00:00Today the fire gave a breath, but it does not stop burning, the hearts of those who have lost everything do not stop burning, Luis.
00:07What you are seeing behind me was a two-story house that Deborah, who we are going to talk to her now, had allowed a friend of hers to live here,
00:17with her two, so to speak, also family, her two dogs and two children.
00:25She was able to save her two children, but she could not save, for example, her dogs.
00:31And so we find stories that sincerely make you sad as you try to find little victories or little joys, finding little things that the fire did not take.
00:44And Deborah, who we were just talking to, says, we tried to get there, we wanted to go help other people, but they told us, the fire swept everything in less than 20 minutes.
00:56You had to run out of places. Good morning.
00:58Hello, good morning. Yes, yes, the fire, I don't know, it's incredible.
01:03Everything was put in place, there was no way to stop anything, no water, nothing.
01:10You were born here, Deborah, and you say, I've never seen anything like it, beyond the fact that sometimes there was a fire or something, but this, not even the water put it out.
01:18No, I never participated in such a thing, I never lived it, much less in my own flesh.
01:24So, nothing, it's terrible, it's inexplicable, and you don't know very well what to feel either.
01:32You don't know what to feel, of course, as you see things, you don't know, it's a feeling of sadness mixed with something of seeing how I start again.
01:40Like a blockade, you don't know how to start again, it's very difficult.
01:45I'm not alone, we are hundreds of people who remain the same.
01:50Nothing, it's incredible, it's historical, it had never happened here.
01:55The closest thing to this was what happened in the Hoyo de Golondrinas in 2021, I think it was.
02:00It doesn't look like it.
02:02It doesn't look like it, because, well, it was a fire that happened in four hours, we were here for two weeks.
02:06The temperatures of the fire too, Luis, and I'm listening to you, Deborah.
02:09Yes.
02:10They melted metals, they melted glass, explosions that were heard at a distance, of bottles.
02:17Well, the truth, Luis, is that the situation was desperate, and Deborah, it must be said, is a survivor of so many who can tell.
02:26Let me greet Deborah, hello Deborah.
02:28First, a big hug from here.
02:30First things first, what can we do for you, how can we help you?
02:35It is also difficult to say, because it is still not known where to start again.
02:45That is the difficult part.
02:47I imagine.
02:48To start thinking what to do if one comes back here, does not return.
02:52There is a possibility that you will not return.
02:55It is very difficult.
02:58And I don't know yet.
03:00It's like, there is no other place to go, so you have to be strong and come back.
03:07But it costs a lot.
03:09Are you from there, were you born there or did you go to eradicate yourself?
03:15No.
03:17Oh, what a shame that we are cut off.
03:19Let's see if we are lucky.
03:21In the meantime, Luis, tell you.
03:22Yes, of course.
03:26I think we'll get her back, sorry, mummy, sorry.
03:28Are you there, Deborah?
03:31Yes, I'm here.
03:32I was wondering if you were from there or had you gone to eradicate yourself there?
03:37I was born here, in this house, no, in the house next door, which was my grandparents.
03:42I will never be indiscreet with a lady, but how old are you?
03:5044 years ago.
03:52Have you ever seen anything like this in these 44 years?
03:57No, never, never, never.
03:58Never.
03:59I didn't see it or live it.
04:02Do you feel accompanied by the authorities or did they leave you alone, like so many?
04:10No, they are the first to disappear.
04:14Nothing, there were many issues, there are many very rare issues.
04:21And yes, I feel accompanied by the solidarity of the people, that yes.
04:25That's shocking.
04:26What do you mean by there are rare things?
04:28If you want, if you don't want, everything is fine.
04:33I don't know, there were many rare situations.
04:36People began to go to jail, which was not understood why.
04:40Hydrant planes were attacked at the airport.
04:47Fires were lit in places that had nothing to do with where the fire was at the time.
04:52It was all very strange and very desperate.
04:56If they were listening to you, it doesn't matter who,
05:00the authorities that should be on your side, if they are watching you right now,
05:04talk to them.
05:10I wouldn't know very well what to say.
05:15I think it is very important that the people are not abandoned, that.
05:20Nothing less.
05:21And that much less is attentive to the people.
05:23驴C贸mo est谩 compuesta tu familia, Debora?
05:28Mi familia somos mi compa帽ero Fernando.
05:33Mis hijos que viven conmigo son dos.
05:39Y la hija de Fernando.
05:41驴Y qu茅 edad tienen los chicos?
05:46Mi hija 19, mi hijo 15 y la hija de Fernando 17.
05:51驴Debe ser especialmente duro para ellos que est谩n...
05:55Primero tienen el privilegio de vivir ah铆, que es un lugar so帽ado realmente,
05:58y ver esto que arras贸 con todo, 驴no?
06:04S铆, y el miedo.
06:06Tuvimos mucho miedo, no se sab铆a cu谩ndo iba a parar esto.
06:11No te sent铆as seguro ni siquiera en el centro del bols贸n.
06:14Claro, claro, claro.
06:17Porque no frenaba el fuego.
06:19Claro.
06:20驴Te pasa a vos, Debora, lo que a muchos vecinos y amigos que deben estar en el lugar,
06:23que est谩n todos afectados, que han perdido...
06:27No quiero ser m谩s dram谩tico, pero perdieron todo.
06:32S铆, s铆.
06:34Hay personas, de hecho, que est谩n en peores condiciones que esto.
06:38Ac谩, en mi terreno, quedaron 谩rboles vivos.
06:41Pero el de mi mam谩, que est谩 ac谩 al lado, no qued贸 ni un 谩rbol vivo.
06:45Nada.
06:46Te mando un abrazo enorme, Debora, para lo que necesites.
06:50Ah铆 est谩 Alejandro.
06:51Alejandro, no s茅 si quer茅s preguntar algo m谩s desde all铆.
06:55S铆, simplemente contarte, Luis, que Debora es una peque帽a historia,
06:59y son perfectas las preguntas que le has hecho, de gente que es aut贸ctona de aqu铆,
07:03que toda su vida vivi贸, y que se encontr贸 con algo que no sab铆a c贸mo combatirlo,
07:08porque nunca les pas贸.
07:10Y focos en lugares, que era incre铆ble describir.
07:13Ellos dec铆an, en un momento est谩bamos all谩, se nos prend铆a atr谩s,
07:16pero tambi茅n se prend铆a a cuatro kil贸metros de manera inexplicable.
07:19Y el fuego nos rodeaba.
07:21Y en 20 minutos, nos atrapaba.
07:24Incluso ellas, siendo de aqu铆, y habiendo por ah铆 saber el tema de los vientos,
07:29el fuego los atacaba y los hac铆a correr, Luis.
07:31Total.
07:32Bueno, gracias, Alejandro. Volvemos cuando vos lo digas.
07:34Un fuerte abrazo, Luis.
07:35Hasta luego.
07:36Perd贸n que te interrump铆 muy bien.
07:37Me dec铆as que hay...
07:38No los salude a todos.
07:39Buen d铆a a todos.
07:40Buen d铆a, Luis.
07:41En los t铆tulos, me dec铆as que hay informaci贸n.
07:43Hay un informe, justamente, que env铆a todos los d铆as el Ministerio de Seguridad de Patricia Bullrich,
07:48a cargo ahora de los incendios y los fuegos.
07:50A ver, en el Parque Nacional Lan铆n, son 15.200 las hect谩reas.
07:56Claro, claro.
07:57Solo en el Lan铆n.
07:58En el Parque Nacional Nahuel Guapi, justamente en otro sector, en Los Manzanos, son 10.233.
08:07Yo creo que esta cantidad de hect谩reas, para volver a recuperarse y volver a verse, son m铆nimo 40 a帽os.
08:13Nos ayuda el Prol贸stico del Tiempo.
08:15Buen d铆a, Nacho.
08:16Arr贸bamete, Nacho.
08:17Nos ayuda.
