00:00Gendarme Nahuel Gallo.
00:02Last week, a video was broadcasted,
00:04without sound, which irritated the Minister of Security Patricia Bullrich a lot,
00:08who said, well, no, that's not a life test.
00:11And this is what Bullrich said.
00:13This is the video.
00:14There you saw the gendarme walking.
00:16These are the things that are broadcasted to show that you are in good health.
00:20Obviously, there is no reference.
00:23Yes.
00:24And there he shows it to Nahuel Gallo.
00:26But let's hear first what Bullrich said, who was very angry.
00:30We, as the Argentine government, and in our case,
00:35being a member of the gendarmerie,
00:37beyond the fact that he traveled as a common citizen to visit his family,
00:42we absolutely do not accept any game of an appearance,
00:48of a photo that appears in an unknown place,
00:52walking, without sound, without date, without absolutely anything.
00:57Although we recognize that it is him,
01:01for several details that we are not going to let the regime know,
01:05we do say that the only thing that Argentina is analyzing
01:11and the only thing that Argentina accepts
01:14is that Nahuel Gallo be put on a plane and sent to Argentina.
01:19It is the only condition. There is no other.
01:22There is no condition to detain him.
01:25There is no condition to open a cause for an non-existent justice.
01:29There is no condition to show that they have it well,
01:34as if it were a normal regime.
01:37This is a dictatorship, and dictatorships do these things,
01:41they give proof of life.
01:42Democracies, if they have a cause, generate judicial conditions.
01:49If this were different and the person did not have the appropriate papers,
01:57what he does is send him back.
02:00Everything that is happening is a pantomime of the regime.
02:06Well, what Bullrich says is right.
02:08The problem is also that from the regime of Nicolás Maduro
02:13there are no solid accusations about what it was
02:17the degree of espionage of which he is accused.
02:20He is detained, the accusations do not advance,
02:23the arguments of the accusations are not known,
02:26and that is why Bullrich insists that this is a pantomime,
02:29there is no judicial cause.
02:30Yes, let's remember that these images that were known last week
02:33were after the national government filed a complaint
02:37against the International Criminal Court for the detention of Nahuel Gallo.
02:40We can see them.
02:41Some say that it may be the surroundings,
02:44this place where there is a kind of prison,
02:47if you will, and that next to it, according to satellite images,
02:49they saw that there was a field that looked like it.
02:51But they are estimates because they were never identified.
02:54They did not say where they were and when they were taken,
02:57as the Minister of Security said.
02:59And with the degree of scandal that there is, nothing is going to happen to him,
03:02they are not going to do anything to him, nor are they going to torture him,
03:04nor are they going to hit him.
03:05This is more or less predictable.
03:07The point is that they accuse him.
03:08Of course.
03:09Because until now what was known, several weeks ago,
03:12was that he had entered a border with the intention of spying
03:17because he wanted to somehow get some of the Venezuelans
03:22who are refugees at the Argentine embassy.
03:24But this is a theory about which no evidence or documents
03:28or anything else appeared.
03:29More than one.
03:30Documents appeared that indicate that his entry was informed.
03:34Because you go to Venezuela today, you are not going.
03:36How do you come here to Argentina?
03:37You present the passport and if it is in condition,
03:40when you arrive, you enter and from there you do what you want.
03:43And much less being an Argentine.
03:45No, there was an invitation letter that with several days in advance,
03:49his partner brought, presented, that was received,
03:54that gave the complete detail that he was going for an invitation.
03:57But let's suppose, as they say, that he was a spy.
03:59Let's suppose he was a spy.
04:00But Rolo, a spy does not go this way.
04:02She reported where he was going to stay,
04:04until what date he stayed, where he entered, everything.
04:06If you are a professional spy, you have some coercion and you have some coverage.
04:10But it is the regime or the Venezuelan justice
04:15that has to prove the accusation.
04:17But nothing appears.
04:18Well, in the context of all this conflict that there is diplomatic,
04:21we remember that Argentina does not have diplomatic representation in Venezuela,
04:24but it is in Brazil, because when the elections were,
04:27after what happened with Maduro,
04:29Argentina withdrew those who were there at the embassy of that country.
04:33Well, in this context of crisis, of diplomatic conflict between the two countries,
04:37Javier Mirey this week received Edmundo González Urrutia,
04:40who is one of the main opponents of Nicolás Maduro.
04:44Well, elected president.
04:46Of course.
04:47He received him, Javier Mirey recognized him as elected president,
04:50he received him at the Casa Rosada, he was also in the Chancellery,
04:53they went out to the balcony.
04:54Well, as with all the protocols, as president.
04:57And Mirey achieved for the first time a massive demonstration.
05:00Yes, it is true.
05:01He always greets and there are not many people in Plaza de Mayo.
05:03This time there were many Venezuelans.
05:05Well, and now González Urrutia will continue to travel to different countries.
05:10He was, for example, with Giorgia Meloni in Italy,
05:13and now he will go to the United States to also seek the support of Washington.
05:17He hopes that he also joins Biden, so he continues his journey.
05:21Because a key day will be on January 10,
05:23when Nicolás Maduro tries to assume the presidency.
05:26Well, there too, from Casa Rosada and from the Ministry of Security,
05:29they are saying that it will be a key day, right?
05:31To also see what happens with the Argentine gendarme.
05:33It must be said that González Urrutia has a capture request,
05:36a reward, a capture request.
05:38In fact, he left.
05:40He is living in Spain.
05:41About time, let's say, before they arrested him.
05:43Yes, yes, well, now he is living in Spain,
05:45and as I was saying, he started doing this kind of tour to collect international support,
05:49to see if they can do something on January 10.
05:52Yes, what happens is that imagine what international support moves to Maduro's regime.
05:55No, nothing.
05:56He was also elected president, he went from here and there,
05:59he had designated the assembly, and he was left in the dark.
06:02He was left as a theoretical president.
06:04Yes, but well, I say, Argentina, in this context,
06:06in which they are fighting for the return of the gendarme,
06:09that Javier Miray has this gesture,
06:11receives him at Casa Rosada when he is not president,
06:14the truth is that it does not loosen the tension.
06:17On the contrary.
06:18No, well, this is clear that the path they chose is a path of confrontation.
06:22And there are no channels of dialogue.
06:24Because besides, let's remember that the only channel of dialogue
06:27that had opened was with the former ambassador Oscar Laborde,
06:30who Burry ended up denouncing for treason to the homeland.
06:33A kind of exaggerated thing that had nothing to do with it,
06:37and so it ended.
06:40When a channel of dialogue appears, they also deny it.
06:43And the government cuts it.
06:44In fact, Juan Grabois was also collaborating there,
06:46who later went out to say that he had actually asked Laborde,
06:49that there was also a kind of Pope there.
06:51They are trying to help this gendarme return to Argentina,
06:54from all sectors, even from the opposition.
06:57But as you said, the path that Casa Rosada chose is that of confrontation.
07:01That is why Javier Miray received one of the main opponents here at Casa Rosada.
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