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脷LTIMO MOMENTO: HABLA EL ABOGADO DE MORENA RIAL
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馃敶 脷LTIMO MOMENTO: HABLA EL ABOGADO DE MORENA RIAL
"Est谩 dolorida. La lastimaron con las esposas.
"No est谩 en condiciones psicol贸gicas"
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00:00
Juan Manuel, we are connecting with you. Are you there?
00:03
Yes, yes, we are here. Marina has just left.
00:07
How was Morena's statement?
00:11
In the end, she refused to declare.
00:16
She refused to declare, she was not in good condition.
00:20
She also had a strong pain in her wrists,
00:23
to which I had to insist on the Public Prosecutor's Office,
00:26
they did not want her to do it in writing,
00:29
and until it was resolved, the condition could worsen in her hands.
00:33
Yes. What does she have in her hands?
00:36
They handcuffed her very aggressively,
00:38
and this caused a deterioration,
00:40
more than she already had, I think, a crack,
00:43
and well, she has them quite inflamed,
00:45
a matter that was made known to the Public Prosecutor's Office,
00:48
to Mr. Fiscal Ferrari, who did not want to put it in the act
00:51
so that a doctor would not attend it and that I would ask for it,
00:54
but after a discussion, well, he put it in the act in a bad way,
00:58
I do not understand why, because the truth is that I am asking
01:01
nothing more than that the human rights of her be respected,
01:03
as a woman.
01:04
And what was the case?
01:06
In short.
01:07
We did not do anything because she could not declare like that,
01:09
she was sleeping on the floor, she did not have psychic conditions,
01:12
nor any condition for her to be declared.
01:15
But she was made aware of the description of the facts,
01:17
all that, and then she refused to declare, is that so?
01:19
She refused to declare, on my advice, because she could not declare.
01:21
What did she tell you? How is she? How does she feel?
01:23
She feels bad, she is in pain, and well, I hope,
01:26
now that the court is not on duty, that is,
01:29
the inquiry was taken out of a judicial schedule,
01:31
so the petitioners will enter only tomorrow,
01:36
and well, the only thing I hope is that the inherent rights
01:40
to the human being are respected, not just the woman,
01:43
because apparently the judicial party does not respect it.
01:45
Did she ask for her baby?
01:46
She asked, she is still there.
01:47
How many more days would she stay?
01:49
How many more days would she stay?
01:50
And now she has to resolve the guarantee trial,
01:52
and I hope they can fight for their guarantees.
01:55
Did the request for expulsion appear?
01:58
No, because they didn't want to take it,
01:59
she made it enter the act,
02:03
because since she is not in the guarantee trial on duty,
02:05
they didn't want to do it to me, that's why.
02:07
No, she was introduced,
02:09
the petitioner of the house arrest was introduced.
02:11
She has not eaten for two days?
02:13
Yes, she has not eaten for two days,
02:14
now I was able to reach her something,
02:15
and I'm going to see if at night ...
02:16
Where is Morena going?
02:17
Back to the same police station.
02:19
Are you going to ask for a change of police station, doctor?
02:21
The house arrest,
02:22
but the reality is that you have to see now
02:25
the guarantee judge how long it takes,
02:27
and the truth is ...
02:28
Are you going to talk to Jorge Real?
02:29
No, no, no, I haven't told him anything yet.
02:31
Doctor, are you going to ask for a change
02:33
of the place where she is detained, of the police station?
02:36
No, now I'm just going to wait for a doctor to attend to her,
02:40
which is what corresponds,
02:41
which apparently they don't like in this judicial party.
02:43
How long will they transfer her?
02:45
They have to transfer her right now.
02:46
What does Morena comment on the facts?
02:48
No, no, no, we couldn't talk much,
02:49
because, I repeat, she just arrived,
02:51
everything was done very quickly,
02:52
and she is not in psychological conditions
02:54
to understand something.
02:56
The truth is that I'm not going to get technical
02:59
about a file,
03:00
it's not going to add anything.
03:02
It's a one and a half hour,
03:03
but the process was very fast.
03:05
That's why,
03:06
because Morena is not in a condition to face a process.
03:08
Did you see a psychologist, a psychiatrist?
03:10
No, nobody yet.
03:11
I hope, and I'm going to request it anyway.
03:12
I send you greetings.
03:13
Thank you, thank you.
03:14
Well, next ...
03:15
Do you want to talk to the doctor?
03:16
Ale, Ale, Ale.
03:18
Yes, yes.
03:22
One question, one question, nothing more.
03:25
Yes, one minute, Ale.
03:28
Thank you, thank you, Dr. Chipola.
03:30
I know you are very tired,
03:31
that they are very long days.
03:33
We are shocked,
03:34
because we had the information,
03:36
also ratified by a note of yours,
03:38
that you told us,
03:39
you told Juan Manuel,
03:40
he is going to declare, Morena.
03:42
That is, you entered the prosecution
03:44
convinced that your client was going to declare,
03:46
and then he found something
03:48
that made him change his mind.
03:49
Tell us that, doctor,
03:50
because we are shocked.
03:52
No, the change of opinion
03:54
was Morena's conditions, nothing more.
03:56
Of course.
03:57
Morena's psychological conditions.
03:59
Can you describe to us
04:00
the conditions in which he found her?
04:02
And she is,
04:03
and she is very exhausted.
04:06
She can't keep a conversation,
04:08
a thread,
04:09
because of her own fatigue.
04:10
It's true,
04:11
I couldn't remember two words together,
04:13
so I preferred not to.
04:14
You have to understand
04:15
that she hasn't slept for 48 hours,
04:17
and her previous 24 hours
04:19
were on a floor,
04:20
and she used a pillow,
04:23
a buzzer.
04:24
Alejandro, could you see the file?
04:27
Yes, I saw it,
04:28
and there is absolutely nothing there.
04:29
There are 40 sheets of file,
04:31
and there are no individuals yet.
04:33
There is no individualization of people.
04:35
And do you already have an answer
04:36
of why she was there
04:37
while she was committing the robbery?
04:40
No, no, no.
04:41
I didn't have any,
04:42
because I couldn't talk either.
04:43
I mean,
04:44
do you have an explanation
04:45
of what she was doing there
04:46
at that moment
04:47
while they were robbing?
04:48
I don't know,
04:49
I don't have to explain.
04:50
She wasn't seen entering,
04:51
even when these people
04:52
descended,
04:53
she left.
04:54
And she comes back
04:55
after a while,
04:57
so now
04:58
it's the State
04:59
who should believe me
05:00
that she had knowledge,
05:01
or even an opinion,
05:02
if she sees her
05:03
with police personnel.
05:04
I ask you beyond,
05:05
of course,
05:06
the service station
05:07
that we voted for yesterday,
05:08
I ask you beyond that,
05:09
I ask you
05:10
if you,
05:11
the people who are looking at you,
05:12
do you have an explanation
05:13
of what she was doing
05:14
in San Isidro
05:15
at 10 p.m.
05:16
that Saturday
05:17
while they were robbing
05:18
20 meters away?
05:19
No, she was there
05:20
with two acquaintances.
05:21
The stranger
05:22
couldn't explain it to me
05:23
either,
05:24
because he didn't want
05:25
to investigate
05:26
because of his mental situation.
05:28
So I prefer
05:29
for now
05:30
to protect that
05:31
and it's a job
05:32
of the justice
05:33
to prove,
05:34
to have it accredited.
05:36
I am also surprised
05:37
by the speed
05:38
of such an exquisite file
05:41
without an investigation,
05:42
because they could have
05:43
waited a little longer
05:44
and tried to determine
05:45
who was the other person
05:46
who is not identified.
05:47
They could have waited
05:48
to see if they could have
05:49
effective arrests.
05:50
The only arrest
05:51
that exists so far
05:52
is that of Morena.
05:53
Some short things,
05:54
Alejandro,
05:55
you said that
05:56
she had her wrists
05:57
very, very hurt,
05:58
very swollen
05:59
by the placement
06:00
of the spouses.
06:01
Does that configure
06:02
some kind of legal imprisonment?
06:03
How would you describe it?
06:04
No, no, no, no,
06:05
no, no, no,
06:06
no, no, no, no, no,
06:07
no, no, no, no, no,
06:08
no, no, no, no, no,
06:09
no, no, no, no, no,
06:10
no.
06:11
It's an inhuman treatment,
06:12
nothing more,
06:13
not a legal imprisonment.
06:14
Well, but inhuman treatment
06:15
is not a minor issue.
06:16
That's a discussion.
06:17
It's not a minor issue,
06:18
that's why I highlighted it
06:19
with the Attorney General
06:20
of the National Public
06:21
Trustee,
06:22
who, in a bad way,
06:23
did not want to accept her,
06:24
and between the discussion
06:25
she had to accept her
06:26
so that a doctor
06:27
can see her.
06:28
Good.
06:29
Yes, yes, Mart铆n.
06:30
Sorry, sorry, Mariana.
06:31
Simply,
06:32
if Morena knows
06:33
any of the two fugitives
06:34
who are responsible?
06:35
Yes, he knows them,
06:36
but the DA
06:37
also did not want
06:38
Oh, it doesn't matter. I can't say it.
06:41
No, no, no. They're friends, acquaintances.
06:44
No, no, no. Acquaintances. He just knows him by name.
06:48
I'm still shocked by what you're saying, Alejandro,
06:50
because you're saying that the prosecutor wasn't interested in her collaborating.
06:53
I heard you say yesterday... What's going on there?
06:56
I heard you say yesterday that she was willing to give details...
06:59
Oh, Morena Real is coming out.
07:01
Morena is coming out right there. That's why we cut a second of the doctor.
07:04
She got in the car, they're going to take her.
07:07
She's going back to the police station, right?
07:10
Yes, she's going back to the police station.
07:12
Now I think they're going to take her to the doctor and then back to the police station.
07:15
Oh, first to the doctor.
07:16
And they should take her to the doctor.
07:17
Why to the doctor? Because of the dolls or because of her mood and emotional state?
07:21
No, no, no, no. Because of the dolls. She has them inflamed.
07:25
And it can get to have... You can drink that.
07:28
And aggravate it.
07:30
I understand. Now, Alejandro, I go back to what I was saying.
07:32
Yesterday you said that she was willing to give details of the other members of the gang and of the responsibilities.
07:39
That is, willing to collaborate with the justice system, I imagine, to improve her situation.
07:44
The prosecution did not accept this?
07:47
No, the prosecutor, very arrogantly, both to provide medical attention and another, did not want to.
07:54
I understand that it is a judicial party that is overwhelmed by insecurity.
08:00
I don't understand the arrogance.
08:02
He is an inoperative, more than anything.
08:04
I leave it to you.
08:05
Well, the doctor is leaving.
08:07
The doctor, yes.
08:08
Well, thank the doctor.
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