00:00OK, well he obviously isn't on this programme to defend himself, but you've got to hand
00:05it to him. He performed pretty well. His party, Reform UK, did pretty well in the July election.
00:10They got about 14% of the vote. I mean, he's got some charisma, hasn't he?
00:14Well, it depends what you mean by charisma. He's a good sort of populist figure who can
00:21rant and make hay with all sorts of difficulties in government. And I don't deny that he has
00:30achievements in getting the party where it is. On the other hand, there was really a
00:35reaction to 14 years of failed Conservative government. It's quite clear that the electorate
00:43at the last election was determined to vote for anybody really except for the Conservatives
00:49and they had the worst election results in history. This is the oldest democratic party
00:58in European politics and this was the worst result it had ever had.
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