no one understands it.
07:19I'm sorry
07:20that you did this
07:21with a subject,
07:22there are none of the
07:23crimes that you
07:24just described
07:25that are not reached
07:26or do not reach
07:27with the penalties
07:28of the Penal Code
07:291921.
07:30The problem
07:31is not that,
07:32the problem
07:33is not that.
07:34It cannot be solved
07:35because if not,
07:36he would stay to live.
07:37No,
07:38it is not simple
07:39because above all,
07:40and this is a personal position,
07:41I insist,
07:42I am bored
07:43to hear you say it,
07:44there is a policy
07:45of deliberate security
07:46for this to happen.
07:47You free the street,
07:48you discredit
07:49the police
07:50economically
07:51and socially.
07:52You generate
07:53a concept
07:54of the Penal Code
07:55is bad.
07:56You are a fascist
07:57if you ask
07:58a criminal
07:59to go to jail.
08:00Hopefully,
08:01abolitionism,
08:02directly,
08:03is the derogation
08:04of all norms.
08:05You concentrate
08:06the drug market
08:07in the hands
08:08of a few.
08:09Well...
08:10Of course,
08:11there is a problem.
08:12I am not going to give the name
08:13because this was
08:14an on-off talk.
08:15A very important
08:16Minister of Security
08:17of one of the many
08:18jurisdictions
08:19there is in Argentina
08:20told me,
08:21the crime
08:22you have to control
08:23from the State.
08:24How?
08:25How do I control you?
08:26Yes,
08:27because if not,
08:28it will fall apart.
08:29The State is the one
08:30who has to decide
08:31in which areas yes,
08:32in which areas no,
08:33in which areas no.
08:34We can't get to this.
08:35Do you want me to tell you more?
08:36We can't get to this
08:37because if not,
08:38they have done worse.
08:39Isn't there a parallelism
08:40with football
08:41and what happens
08:42with the clubs
08:43controlling their clubs
08:44within the clubs themselves?
08:45Yes, of course.
08:46That many times
08:47they tell you,
08:48if you don't control yourself,
08:49you are a parallel bar,
08:50another faction
08:51that fights you
08:52from the outside.
08:53We are talking
08:54about the same Minister
08:55who told me,
08:56you can't attack
08:57everything at the same time.
08:58It is probable.
08:59If you attack
09:00drug trafficking,
09:01I assume we are talking
09:02about the administration
09:03of crime finally,
09:04instead of managing
09:05a policy of fight
09:06against,
09:07it is managed.
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