Jorge Alís explicó por qué no desea volver a Argentina

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El argentino está en Chile desde 1996.

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00:00You came to Chile 26 years ago, right?

00:01It's going to be 26, 26 now or 27, I don't remember, in 96.

00:07And why did you come here?

00:08I came because I was seeing an uncertain future.

00:14In Argentina?

00:15In Argentina.

00:16Yes, of course.

00:17Really?

00:17Yes.

00:18And there was no need to be very Pedro Angel to know this news,

00:23but I could have gone up and down several times

00:27and after having felt that my whole environment was deteriorating.

00:36When you see that the city is deteriorating,

00:38when the lights...

00:39At one point I lived on Corrientes Avenue,

00:42the one that doesn't sleep,

00:44and suddenly the lights started to go out,

00:48people were not well,

00:49it was the time of ups and downs,

00:52all that, and I came and El Corralito appeared.

00:56Really?

00:57At that time.

00:58Of course.

00:59And El Corralito was El Arrubo.

01:01El Arrubo.

01:03El Arrubo...

01:05The best thing about El Arrubo was that El Arrubo's son was the Ayaquin's partner.

01:11I think it was El Antonito.

01:14But it has to do with that,

01:17later when I was here, in 2000, I was with El Cachafalla,

01:21and Argentinian people started to come,

01:23I saw so many people coming in asking for work,

01:26you know, I'm Argentinian,

01:28I sang, or I danced, or I do this thing,

01:32many years ago.

01:34People who went out to look for their destiny,

01:38and suddenly, I think it's ok,

01:41those are signals, sometimes you grab them,

01:44but it's an exile,

01:46it's like, we live it now with Venezuelans,

01:51there's an exile from your home,

01:54where your dad and mom don't take care of you,

01:57to the streets,

01:59and that, at some point,

02:01or it's that, or it's the hopelessness in the place,

02:04which is a bit like Argentinian sadness, I think.

02:07And, of course, you think that with a football world cup,

02:10we have three on top of it.

02:12Sorry.

02:14Sorry for what I'm saying.

02:16Sorry for what I'm saying!

02:18What do we have?

02:20That's for Rodrigo Arañao!

02:22That's for Rodrigo Arañao!

02:24Come on, team!

02:26Maybe it was easy for him in the last World Cup.

02:29What a funny joke!

02:33There's one thing that,

02:35no, more to do with Australia.

02:37No, he loves it, I'm a fan.

02:39I'm a fan of Argentina.

02:41I love that they've been champions.

02:43Well, but you arrived in Chile.

02:45You have Argentinian children in Chile.

02:47Yes, the oldest.

02:50You feel abandoned by your country.

02:52And I think that's what happens to an immigrant,

02:55that immigrant who escapes a bit.

02:59Who doesn't find opportunities, who doesn't find support.

03:02Argentinians have that ease of leaving their country,

03:06which is different from Chileans.

03:09It's easy, when you travel,

03:11you always find an Argentinian trying on a sweater,

03:14in some places, and then they come back.

03:18But they don't stay out too long.

03:20The situation in the country gets better,

03:22and then they come back.

03:24But they have that ease of leaving.

03:26They're less trapped than we are.

03:28But you know what it has to do with?

03:30I think, look, at one point,

03:32in the time of Menem.

03:34What a scare!

03:36And the studio was completely silent.

03:38Something happened, it was the dollar one-to-one.

03:41The dollar one-to-one.

03:43The Argentinian who was going to Miami did a bit.

03:46I saw Donald Duck.

03:48He was a piece of shit.

03:52And Mickey looked for him.

03:54Mickey looked for him everywhere,

03:56but I couldn't find him.

03:58It was like, I'm going to buy some socks in Miami.

04:02Because it was like...

04:04I think it's a bit...

04:06That's where the hatred for that Argentinian appears.

04:09The Argentinian stereotype.

04:11You get on a plane with 20 Argentinians,

04:15and you have that stereotype.

04:17So that Argentinian

04:19was also the one who came to Reñac

04:21many years ago.

04:23All that was changing,

04:25was changing.

04:27So, in a way,

04:29you find that the Argentinian has to leave.

04:31We are immigrants' children.

04:33I mean, I'm a grandson of a Lebanese.

04:36My grandmother was Italian.

04:39So, in a way,

04:41Chile too, clearly.

04:44But La Cordillera slowed that down a bit.

04:46Now, but when you arrived in Chile,

04:48and to tell the public

04:50that is watching us,

04:52you immediately opened El Cachafaz.

04:54It's a bar theater where many

04:56stand-up comedians started,

04:58which was first in Providencia.

05:00You started right away.

05:02I started with...

05:04I got here and started doing tango class.

05:06With that, I lived.

05:08Badly.

05:10But you lived.

05:13It was the feeling...

05:15I live in Brazil too.

05:17And in Brazil, I was depressed.

05:19Why?

05:21Because Brazilians are so happy.

05:23It's true.

05:25I would wake up

05:27with existential trauma in the morning.

05:29Oh, I don't know.

05:31Beach, sun, caipirinha.

05:33It's true.

05:35It's true.

05:37Brazilians are happy.

05:39Yes.

05:42Everything.

05:44Pure life.

05:46We are the happiest of all.

05:48That's what I'm going to say.

05:50I want to live in a sadder country than Argentina.

05:52No.

05:54I live in Brazil.

05:56When I'm sad,

05:58I'm not that sad.

06:00Chileans kick ass.

06:02Here we are Ecuador.

06:04What are you like?

06:06We are sad here.

06:08I wouldn't like to be removed from that position.

06:10From the saddest country in America.

06:12No.

06:14Bolivians are sadder.

06:16Bolivians?

06:18Yes.

06:20In Argentina, we say

06:22sad balls.

06:24That's why.

06:26So, you teach tango.

06:28How did Cachafaz come to be?

06:30How did it become a place

06:32that brings people together?

06:34The first one.

06:36I did a magazine

06:39with another friend

06:41that was about humor.

06:43But with tango and humor.

06:45And I did the magazine

06:47in a photocopy.

06:49It was like a photocopy.

06:51And I put the cork.

06:53And the good thing about the magazine

06:55was that I went out to look for hostels

06:57in restaurants.

06:59I came to a place,

07:01I was doing this magazine,

07:03I did one,

07:05and with that I started looking for hostels.

07:08In a place, Don Carlos,

07:10which is not bad,

07:12I can tell you,

07:14there was a grill

07:16called Don Carlos

07:18and behind it was

07:20Tutics,

07:22which was by Negro Piñera.

07:24It was a building.

07:26And in front of it was this place,

07:28Valley High.

07:30I think it's missing

07:32the tourism.

07:34And the party exploded there.

07:37I ordered it for 100 people

07:39and there were like 600 people.

07:41And it was like,

07:43let's party!

07:45And it was like, ah!

07:47I didn't come here to starve.

07:49I came here because

07:51my mom called me and said,

07:53how are you?

07:55And I wasn't well.

07:57But I was happy.

07:59I was here,

08:01a new life.

08:03But I didn't want to go back to Argentina.

08:06I didn't want to go back like Gardel.

08:08Because Gardel came back with a wrinkled forehead.

08:10And there...

08:14And everyone was thinking, why Gardel?

08:16With a wrinkled forehead.

08:18The snow of time.

08:20That's what you say.

08:22That marks the Argentine

08:24who goes looking

08:26for paradise

08:28and comes back.

08:30It comes back as a story of failure

08:32when you find something

08:34and that's why it's good to look for small things.

08:36What happens is that when you travel...

08:38And we've traveled a lot.

08:40We always find an Argentine

08:42who is trying to do it somewhere.

08:44It happens.

08:46There's always an Argentine,

08:48but there's always a Chilean.

08:50I go everywhere and it's like...

08:52In Brazil there are many Chileans

08:54with caipirinhas,

08:56in Copacabana,

08:58with the flag and everything.

09:00And there are also many who are doing what the Argentine does,

09:03there's a cardumen.

09:05It happened to me in Colombia.

09:07You have to go diving, cardumen.

09:09And the crazy guy went

09:11with a super 8.

09:13He threw chocolate to the fish

09:15so they all went to eat together.

09:17He threw a cake.

09:19No!

09:21Because there was no cardumen.

09:23It was a place where they took you and...

09:25They gathered the fish to eat.

09:27They gathered, threw a cake and left.

09:29It's true.

09:32Can you tell us the story of how

09:34this place became the epicenter

09:36of humorists and stand-up comedians?

09:38Pedro Ruminot wants to pay you a tribute.

09:40A life tribute.

09:42Because it's true.

09:44What you said is that without Jorge Alí

09:46there is no stand-up in Chile.

09:48Yes, that's true.

09:50You owe him your career, Jorge.

09:52You take care of what you say.

09:54We owe a lot to Jorge's career.

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