00:00I have to take care of the prosecutors, the judges, because it can't be that they fire a person who has 7 or 10 causes.
00:07He has 7 previous causes.
00:09So what happens? The one who fired him, who fired him? The judge Juliano Etal.
00:14He is also an accomplice because he fired him so he could go kill.
00:18Do you understand me?
00:19I mean, let's make things clear, otherwise we'll see all the neighbors die.
00:23I live armed. I live armed.
00:26I finish at midnight or one o'clock, I take my gun and I come armed.
00:32Because my life is worth it.
00:34I say, if I have to go to Cana, I'll go to Cana.
00:36But my life is worth it because I see all the neighbors, I see all the neighbors crying, crying,
00:42and then you leave and we continue to fuck.
00:46Hello, can you hear me? How are you?
00:48I'm in charge of what I do.
00:49Ricardo is listening to you.
00:50Ricardo, how are you?
00:52How are you, Guille? Good, good.
00:54I always see you.
00:55Thank you very much.
00:56We are concerned, but I am interested in what you are saying.
00:59How long have you had the gun, Ricardo?
01:04I have had the gun since 2014.
01:07And I bought it because my life is worth it.
01:12The life of a human being is worth it.
01:14Without a doubt.
01:15So it can't be that a guy who has seven causes is free and goes and kills because he does.
01:23Ricardo, you already had to use it or not yet?
01:32And a couple of times I did use it because I cover myself when I enter my house.
01:36But did you shoot? Did you shoot or did you just show it?
01:40Yes, yes, yes. No, no, no.
01:43The gun is used to shoot, it is not used to show it.
01:47So, excuse me, they already tried to rob you twice in the slaughterhouse,
01:52and twice you were able to repel the attack of the criminals with this gun that you bought.
01:57Correct.
01:58Ricardo.
01:59Now, excuse me.
02:00I have two.
02:01I say, aren't you afraid? Because I understand when someone buys a gun,
02:07but I also understand that many times, if we are not informed about the use,
02:11I don't know if you are a police officer or you work in security.
02:14No, there are legitimate users.
02:15Sure, or you are a legitimate user.
02:16No, no, no.
02:17But aren't you afraid?
02:18I am an ordinary worker.
02:20Yes, of course.
02:22But it can be dangerous for you.
02:24Judicial, just the fact of telling it, and eventually also to act on the gun against a criminal.
02:30No, you are not a legitimate user.
02:32You didn't do the process, you directly bought the gun.
02:34Excuse me, excuse me for interrupting you.
02:36Germ谩n Margusita.
02:37Excuse me for interrupting you.
02:38I don't want to be in the cemetery.
02:41I don't want to be in the cemetery.
02:43But now this poor creature, this poor girl, because she is young,
02:47has to be in the cemetery.
02:49She already has the perpetual chain, she doesn't leave the cemetery anymore.
02:52Do you understand me?
02:53Yes, yes, yes.
02:54So I don't want to be in the cemetery, I want to walk down the street.
02:56No, of course.
02:57So if you want to make a report, I'll leave you the phone, call me,
03:01I'll go to the canal and I'll explain things to you as they are.
03:03No, no.
03:04I'm 55 years old.
03:05Ricardo, but...
03:06And I work since I was born.
03:09I understand you.
03:10I understand you.
03:11Sometimes there are many people on the other side who may be saying,
03:14it's dangerous because if they already know you have a gun and you are exposing yourself,
03:19next time, unfortunately, hopefully nothing happens to you,
03:22if something happens to you, they will shoot you directly.
03:24Do you understand what I'm saying, Ricardo?
03:26Do you have a family?
03:28Yes.
03:30Look, look, I have a saying, I'm 55 years old,
03:33and I have a saying that the old people used to say,
03:36the one who wins first hits twice.
03:39So I try to win, until now I'm winning.
03:41Someday I'm going to lose, of course.
03:43But as long as I can keep living, I'm going to keep living.
03:46Ricardo, we have...
03:47I don't want to be in a drawer in a cemetery.
03:49I understand you.
03:50And we are the same age.
03:51And I want to ask you,
03:53how long have you been living there in La Matanza?
03:59And I live since 1986.
04:01So...
04:02In 1986 you could walk.
04:03That's what I'm going to do.
04:04You went to the dances, the boys were walking down the street.
04:07Today the boys live in jail.
04:09They live in jail, sir.
04:11They live in jail.
04:12And the thieves live in freedom.
04:14Yes.
04:15No, no, no, I wanted to go to that.
04:17To the Matanza that you lived in.
04:18The only thing I ask of you, Guille, the only thing I ask of you, look,
04:21the only thing I ask of you,
04:22is that the judges and prosecutors let the guys go,
04:26and the guy goes and kills.
04:27So you find out who let him go.
04:29Medina, Ricardo, the prosecutor.
04:31Done.
04:32He's also an accomplice, because he had him killed.
04:34Ricardo.
04:35He's an accomplice.
04:36The prosecutor let him go.
04:37Or the judge let him go.
04:38He's an accomplice.
04:39Yes.
04:40Believe me, every day we tell ourselves...
04:42How things are going to change.
04:43We tell ourselves, at least me,
04:45that the issue of insecurity, if it is not addressed as a problem,
04:48at least in the province of Buenos Aires,
04:49it will never be solved.
04:51That it is also a place where in the pandemic they left free,
04:54very dangerous prisoners and who committed crimes.
04:57That is, here you have a person who, in that sense,
05:00agrees with what you say.
05:02And that many times, because of romanticizing crime so much,
05:04it has come to this.
05:06Now, regarding the gun and what you are talking about,
05:10do you know many more people who did the same as you?
05:15It's just that many people...
05:17In my block, I have...
05:20I, who am one of the oldest,
05:22I mean, I gave the phone to everyone,
05:25and we take care of each other.
05:27In my block, nothing happens.
05:29It's quiet.
05:30In my block, it's quiet.
05:31Why?
05:32Because they know that we, in the block,
05:34we are all armed.
05:35Sure.
05:36And what does your family say?
05:37Ricardo, does your family support you?
05:39I am very sorry for this death.
05:41No, obviously.
05:42Does your family support you?
05:43And they are...
05:45I tell them, first,
05:48if something happens to me,
05:50I want them to be fine.
05:51I mean, and my family, I tell them,
05:53they know, they know,
05:55that if they shoot me,
05:56they are going to go home and they are going to kill them.
05:58I hope this doesn't happen.
06:00I'm not going to kill people.
06:01I ask you, Ricardo...
06:02Look at this girl with a whole future,
06:03with a whole future.
06:04She studied, she studied.
06:06Look where it ends, look where it ends.
06:09No, no, no, sure.
06:10What happened is a barbarity.
06:11That's why I came to support the people here.
06:13Guille, I'll leave you the phone.
06:15No, no, it's okay.
06:16Now we're going to talk.
06:17Just one more question, Ricardo.
06:19And make me a report.
06:21Don't say it.
06:22Make me a report.
06:23I take care of what I say.
06:24Okay, we're going to invite you.
06:25But I ask you one thing.
06:26Now, don't show it.
06:28But now, are you armed?
06:30Now, talking to us, do you have the gun on you?
06:32No, no, no.
06:33No, no.
06:34Where do you take it?
06:35No, no.
06:36Do you have it inside your house?
06:38No, no, I have it in my house.
06:39I have it in my house.
06:41And when I'm going to finish in the afternoon,
06:43I do take it.
06:44Do you have it now?
06:45Do you have it armed?
06:46When I'm playing without the vehicle.
06:48Without the vehicle.
06:50Do you have it ready?
06:51My gun is ready.
06:54Let's see.
06:55First, me.
06:56Second, me.
06:57Third, me.
06:58And fourth, me.
06:59Tell me one thing, Ricardo, and I'll leave you.
07:00Why did we get to this?
07:01You, who is a person who lives in La Matanza,
07:04who walked in freedom,
07:05who left the door open,
07:06like everyone else in the neighborhood where we grew up.
07:08Today, many people decide to be armed.
07:11Why did we get to this?
07:15And why do I tell you?
07:16I repeat the same thing.
07:18We don't want to be in the cemetery.
07:20We want to walk, work and live from our work.
07:25Ricardo, can I ask you?
07:26How can a guy who has seven causes come?
07:29Can I ask you how you got the gun?
07:34No, no, they're all legal.
07:36I buy it with all the paperwork and everything is legal.
07:38And as I say, I take care of what I do.
07:41If I have to pay 20 years in prison, I will pay.
07:43Because I killed one.
07:44But I'm going to be alive.
07:46I'm not going to be in the cemetery.
07:48That's what we have to understand and remember.
07:51Ricardo, do the cops know that the whole block is armed?
07:58They know everything.
07:59They know where you walk, where you don't walk,
08:02what you do, what you don't do.
08:04They're there all day.
08:06We don't.
08:07You don't.
08:08You're thinking about doing a show,
08:10going home and having to pay your debts,
08:12see if your salary is enough.
08:14They're there every day for that.
08:17They know how you dress,
08:18what time you go out, what time you come back.
08:20They know everything.
08:21Sure, sure.
08:22And also, and with this, Ricardo, I'll leave you.
08:25Let's remember, we're talking,
08:27because here they killed a young nurse.
08:29The only sin she committed was resisting,
08:33locking the doors, she was afraid.
08:36And because she was afraid, they shot her in the head.
08:39The criminals, yes, you say there must be death penalty.
08:42We can discuss it.
08:43But those who apply the death penalty,
08:45already in Argentina and for a long time,
08:47are the criminals.
08:48Unfortunately, ending their lives in this way,
08:51as they did with this young woman.
08:55Correct, correct.
08:56They apply the death penalty.
08:58Now, they never sit at the table to discuss
09:02if they can apply the death penalty to the one who killed,
09:05because they kill for sport.
09:06Of course, but today we have a detainee
09:08that we don't know if it is.
09:09That is also very dangerous.
09:11Today it is not proven that the detainee is the one who killed.
09:14Imagine in a death penalty case,
09:17it is impossible because there are a lot of international agreements
09:20that Argentina signed.
09:21It is unfeasible.
09:22But imagine...
09:23Guillermo, I want to ask the neighbors who think about this.
09:25If you have to be armed, how do you defend yourself?
09:27And of course, now the police arrive,
09:29there is patrol in the area and so on,
09:31as always happens in the mobiles.
09:33The neighbors who gather here because of the insecurity,
09:35I always want to ask them,
09:36is there patrol here in the area?
09:37Sometimes, sometimes.
09:38Only once a night,
09:40the patrolman passes by,
09:42but from time to time, it is not constant.
09:45But what the man...
09:47I understand the man,
09:48if he wants to use a weapon,
09:50if he has a weapon and he wants to defend himself,
09:52he will defend himself.
09:53I mean, there are people who do, and people who don't.
09:55How do you defend yourself from the criminals?
09:57How do you live your daily life?
09:58I would tell you,
10:00I'm going to save my life,
10:01I'm going to give everything,
10:03because, as they say in this subject,
10:06the material goes and comes,
10:08life does not.
10:09So...
10:10But you never know,
10:11you never know how you can react.
10:13She only locked the doors,
10:15she didn't resist.
10:16Let's see if she locked herself with the central lock.
10:19I saw the whole sequence when she left the house.
10:22You saw everything?
10:23Yes.
10:24I was here in my house,
10:26I was looking at the plants,
10:28and my sister grabs me by the arm and says to me,
10:30come inside now, my son,
10:32because I saw that he took out the gun, the guy.
10:34Yes.
10:35You see?
10:36And...
10:38And well, when...
10:39She pulls me inside my house,
10:46she pulls me by the arm,
10:48and I go out and look out the window.
10:51And what did you see?
10:52And I saw the whole sequence.
10:53What did you see?
10:54How they were breaking the car,
10:55how they were trying to escape.
10:58What did they tell you at first?
11:00Did you see the two men hitting the glass of the car?
11:02I honestly say that my mind was clouded,
11:04I got nervous,
11:05my body began to tremble,
11:06and it's like I saw the sequence,
11:08but I didn't get to see the faces of the criminals.
11:12Well, we'll be back in a little while.
11:14Did you see how they shot?
11:16Yes, because the truth is that we are concerned.
11:18We are concerned about this issue.
11:20There you heard a witness who saw everything.
11:23We are going back to Rafael Castillo,
11:26because people today see death live.
11:29Not only the security cameras take the images,
11:31but the neighbors themselves,
11:33from their windows, from their balconies,
11:35they see how the criminals kill those who grew up
11:39in the same neighborhood,
11:41how they take their lives.
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