00:00some nuclear components, so, and Stoltenberg, the former Secretary General of NATO said,
00:06as I said, nuclear, five nuclear states declared at the top level in January 2022.
00:18It doesn't directly affect the United States, and you're saying that's not true.
00:23That's, that's what I said, yes. You know, when they say we cannot allow
00:27Russia to win on Ukraine, because this would undermine our rules-based world order,
00:35and the rules-based world order is American domination. Now, by the way, NATO,
00:42at least under Biden administration, is eyeing the entire Eurasian continent.
00:50Indian, Pacific strategies, South China Sea, East China Sea, is already on NATO agenda.
00:59NATO is moving infrastructure there. AUKUS, building Quartet Indo-Pacific 4, they call it.
01:09Japan, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea. US, South Korea, and Japan are building military
01:17alliance with some nuclear components. So, and Stoltenberg, the former Secretary General of NATO
01:24said, last year after the summit, which he said, your Atlantic security is indivisible from
01:33Indo-Pacific security. When he was asked, does it mean that you go beyond territorial defense?
01:42No, no, no, it doesn't go beyond territorial defense. But to defend our territory, we need
01:48to be present there. This element of preemption is more and more present. But with the United States,
01:57we don't want war with anybody. And as I said, nuclear, five nuclear states
02:03declared at the top level in January 2022, that we don't want confrontation with each other and
02:13that we shall respect each other's security interests and concerns. And it also stated
02:21nuclear war is, nuclear war can never be won. And therefore, nuclear war is not possible.
02:31And the same was reiterated bilaterally between Russia and the United States, Putin, Biden,
02:41when they met in 21 in Geneva in June. Basically, they reproduced the statement by
02:53Reagan and Gorbachev of 1987, I think, no nuclear war. And this is absolutely in our
03:02vital interest. And they hope that this is also in vital interest of the United States. I say so
03:08because some time ago, Mr. Kirby, who is White House communications coordinator or whatever,
03:18he was asking questions, answering questions about escalation and about possibility of
03:30nuclear weapons being employed. And he said, oh, no, no, we don't want escalation,
03:38because then if there is some nuclear element, then our European allies would suffer.
03:46So even mentally, he excludes that the United States can suffer. And this is something which
03:56makes the situation a bit risky. It might, if this mentality prevails, then some reckless steps
04:08could be taken. And this is bad. So what I think you're saying is American policymakers imagine
04:15there could be a nuclear exchange that doesn't directly affect the United States,
04:18and you're saying that's not true. That's what I said, yes. No, but, you know,
04:28professionals in deterrence, nuclear deterrence policy, they know very well that it's a very
04:37dangerous game. And to speak about a limited exchange of nuclear strikes is an invitation
04:45to disaster, which we don't want to happen. Mr. Lavrov, thank you very much.
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