00:00Mauro and Cardi's legal team is in contact with us.
00:03Thank you, Angela. Good morning.
00:07No, thank you.
00:09And, well, always a special affection with America, thanks to you.
00:13We did a special with Pablo Ponsone, with the agenda of Mediana Ledesma.
00:18And we achieved, she, the truth, a woman who was having a very bad time with the issue of institutional violence.
00:23Something very nice was achieved.
00:26She can walk the streets, super calm, protected.
00:29And if this situation had not been made visible, the truth is that it would have been a very difficult path in court.
00:36Thank you, Angela.
00:38What seems bizarre, or what we say takes our hair,
00:44the media that we touch on this issue with great care, with great responsibility.
00:49However, recording yourself with a cell phone, taking these measures from Mauro in this case,
00:55do you think he did the right thing?
00:59Look, I tell you that in situations so tense, if I give you all the reason for me to speak,
01:04it also gives him a little bit of fear to speak in front of the camera,
01:09because it is not known with what he may come out the next day.
01:12They disavow you, they deny you, do you understand me?
01:14So, I also understand that fear that is generated with their environment.
01:19It seems to me that all people, violence has no gender, right?
01:24And we are realizing that now.
01:26And I think that those small steps that can be taken,
01:30if they save many situations in the future,
01:33within what are the possible cross denunciations of gender violence,
01:38both for women and for men.
01:40I tell my clients that it is better to have a preventive philosophy in law,
01:47than later to work on a file with denunciations.
01:52I tell you, in fact, now at 11 in the morning,
01:55I am meeting in the 6th Chamber of Cordoba,
01:58with a dismissal of a client,
02:00which the truth was a totally absurd denunciation,
02:02that they used her,
02:03and it is very difficult to raise a gender denunciation,
02:07a dismissal when the person already wants to stop this situation.
02:12So, with that...
02:13Angela, make me a pause.
02:15Make me a pause because we are leaving the subject
02:17and I think your point is important,
02:19that violence has no gender.
02:21Do you think that this case,
02:23I mean, it goes for both parts,
02:25violence, harassment, this psychopathic, vicious thing,
02:31is it part of both?
02:33Because to Mauro, in this case,
02:36what happens to what we often tell him
02:38that happens in situations of gender violence, yes,
02:42that the man isolates the woman of the family,
02:44of the friends, of the environment, leaves him alone,
02:46and this time it gives the feeling that Mauro is counting
02:49with a contention from the legal,
02:51but not only from the legal,
02:53but a lawyer who is behind, who is following him,
02:55stay calm, record everything,
02:57he is telling me, follow me,
02:58there is someone who is accompanying him.
03:00Yesterday they wanted to send a desk and they didn't have time,
03:02they wanted to send a desk so that,
03:04besides that Mauro recorded,
03:05they accompanied him to a desk to certify everything that was happening.
03:08They didn't arrive, Mauro said,
03:09stay calm, he told the lawyers,
03:11Marco Vecchio and Guerrero,
03:14he said, look,
03:15they were both very worried
03:17because they don't know what can trigger this yet.
03:20Do you think, Angela,
03:21that this represents a case of violence of both parties?
03:26It seems to me that they are two wonderful people
03:28with a very sad situation.
03:30But you are not answering my question.
03:35Tell me, sorry.
03:36You are not answering my question.
03:40Look, in any situation,
03:42when there is love,
03:43when there is money,
03:44when there are children,
03:46when there are common interests,
03:48not only to two well-known people,
03:50but also to ordinary people,
03:51you can get out of their hands.
03:53And I think you should be very careful there
03:56because once a file is entered in the prosecution,
04:01it is a serious issue,
04:02it is an issue that, due to the process economy,
04:05it bothers them a lot when it is played with judicial instances
04:09and from there it is not so easy to come back.
04:11Sure, you work in the office afterwards.
04:13I mean, it's not that easy.
04:17You are right Pamela,
04:18because as much as the victim says
04:20I want to make a dismissal of the criminal action.
04:22As Wanda says,
04:23I want to clarify,
04:25Wanda says,
04:26I want to clarify that there was no one here,
04:27but it's too late.
04:28Of course.
04:29The idea has already been installed
04:30that she expelled him from the home.
04:32Do you work with Mauro, Angela?
04:34Do you work with Mauro?
04:36You are Mauro's advisor.
04:37Sorry?
04:38Do you work with Mauro Icardi?
04:39He called me...
04:41Oh, it cut off.
04:42He called me Mauro's turn to be an advisor.
04:44But there they tell me that...
04:45They tell me that no one hired you from the environment.
04:48I ask you,
04:49not to deny you much less,
04:51just to know what environment hired you
04:53or contacted you.
04:54I know you are a well-known lawyer.
04:57Yes, I'm already used to it,
04:59that it also happened with Kodacy,
05:01and it was back and forth, right?
05:03And he was the only one, finally,
05:04that they didn't manage to impeach me,
05:05and nothing happened.
05:06I contract Mauro's environment,
05:09because there were situations
05:10that worried them in the criminal part.
05:12Since when do you work with Mauro?
05:15Oh, the audio is cut off.
05:17I don't work with Mauro.
05:19It doesn't matter that I have a very solid legal study
05:22and I don't work for anyone.
05:24I was asked to be an advisor last week.
05:28Last week?
05:30Yes.
05:31Sorry.
05:32To understand...
05:33The audio of Angela is being cut off.
05:35Angela, can you hear us?
05:37To understand better,
05:38last week someone from Mauro's environment
05:40contacted you
05:42and asks you what?
05:43In what context?
05:45What do they tell you?
05:48They tell me that there is a situation
05:50of latent gender violence.
05:52That he was close to being reported
05:54for gender violence
05:56and logically that wasn't the case.
05:57That they were very worried about the issue.
05:59Logically, a prosecutor can ask for preventive detention,
06:03can order her not to leave the country,
06:06can take any measure in the instruction stage.
06:08And you came to Argentina?
06:10Were you here in Argentina?
06:13No one can ignore
06:16that for the first time,
06:17and with all the legal advisors I had,
06:20Mauro Icardi changed the strategy for the first time.
06:25Now what?
06:26For the first time.
06:27So, to be honest,
06:28because of egos,
06:29because of ignorance,
06:31I am above those things.
06:33Okay.
06:34I am above that.
06:35To not go overboard,
06:37we are cut off.
06:39There is a delay and we are cut off
06:41when we both speak at the same time.
06:42Nati.
06:43Yes, Angela.
06:44Last week,
06:45Mauro Icardi, on Thursday,
06:46was in tequila with a girl
06:48and many media said it was you.
06:51Can you confirm that?
06:55Look,
06:56when I go to Buenos Aires,
06:57because I also have questions in Buenos Aires,
07:00I have a registration in Buenos Aires,
07:01in addition to Cordoba,
07:02I always go to tequila,
07:03I go to Roldán,
07:04and I am a very young woman.
07:06But were you with Mauro Icardi in tequila?
07:08Yes or no?
07:09I don't know.
07:12We do coincide in tequila with him.
07:14And they talked about all these issues there,
07:16in tequila.
07:19No, no, no, no.
07:20I am a very serious woman.
07:21Of course.
07:22I think women are very serious, you know?
07:25Because if they saw Matías Morra
07:28when he met Maradona in boliches,
07:30nothing would happen.
07:31Of course.
07:32But since I am a woman,
07:33they hit me harder.
07:34I know, and it doesn't bother me,
07:36because I have a portfolio of clients,
07:37of very serious men,
07:39with a line that they know they don't fuck.
07:42My profession is above any other activity,
07:44but I am also a woman,
07:45and I am young and healthy.
07:47Of course.
07:48And the conversations are legal.
07:51Now, Ángela, with your trajectory and career...
07:56Serious results.
07:58With your trajectory and all the years you've been in this,
08:01do you think there could be
08:03any legal consequences against Wanda Nara
08:06after impersonating herself
08:08where Mauro Icardi was,
08:09in his house in Santa Bárbara?
08:12That would be disastrous,
08:13because she is a great woman
08:14and she is the mother of his children.
08:16It seems to me that no lawyer
08:18should encourage her to do such a thing.
08:21And why does Mauro sign her?
08:24Why does Mauro sign her?
08:26The criminal law and the family law
08:28should seek reconciliation.
08:31In fact, in the prosecutor's offices today,
08:34many cases are submitted to judicial mediation.
08:37Here, let's avoid conflict for conflict.
08:40She is a wonderful woman,
08:42she has her children,
08:43he is a man, an elite athlete,
08:45and the truth is that they should stop the conflict.
08:48Yes, but you don't see them
08:50with much intention to mediate between them.
08:54After what happened yesterday,
08:56they are the ones making the decisions.
08:59Ángela...
09:00I'm sure they won't...
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