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00:00Guru is not a provider of knowledge or experience.
00:13Guru is the one who shows the futility of knowledge.
00:17We all have knowledge and are firm believers in the potency of knowledge.
00:23Guru is the one who shows you that all knowledge is futile.
00:28Till the time you are believing in knowledge, you would also be believing in ego.
00:32Till the time you are believing in knowledge, your trust, your fundamental trust will be
00:37in the world because all knowledge comes from the world and all knowledge is material.
00:41So ultimately, you have to have faith in something.
00:47Faith can never be objective.
00:50Faith can never be upon something or someone.
00:54If it is upon something or someone that it will be a belief.
01:00If faith has an object, it immediately becomes a belief and beliefs are dangerous.
01:06Faith is such a courageous thing precisely because it is upon nobody.
01:14You have faith and if someone asks upon whom, you just smile, nobody in particular.
01:22And when it is upon nobody in particular, then you are faithful towards existence itself
01:29and that is real spirituality.
01:34Faith does not mean trust.
01:36These are very different things.
01:55You talked a lot about self-attentiveness, attentiveness on your daily small actions
02:01because big never comes, it is always the small that matters.
02:05And in our interaction with kids also, we talk a lot about self-exploration and being attentive.
02:11That brings me to another, sorry I am quoting again, I keep listening to Krishnamurti.
02:17He uses a very important sentence over and over and over again, when the observer becomes the observed.
02:24And when he says that, and I also read him, it is difficult to understand him.
02:30It is very difficult to understand whether he is talking about, when you say bodh,
02:36you knowing what you are doing, so there is an observation about you observing what you are doing.
02:42I see it in that sense also.
02:45But there is also an interpretation again by Osho on this.
02:48He also went on to comment upon when somebody asked him that what is the meaning of this sentence?
02:53Observer becomes the observed.
02:54And he says, then he goes under the danger of meditation.
02:57We should talk a lot on meditation.
02:59And then he says when images come and go and your internal talk is happening and you are quiet
03:04and you can hear all those images, see all those images and you can hear all those conversations,
03:09endless chatter, slowly by and by, I don't know months or years and you keep doing this.
03:16Then there is nothing, it just all fades away.
03:19All that is left is the observed. Observer is the observed.
03:23Now I have heard your views about meditation.
03:27I have also, Krishnamurti was not, he would say meditation in a very different way
03:32and Osho would give one method after another about meditation.
03:38So for me as a practitioner of meditation and also I know you say that meditativeness is a 24x7 thing.
03:46Its not eyes closed and then you go about it.
03:50So I am, as a practitioner it shakes my faith when I hear you in meditation.
03:56It shakes my faith in the very effort of meditation that I put on an everyday basis.
04:02Is the usage of the tool wrong?
04:05Am I going, because I see a quietness does descend upon me when I finish meditation after an hour.
04:15Could you have entered the act of meditation without first being already meditative?
04:28Now do not be in a hurry to answer this.
04:32What comes first, the act or the center from which the act arises?
04:44I heard only one lecture of Krishnamurti in person and this was the topic meditation.
04:50So he was right when he said that its 24 hours because at that time transcendental meditation was very popular.
05:00And he quoted that it brings down some poisonous chemicals in the body and so on.
05:05He said supposing you cannot meditate, you are travelling and so what will happen?
05:11Are you going to blow up?
05:13So his thought was that meditation 24 hours is there in every action and everything is good.
05:20I think that's, Ashtavarka is the one that really cleared my mind because he said there is no knowledge, nothing is separate.
05:29So I have read Vishisht Yoga, Ashtavarka and Bhagavad Gita and somewhere I find, I am basically a Sufi.
05:43And Ashtavarka has been at the moment what I am going through and it makes all the sense.
05:52It's a kind of set you free of all the dogmas, all the past.
05:58You see even Bhagavad Gita, Krishna, I am a great admirer but it still has classifications, higher, lower.
06:08It's not relevant in this day and age.
06:10So that's why Vishisht Yoga also is good.
06:16Like Lord Rama is confused, he is asking same question that Arjuna did.
06:22But here he is trying to address Janaka who is already a very knowledgeable person.
06:29So it's clarity is really, you know, it's kind of set you free from all the, so many things you have heard, learnt.
06:42Well each one grows up in certain environment and so on but it's been a very positive.
06:52Meditativeness is the submergence of mind in the center.
07:04If I ask you, does the devotee go to the temple and hence become a devotee or does he go to the temple out of his pre-existing devotion?
07:32What would you say?
07:33So the act of going to the temple cannot really be called as devotion.
07:41Devotion is there and therefore it is manifesting itself as a visit to the temple.
07:49Take the visit to the temple as the meditation exercise and take devotion as meditativeness.
08:00When I am saying meditativeness is 24x7, all I mean is that it is something beyond time.
08:07Because whatever is in time cannot be 24x7.
08:09Time means that it will start and it will end.
08:1224x7 does not mean that it is for long time or continuous time.
08:18It means it is beyond time and hence it is the self, it is the Atman.
08:22So when the mind is submerged in the self, then it takes up diverse activities.
08:31All those activities are meditations of different kinds.
08:39One of those activities could even be a breathing exercise or sitting silently or whatever you do.
08:45I have no issues with that.
08:48It is just that it is false when somebody calls that activity as meditation.
08:55If that activity is a result of an inner meditativeness, wonderful.
09:01But if inner meditativeness is not there and you are just entering the activity, then it is wasteful.
09:11The activity will not give much to you.
09:15You see, people think that peace comes from meditation activity.
09:26What I have been continuously asserting is that the meditation activity comes from peace.
09:35If you are believing that by sitting in a particular pose for half an hour, you will get peace,
09:43then you are deluded.
09:45But if there is an inner peace, that submergence which I talked about,
09:49if there is an inner peace, then surely you will discover more and more methods of meditation.
09:56Anything that you do will be a meditative exercise.
09:59Because now you love peace, so you will want to sustain that peace.
10:04You will not want to leave it, miss it.
10:08So whatever you do will be aimed at maintaining the peace that you are in.
10:16And that is real meditation.
10:21Now there will be not only a few methods of meditation, but an infinite number of methods of meditation.
10:27Are you getting it?
10:29Now everything that you do is meditation.
10:34But first you have to be internally meditative.
10:37Without that, if you try this or that, it will never help.
10:43Methods do not take you to the end.
10:47When you are already at the end, then you know which methods are right.
10:52And that knowing is spontaneous.
10:57You first have to be a devotee.
11:00Then wherever you go, you know there is God.
11:04Now there is a temple everywhere.
11:06But if you think that without being devoted internally, if you enter some temple,
11:13then you are just boosting your ego.
11:16That is what I have been trying to say.
11:19About the other thing, the observer is the observed.
11:22All that Krishnamurti is saying in his own language, particular kind of expression,
11:28is that the world appears to you as you are.
11:33That's all.
11:36What you see outside is just an expression of the quality of the mind.
11:45The observer is the observed.
11:47He could have added and both are false.
11:51He could have completed the sentence by saying the observer is the observed and both are false.
11:58He could have even said that when the observation is honest,
12:04then both the observer and the observed dissolve into each other and the falseness vanishes.
12:11Honest observation is the ending of both the observer and the observed.
12:21It's in every field.
12:23A musician is playing and he becomes one with the audience.
12:26Same thing.
12:28And when we are saying he becomes one with the audience,
12:32that doesn't mean that he feels that he is sitting with the audience.
12:35That means that there is no more any audience of any kind.
12:38And hence not the musician either.
12:41Artist, anything?
12:43No, nothing.
12:44Now there is just the happening.
12:46Just the happening without the doer.
12:48The time and space have gone.
12:50Gone.
12:51Because they exist only when there is mental activity.
12:55But the very fact of self-exploration and watching yourself creates a dualism.
13:00Yes, yes, yes.
13:01And that dualism, when teachers talk about observing yourself,
13:06I see that dualism is being taught, which is not the intention of the teacher, I think.
13:10No, it is just the ignorance of the teacher.
13:16Sorry, I am compelled to say that.
13:18You see, yesterday itself, I saw a European woman walking on the grass
13:27and she was keeping her feet like this.
13:37I know what she was doing.
13:39She would have surely been taught by some teacher that you must walk in awareness.
13:44Mindfulness.
13:45Mindfulness.
13:46So, mindful walking is what she was practicing.
13:48So, she was trying to do this, that okay, I am keeping the next step
13:52and I am aware of the grass touching my feet and the pressure exerted by the earth
13:57and now I keep the next step.
13:59Now you know what she is doing.
14:01An act which could have happened very simply without the aid of thought.
14:10Now, even that simple act has been brought in the province of thought.
14:14In the name of awareness, thought is being promoted.
14:19It is not awareness.
14:22Awareness is the cessation of thought.
14:24Not more thinking.
14:25That you are thinking even while keeping your step.
14:28You will go mad.
14:29If you start doing that, even for four hours a day, your mind will go kaput.
14:36Finished.
14:39What if she is just watching and trying to feel how the step feels against the grass.
14:45Yes, but then.
14:46Not thinking at all.
14:47Yes, but then that cannot be an organized thing.
14:50Then she cannot know that I have to keep the next step slowly and slowly and slowly.
14:56This slowly is a formal procedure.
14:58A formal procedure that she is mentally remembering and is hence contributing to more mental activity.
15:05Is it the wrong understanding of the disciple of what teacher has said?
15:10Because Thich Nhat Hanh.
15:11I don't want to say anything about any teacher, but Thich Nhat Hanh talks a lot about mindfulness.
15:15And these are all.
15:18The mind is already so full.
15:20Why do you want to have more mindfulness?
15:22What do you mean by mindfulness?
15:24The mind is.
15:25In fact, you need the mind to be emptied.
15:28A lot of suffering has been caused by this thing called mindfulness.
15:35Because in the name of mindfulness, all you get is more thinking, more thought.
15:40More thought, more thought.
15:43Somebody saying I am mindful of sipping tea.
15:46Now, sipping tea, which was such a sahaj activity, has been turned into a procedure.
15:56One thing Bodhi talks of is the seat consciousness.
15:59That part is.
16:00I have not read, so I am not really in a position to comment.
16:04No names.
16:05Not talking about someone in particular.
16:08I am just saying that this whole concept of watching yourself.
16:13When it is misplaced, then instead of witnessing, it becomes more mental activity.
16:19What they are trying to promote is witnessing.
16:22Detachment.
16:23They are saying watch yourself.
16:24Act.
16:25It does not happen like that.
16:27It is not so gross.
16:29Witnessing is not about saying now this happening.
16:31You know what they are saying that these teachers, they are saying.
16:38The whole day you are involved in 10 activities.
16:41Now add one more activity.
16:43Witnessing.
16:44So witnessing instead of becoming a dissolution of the 10 activities becomes an 11th activity.
16:52Another load on the mind.
16:54Another thought.
16:56Krishnamurti therefore took care to use the word passive.
17:04He uses that word very often.
17:07He says passive observation.
17:11Not active.
17:13Because active would mean thinking.
17:17So he would say passive.
17:19By that he only meant that when you are doing this, kindly do not start thinking.
17:23Kindly do not start planning your next step.
17:26Kindly do not have a pattern in mind.
17:32He used to say passive awareness.
17:36But you know even the word passive can become a thought.
17:47You can start thinking whether it is passive.
17:50Am I actively or passive?
17:52Gone. Finished.
17:54He talks about when admiring a flower.
17:56Don't analyze the beauty of the flower.
17:59See I am not analyzing the beauty of the flower.
18:02See I am not analyzing.
18:04Without knowing that even this is analysis.
18:06You know this is what happens when the subtle is interpreted by a gross mind.
18:19The words of the real teacher are very subtle.
18:22But when they fall in the hands of a gross mind, he gives them gross meanings.
18:26He gives material meanings to the spiritual.
18:31Some of the words in the spiritual domain today are extremely misused words.
18:55Mindfulness.
18:56Wakefulness.
18:57Loving compassion.
18:59Kindness.
19:05What are your thoughts on Ahimsa?
19:09I don't know whether that is in circulation these days.
19:12Is that so?
19:13Which one?
19:14Ahimsa.
19:15Ahimsa.
19:16I don't know.
19:19See if I do not know compassion.
19:21If I do not know witnessing.
19:22If I do not know any of the words that I frequently use.
19:27Obviously I will not know Ahimsa also.
19:31Even my non-violence will be very violent.
19:36Anything that is cultivated, plant and forced is violence.
19:44Violence is when you are going against the self.
19:49Against your central nature.
19:51That is violence.
19:53Ahimsa means abiding in the self.
19:56That's all.
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