00:00The accusation was directed against...
00:30...the vice-president, Delcy Rodríguez.
00:32God takes care of her, God protects her.
00:35Always.
00:36It's a lie that they came, that they had a girlfriend here, a lover.
00:40No, no. That man already has his wife and his family in Argentina.
00:44And directly, the Argentine government is involved in the violent plans...
00:51...to attack the peace of Venezuela.
00:53That's how he denounced it.
00:56Walter Molina is a political scientist, he is Venezuelan.
00:59He is here in Argentina. Walter, good morning.
01:02What is the first reflection that arises from these words of Nicolás Maduro?
01:09Hello, how are you?
01:10Well, here the main thing is to make it clear that what is living in Venezuela...
01:15...is a problem not only of the Venezuelans, but of the whole region.
01:19And I think that what has happened with the Argentine gendarme...
01:22...Nahuel Gallo is a clear example of that.
01:24And not only in his case.
01:26He made it clear a couple of days ago that there are more than 120 foreigners...
01:31...arrested, kidnapped by the tyranny of Nicolás Maduro.
01:35What Maduro is doing is something that Venezuelans have been denouncing...
01:39...for many, many years.
01:41Kidnapping, forced disappearance, arbitrary detention of innocent citizens...
01:49...alleging any nonsense they want to say.
01:52Betrayal of the homeland, hate speech, attempted massacres, as in this case.
01:57The problem is that, in effect, they are denunciations without arguments...
02:02...even ridiculous denunciations from a certain point of view.
02:05But the citizen, in this sense, detained, in this case, Nahuel Gallo...
02:10...will be judged based on what they say he tried to do.
02:14And this is very serious, because they are saying that he attempted the massacre...
02:18...of the vice president of the tyranny.
02:21And it is something really serious, which in the end has as a logic...
02:28...from a criminal regime that acts like a mafia...
02:32...that is to use these citizens as hostages and as bait for change...
02:36...and as bait for extortion against the countries from where they come from.
02:41Now, Walter, what is the luck that you consider that this Argentine citizen is running...
02:50...considering that the eyes of the world are on him?
02:53I mean, it is known that he is there, they have shown this video...
02:57...which, of course, from the national authorities has been discredited...
03:01...in the sense that there is no concrete date or place of where he was taken.
03:08There is no concrete record to know how Nahuel Gallo is today.
03:15But what is your perception, knowing that this citizen is there...
03:20...and that he is recognized by Nicolás Maduro himself as a prisoner?
03:27Well, Nahuel Gallo at this time, and since a month ago, on August 8...
03:32...a month of his kidnapping is going to be fulfilled, is in forced disappearance.
03:37And it is a forced disappearance because, as you say, and as you said, among others...
03:41...for example, the Minister of Security, Patricia Ulrich...
03:44From the Argentine position of the Argentine Chancellery.
03:47...does not know when that video was shown.
03:51It is not known exactly the location, since there, in my case, as I obviously study this...
03:58...it could be concluded that that video was taken in one of the largest concentration camps...
04:04...that the Chavista regime has, which is the Rodeo I prison.
04:09But it is not a confirmation of that, and of course it is not known how he is.
04:13Neither his family nor his lawyers have been able to see him, have been able to know about him.
04:16Therefore, he is in forced disappearance, which is a crime against humanity.
04:21So, as I said at the beginning, this gives account of a regime that is a scourge for the entire region.
04:29It not only has almost 2,000 Venezuelan detainees in prisons...
04:33...including children, women who are constantly raped...
04:36...but also foreigners who are detained for the simple fact of being a foreigner.
04:43That is, Venezuela today is the epicenter from where drug trafficking comes out...
04:47...from where terrorism in general comes out and the terrorism of the Chavismo state...
04:52...but it is also a place where any foreigner can be detained, kidnapped...
04:57...drugged and forcibly disappeared, and then, as I said, used as a hostage.
05:02Walter, how are you doing? Carlos Estrella greets you.
05:04In fact, the trips of the people who were going to Venezuela, the Argentines...
05:10...especially those who were going to that wonder that was Isla Margarita...
05:14...have dropped dramatically, just out of fear of being stopped...
05:16...because the passport says Argentina.
05:18Walter, I wanted to ask you, González Urrutia was with President Milley...
05:23...and the dictatorship wants to be perpetrated from January 10.
05:27What do you think is going to happen?
05:31Look, as you say, he was last Saturday in a meeting that...
05:35...I really have to say, was very emotional for Venezuelans.
05:38He went out to the balcony there in Casa Rosada with President Milley.
05:42Then he made other visits.
05:44He was in Uruguay with President Luis Lacalle Pou.
05:47Yesterday he was with President Joe Biden...
05:50...and then with other Republican congressmen, with Luis Almagro.
05:54And this is the prelude of what is going to happen in the next few days.
05:58Maria Corina Machado, the leader of Venezuela, who is in the country...
06:02...called for demonstrations on the street on January 9, Thursday.
06:07What do you imagine for this day, for this day, January 9?
06:10The world of González should assume as elected president.
06:14And well, he clearly said that he was going to enter the country...
06:17...or try to enter the country.
06:19And there are nine former presidents who announced that they would accompany him.
06:23Among others, for example, President Pastrana of Colombia...
06:27...or President Mario Abdo Benítez of Paraguay.
06:30So, well, what is going to happen in Venezuela...
06:33...it is difficult for me to know exactly...
06:36...but I think there will be a mobilized citizenship.
06:39Making clear what they already made clear, what we made clear...
06:42...on the 28th of July, which is that we want a change...
06:45...that we want to live in freedom.
06:4790%, more than 90% of the country wants to be free...
06:50...because what we are facing is barbarism.
06:52And the only solution is precisely that, to rescue democracy.
06:56So, well, the call, there are two calls, right?
06:59Maria Corina Machado to the people on the street...
07:02...to the international community to accompany...
07:04...and from the elected president of the world, González...
07:07...to the National Armed Forces, to the police...
07:10Now, now...
07:18Considering the antecedents, not so complex in the streets of Caracas...
07:23...precisely around situations linked to demonstrations...
07:28...by the opposition, to Maduro, that's what I meant.
07:33Can you imagine that this situation can be reiterated?
07:36Of course, the wish is for peace, the wish is that they can demonstrate...
07:40...in a, let's say, peaceful, calm way, making themselves heard...
07:46...and showing their divergence regarding the current president...
07:52...let's say, well, that we already know the situation...
07:55...of the elections that took place in July.
07:57How do you imagine this Thursday will be?
08:01Well, at this moment the streets of Caracas are militarized.
08:06A large part of the security forces, of the task groups...
08:10...of Nicolás Maduro's regime, moved to Caracas...
08:13...and left the areas of the other states, the other provinces of Venezuela...
08:17...in the hands of what they call the armed collectives...
08:21...which are paramilitary groups, pro-officialism.
08:24Caracas is militarized because what they don't want...
08:27...is for people to go out to the streets.
08:29As you say, there have been very large demonstrations before.
08:31I remember, for example, the one in 2017 in which I participated...
08:34...almost a million and a half people in Caracas...
08:37...were brutally repressed, 160 dead that year.
08:41The protests of this year, after the 28th and 29th of July...
08:45...when the statues of Chávez fell, there were more than 40 murders.
08:49And, of course, Nicolás Maduro's regime is going to bet on that...
08:52...to repress, to murder, to sow terror, to paralyze people.
08:56But I genuinely believe that this time they won't be able to achieve it...
09:01...because there is a clear decision, as I said before, to be free.
09:06There is an elected president, I can't forget that.
09:09He voted despite not being a democratic election.
09:12He won, it was proven that he won.
09:15And now the president is going to try to enter the country...
09:17...and the leader of the country is going to command these protests...
09:20...which will be peaceful protests.
09:22Here there is no clash between two extremes or anything like that.
09:26There is a whole country that wants to be free, that is peaceful...
09:29...that wants to live in freedom, that wants to live in democracy...
09:32...and a small group that only bets on brute force.
09:36The reason for which I take advantage of this and all the spaces I have...
09:40...to call on everyone who really believes in democracy...
09:43...internationally, to accompany Venezuelans to that...
09:47...which is the only desire, to respect what we said on July 28th...
09:50...and to live in democracy.
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