00:00I've come across these two videos, which are very similar for the most part.
00:04Both involve citizens who are open carrying their guns.
00:06Both incidents cause police to respond with guns drawn and pointing it at the citizens.
00:13But the difference is huge.
00:15The professionalism by the officers in incident one is amazing.
00:19Meanwhile, the officers in the other incident, oh my god.
00:25My license is displayed by my pistol.
00:28Okay.
00:29That's fine.
00:32Keep your hands up.
00:33I'm gonna wait till I get some more units up here.
00:35The shouldered weapon here is a pistol.
00:39Okay.
00:40Well, we get a call about a rifle, so obviously that's not an open carry ability.
00:46Yep.
00:46A rifle is not, but a pistol is, and this is a pistol.
00:48That's correct, but I don't have any.
00:50I gotta confirm that.
00:50You gotta confirm it, yes.
00:52So you will.
00:53Are you videotaping and doing this just to see what type of rides you get out of people
00:56when they call?
00:56Yeah, this is a Second Amendment audit.
00:59We're going to see if you guys respect the Second Amendment and how you respond to someone
01:03carrying a pistol.
01:04Okay.
01:05Well, I appreciate you calling them panic.
01:06Can you turn around?
01:07Yes.
01:09So it's got less than a 16-inch barrel.
01:11It's got the...
01:12Go ahead and take that off.
01:15Okay.
01:17Right here is my permit, which I'll flip it around.
01:20The other unit's gonna slow down.
01:22It's just a guy practicing his Second Amendment.
01:26How you doing, sir?
01:37Good.
01:38Pause.
01:39Let's do a fair analysis.
01:41The officers were amped up, but once they secured the weapon from the citizen, they
01:46remained calm and gentle.
01:48Even saying, hi!
01:50How you doing, sir?
01:50Good.
01:51Let's compare this to the other incident, which is Incident 2.
01:55The citizen drops his AR-15 on the sidewalk in compliance with police orders.
02:00Hey, bud.
02:00Stop right there.
02:01Stop right there.
02:02Put the rifle on the ground.
02:04Put the rifle on the ground.
02:05And walks over to the police under police commands.
02:09You got eyes on your weapon.
02:11You're fine.
02:11You're being video recorded right now.
02:13I just want to let you know.
02:14That's fine.
02:15Do me a favor.
02:15Stop right there.
02:16Okay.
02:16One of the officers asked the citizen to turn off the recording, which is suspicious in
02:22of itself.
02:22And then the lady officer acts like a complete freak.
02:27Okay.
02:29I'd rather not, sir.
02:30Just turn it off.
02:31I don't want to.
02:31Okay.
02:32Let me see your ID.
02:33Am I being detained right now, officer?
02:34Huh?
02:35Let me see your ID.
02:36No, thank you.
02:37What's that?
02:37No, thank you.
02:38No, thank you?
02:39No, thank you.
02:40Okay.
02:40Why are you saying no thank you?
02:42I know it's my Fourth Amendment right.
02:44I don't have to show you my identification.
02:46Okay.
02:47Why are you walking down the road with a rifle?
02:50Am I not allowed?
02:51Why?
02:52I'm asking you a question.
02:53Why are you walking around with a rifle right now?
02:55Why are you walking around with a weapon?
02:57Why is she walking around?
02:58We're not going to play jokes, all right?
03:00We're working right now.
03:01So why are you walking around with a rifle?
03:03I'm allowed.
03:04It's my constitutionally protected right.
03:06That's your firearm?
03:07Yes, it is.
03:07Okay.
03:08Registered to you?
03:09I'm not going to answer any more questions, officer.
03:13Okay.
03:13All right.
03:14Well, yeah, go ahead and check.
03:15Just check that real quick.
03:17Just so you know, I don't consent to any searches or seizures of my firearm.
03:21All right.
03:21That's good.
03:22That's good.
03:23We're not taking it anywhere.
03:24Just make sure it's not stolen.
03:27Make sure the weapon is clear.
03:29What's your name?
03:30My name is Officer Rawlins.
03:31Officer Rawlins?
03:33Can you spell that for me, please, sir?
03:34Yeah, I will in a minute.
03:36What's your name, ma'am?
03:36It's right here.
03:38Officer Young?
03:38Young?
03:39Yes.
03:40What's your name, ma'am?
03:41Officer Hernandez, is that correct?
03:43Oh, I'm glad you can read.
03:45Wow, that was rude.
03:46Wow, that was rude.
03:49All right, stay here.
03:50I'll be right.
03:50We'll watch him for a second.
03:52Stay right there.
03:53Am I being detained right now?
03:55At the moment, yeah.
03:56What crime have I committed?
03:58No crimes have been committed at this point that we know of.
04:00Maybe your gun's stolen.
04:01I don't know.
04:01Are you aware that I have to be committing a crime or you have to have reasonable suspicion
04:05that I committed a crime?
04:07It'd be great if you would just let me go.
04:09I didn't realize that I was in Nazi Germany.
04:11Back to incident one.
04:12The officers take the gun and gather the necessary information about the gun from the citizen
04:19in order to dispel their suspicion in a professional manner.
04:23Explain to me what that rifle that is.
04:26It's a pistol.
04:28It is got less than a 16-inch barrel and with the brace, it is classified as a pistol.
04:34In case you have a hard time understanding why it's a pistol instead of an AR rifle,
04:39here is Lackluster explaining it perfectly.
04:42This is a rifle, also known as a long gun, with a barrel of 16 inches or longer.
04:48If a rifle's barrel is shorter than 16 inches or the overall length of the weapon is 26 inches,
04:53the weapon is classified as a short-barreled rifle or SBR.
04:57You can also open carry an SBR without a permit, but you need to jump through extra hoops with
05:02the ATF and pay an extra $200 to buy one.
05:05If you remove the stock and don't add a vertical grip, the weapon can be sold as an AR pistol.
05:10However, an AR pistol can have an accessory that looks like a stock,
05:14but is actually a forearm brace.
05:16With the foregrip, that makes it a pistol.
05:23So.
05:25Yeah, with the grip, the special grip that it has on there.
05:28This one?
05:29No, no, the one that would be at the farthest up highest.
05:32The buttstock, what you would call a buttstock, that makes it a pistol with a shortened barrel.
05:41So if you had a buttstock like yours on there without the strap, that would make it a rifle.
05:50So with the buttstock that I have it on there, it is designed to be held with one hand.
05:56Yes, and that makes it a pistol.
05:58The way the officer's looking at the gun like,
06:01bro, they both look the same. What the hell are you talking about?
06:05Once the officer's reasonable suspicion got dispelled,
06:10they took the pistol and put it on the citizen's shoulder in a gentle way.
06:17It should pull off without the strap on it.
06:21I can give it back.
06:22Okay.
06:23I'm just gonna put it here behind you.
06:24Okay.
06:25Yeah, like that right there.
06:27All right, thank you.
06:28However, for incident two, when the officer's reasonable suspicion got dispelled,
06:34the officer took the magazine out of the rifle and threw the rifle on the ground,
06:38then took each bullet out of the magazine and threw it all over the floor,
06:44and then threw the magazine itself on the floor.
06:48Just watch.
06:53Put it under your pocket for me please.
06:55Appreciate it.
06:56I'm gonna call you Mr. Smith.
06:58Mr. Smith, as long as you understand that based on your behavior...
07:02Nobody cares, nigga.
07:06All right, back to incident one.
07:07Even when the citizen was free to leave and was doing just that, trying to leave,
07:12the officer were very professional in escorting him to his vehicle while chatting with him.
07:21Hi, sir.
07:22Yes.
07:22Would you mind if we just walk with you back to the truck just to make sure you're good?
07:25It's a public area.
07:27We're just gonna make sure you're good.
07:28Yeah, it's a public area, so...
07:30I just don't want, I don't want, you know,
07:32some parent walking out with their kid and they start freaking out.
07:35Okay.
07:39I know it causes a stir sometimes, but, you know, this is...
07:42Not sometimes, all the time.
07:43Yeah, so they've got it down to where in places like Texas and some other places,
07:47you see somebody carrying a rifle in a sling, it's about...
07:52attracts as much attention as flying a kite in a park.
07:54You know, so you got to look at some of us are field training officers.
07:57Yes.
07:57So as we're talking about rookies on the way here, there's a lot of times where we get kids
08:02who are, you know, 13 years old, they're carrying, you know, pellet guns or whatever.
08:05Yeah.
08:06And so we don't know if it's a, you know, if it's a 13 year old kid carrying a pellet gun
08:11or if it's a guy that's going to do a mass shooting, you know what I'm saying?
08:14I understand that.
08:15The spectrum is pretty wide.
08:18We wouldn't, the first time we did this in Tulsa is about the same reaction.
08:21Yeah, okay.
08:22And then each time it gets less and less intense.
08:24But for incident two, because the officers were not as professional as incident one,
08:29the situation escalated to an unlawful arrest,
08:33which led to an unlawful conviction that later got overturned.
08:38Sir, you were asked to walk the other way while exiting.
08:40Do not walk towards me with a firearm in your possession.
08:43Walk the other way, please.
08:49Wow, this is incredible.
08:55Officer, officer, I need to get to my, my car is over there.
09:00Sir, you were asked to leave that private property.
09:02You need to leave that private property or you're trespassing.
09:05Officer, I'm trying to get to my car.
09:07It's over there.
09:08I want to leave.
09:09Sir, keep your hands where I can see them at this point.
09:11Please.
09:12I'm going to ask you to set the phone down so that you don't damage your own phone.
09:15Set it on the ground.
09:16Do not reach.
09:17My car's over there.
09:18I just want to leave.
09:22My car is right there.
09:24Hands on top of your head.
09:25Put them on your head.
09:27Don't move.
09:28Why am I being assaulted here?
09:30Am I being arrested?
09:31Yep.
09:32I want to leave.
09:33Too bad.
09:34What are your thoughts about this?
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