00:00You've mentioned previously in this interview a number of the achievements of the Carter Presidency.
00:07And yet putting the clock forward to the present day, Donald Trump, President-elect Trump,
00:13says he's going to undo quite a number of Carter's signature accomplishments,
00:18notably environmental protection, ceding control of the Panama Canal,
00:22dismantling the Federal Department of Education.
00:25Do you think we should take those pledges seriously
00:28or do you think that was just the campaign itself?
00:31I certainly take them seriously, but I also believe that he won't be successful
00:36in many of the things he's seeking.
00:39For example, on energy, he's not going to reverse our deregulation.
00:44I think he'll have great difficulty reversing some of the renewable energy credits
00:49and conservation credits.
00:51I think he will try to dismantle the Department of Education.
00:54He tried in his first term and he failed.
00:57So I think that on the Panama Canal, he hasn't said that he'll necessarily abrogate it,
01:03but he's using his leverage to try to get smaller fees on American ships going through the canal.
01:12It's a binding legal treaty.
01:14It can't be undone by just the stroke of his pen.
01:17So there's a good deal of bravado in it.
01:21He means to try it, but I think that our institutional framework is such
01:26that he can't just say it and make it happen.
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