00:00If they are at the table, Germán, right?
00:02Yes, the tracking began, or they started to track again, or it starts shortly,
00:07four water mirrors, one particularly close to the field of María Victoria Caillaba and Carlos Pérez,
00:17who are one of the accused, of the two accused, for the disappearance of Loan.
00:21There is a special operation that is going to be developed with dogs,
00:24they told me that some of the dogs are binomials of dogs from here, from the San Martín party,
00:28who have traveled there, who are looking for the possibility of bodies submerged in water mirrors.
00:34These tracks were made, but according to the query of the Loan family, they were done wrong.
00:39That is why they are going to look again for signs of the possible disappearance of Loan.
00:45Unfortunately, we think not, right?
00:48But how is the lifeless body of the little one in these water mirrors?
00:52Initially there was talk of two water mirrors and seven wells.
00:55This is the version of the four large water mirrors or lagoons.
00:58Surely from the place they are going to specify a little more.
01:02Are they places that were marked by the Quereyantes?
01:05Yes, the family says that it was done wrong, that the tracking was done wrong at the time, in those places.
01:11There had certainly been talk of the possibility of draining these lagoons,
01:15it is something that is practically impossible structurally, and also given the complexity of the matter.
01:22There are no elements in Argentina to drain some lagoons.
01:25But with the federal search system for people, a new more specific tracking is going to be carried out.
01:31Yes, especially with these dogs, which are specialists, this binomial of tracking that you said,
01:37to look for human remains around these water mirrors.
01:41What happens is that one says, we are not informed on the subject, but after so long, what can be found?
01:48We have Dr. Marcelo Hanson, who has always attended us.
01:53Doctor, how are you doing? Good morning.
01:56Hello, good morning. How are you?
01:59What reflection does this deserve?
02:01To return to a place where one believed that it had already been rigorously tracked,
02:05and from which one says, can information still be obtained?
02:09What do you think, doctor?
02:12Look, Guillermo, I think the lawsuit clarified it,
02:15that his request was for the effect of being able to avoid any proposal of nullity of the defenses,
02:24because according to them, the judge had not been tracked well,
02:29with the probatory amplitude that characterizes in these actions on his part,
02:36took place and put in his place the implementation of the search.
02:40Obviously, all parties can participate in the control of the evidence, like all evidence, right?
02:45Of course.
02:46That is why the testimonials were also suspended,
02:50so that those who wish to participate in the defense can do so.
02:55Of course.
02:56Now, one says, we are obviously looking for a Lohan, unfortunately lifeless.
03:05After so much time, can there be parts of his body that,
03:11from a DNA test, tell us if it actually belongs to him?
03:15I mean, is that so?
03:19Well, surely they can also see if this happens.
03:25If this supposedly happens.
03:27Hello?
03:28Yes.
03:29If there was a discard of the body,
03:32there may still be clothes or some garment that the minor had on, if that is the case.
03:41So, what can be found?
03:45Obviously, it is a conjecture as a result of the possibility of discarding the body in the place,
03:53if it was like that.
03:55Which, obviously, there is no indication that it was like that in the cause.
04:01There are four mirrors of water that are near the algarrobal.
04:05How far from the orange tree that did not have oranges?
04:13Well, look, Germán, I did it a long time ago,
04:17because this hypothesis was debunked at the beginning of the cause.
04:23We studied it and made all the possible escape routes,
04:29to the route, to the mirrors of water and so on.
04:32And I have, if you want, I send you a work that I did of the distances.
04:38There are two lagoons, three lagoons that would be to the east of the road that enters the algarrobal,
04:48and a lagoon that would be to the west, plus another one that was added now,
04:54which is a lagoon that is attached to the property of Pérez y Callao.
04:59Of course, that was not there.
05:01Initially, there were two mirrors of water and seven wells.
05:04This is the same rafting that is being done now.
05:09Did you add other mirrors of water that were not previously agreed to be used for rafting?
05:17Only one was added, but in reality it was done, yes.
05:21Later, when the federal government intervened, the rafting of that lagoon was done.
05:27Even there, I don't know if you remember, the remains of lime were found,
05:33but it was construction lime, which is surely the work that was there.
05:40They went to wash some element or threw lime, but it was construction lime.
05:48Doctor, a question. Good morning, I am Dr. Débora Ambo Encantada.
05:52What surprises me as a lawyer is that in general one asks for rafting
05:57when they have a data that traces would have appeared later,
06:03which at the time in the initial rafting they would not have been.
06:07Are you of the same opinion, doctor?
06:11What?
06:12If you think, like me, that it is strange that a lawsuit,
06:16which in reality what it tries to do is to advance in the cause,
06:19goes back unless there is a new data that they would have thrown later and the previous rafting,
06:26the parts of the body to which my colleague Germán referred.
06:32Yes, what happens is that according to the justification they say in the media,
06:39at least what I have heard, it is not that they think they can find something,
06:45but for them the raftings were not done well and in order to avoid nullities,
06:52in a future trial by the defense,
06:56that arguments were not made, the raftings as they should have been,
07:00and the body can be there, but the truth is that it is a little ...
07:04Strange, right?
07:06Unbelievable that a nullity of that kind can have progress.
07:10Which of the proceedings would be related to the water mirrors?
07:14None is arrested, accused of having thrown the water in the water, let's say.
07:20Yes, that's why there is no indication that this hypothesis is valid,
07:26that is, the body eventually has to justify that there was previously the homicide
07:35or the accident that caused the death in some way to be able to discard the body.
07:43Doctor, with this action, one can infer that the judge Pozerpenso
07:48abandons, I don't know if definitively or for now,
07:51the idea that Lohan had been kidnapped and handed over to a trafficking network?
07:56No, Guillermo, if we go back in time, this has been ordered since the beginning of September.
08:06The delay was from the Querella.
08:08What they took was to do this trial in them,
08:11but this was ordered on the first days of September.
08:13I think the end of August.
08:15With the report of the prosecution, the final report,
08:19let's say, where the issue of trafficking was ruled out,
08:22among other issues where it is not clear what the motive was,
08:25is there any indication of the possibility of the appearance of these lagoons,
08:30these water mirrors, in what the prosecution presents as the final report,
08:35for which the detainees are processed?
08:39Is there any mention at any time of the presence,
08:42of a place of importance of these water mirrors in the disappearance of Lohan?
08:47No, the dictation of the prosecutors to ask for the process,
08:53and that in part the judge collects in his resolution,
08:58they rule out the possibility that Lohan is in the place,
09:02or that he has been ruled out in the place.
09:06They rule out that he was removed and taken out of the area.
09:12But as I said today, the delay is an important expense.
09:16And of time.
09:17Of time.
09:18Or is it sought to gain time?
09:20Unless what you are looking for is actually a technical type of processing,
09:25and a technical type sentence, and not the appearance of the body.
09:29Because if what you are looking for is that any claim of nullity is subsumed,
09:33that prevents the currently processed from being technically condemned,
09:38beyond the existence of factual facts,
09:41it is because in reality it is the only reason that occurs to me
09:45to be able to follow the alignment of the lawsuit.
09:48Do you agree with me, doctor?
09:51Yes, of course.
09:52I think I said that from the beginning.
09:55Given the crime, the type of crime chosen to prosecute,
10:01now to process, and eventually in an oral and public trial,
10:07is a crime that only requires that there is no one who has been removed,
10:15and that obviously that, according to the factual situation that each one had,
10:20can be traced.
10:22I see it very difficult, really, that they can concatenate all the facts,
10:28at least for the seven defendants.
10:31From where is the place of Pérez y Caillabas, El Campo,
10:34is there a direct proximity with this lagoon?
10:39Is there any indication that it could have approached
10:42some of the trucks, the vehicles of Pérez y Caillabas to the place,
10:45to discard the body?
10:46In that sense, did it sink into that possibility, or is it practically discarded?
10:53No, all the possibilities were analyzed,
10:56of how an eventual discharge of the body would arrive there,
11:00but let's remember that there was at the time a witness
11:04who declared about a white truck at 11 at night that day,
11:09but that it turned out to be a truck of those who work in that Lindante forage,
11:16which, obviously, with all the movement that there was that day and others,
11:23it is difficult to specify how it could have been removed,
11:28if the body was already removed or it was taken alive from the place.
11:33Well, doctor, we'll see what happens with these new tracings.
11:37Hopefully we can shed a little light on this,
11:41which is still a question that hurts us in the heart,
11:44which is to keep asking ourselves where Lohan is.
11:47Thank you for this contact.
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