00:00Last week, the neighborhood Carlos Gardel made news again due to extreme situations of insecurity.
00:07Journalists who covered a robbery near the neighborhood Carlos Gardel were attacked by minors,
00:13the cameras were taken and they were turned on.
00:16The images showed us entering the neighborhood Carlos Gardel,
00:20a neighborhood located in the Moronense locality of El Palomar,
00:24which ends on February 3rd and is located between Marconi Street,
00:28Carlos Gardel, Pedriel Avenue and the back of the hospital Posada.
00:38It's like everywhere, everywhere there is crime, there is drugs,
00:42there are good people, there are bad people, like everywhere,
00:45there are working people who get up at 5 in the morning and come back at 10 at night.
00:49I think that's it, that we are marginalized by the neighborhood Carlos Gardel.
00:54The neighborhood has always been a spicy place, as they say from the outside,
00:59it got a little worse later, it got better because there is an urbanization.
01:04For me, the moments of the neighborhood have a lot to do with the moments that we live at the national level.
01:10We are in a moment of crisis, that we are one of the first sectors that suffers
01:15the economic crisis, the crisis in terms of labor.
01:19And it is the first thing that is cut, obviously we do not agree
01:23and we suffer it that way, I think.
01:28In 1968, during the Hungarian government,
01:31the eradication of marginalized neighborhoods was discussed in the city of Buenos Aires
01:35and all the people were brought here, to the Moron area, to the west,
01:39so that they can live in what was going to be built at the time,
01:43which were the monoblocks of Villa Sarmiento.
01:46Finally, that construction was interrupted and the movements of the people began,
01:54the occupations within the neighborhood.
01:57Later, the neighborhood began to complicate itself
02:00due to the inequalities and permanent crises that Argentina had.
02:04It is part of the radiography of the neighborhood Carlos Gardel.
02:08It is a great community, a great family,
02:11well, that many times lives like a very structural poverty of many years.
02:17What are you seeing with the youth?
02:21There is like a breakdown of life project,
02:24there is a breakdown, there is an implosion in the families,
02:27where they cannot accompany him, where they are managing to survive every day
02:34and that makes, well, that the children are drifting.
02:37About 15 years ago, all these problems began, right?
02:42The boys stealing and it was more, how can I tell you,
02:48abandonment of the parents towards the children.
02:50For example, we here, it is not that we solve, but we provide space,
02:53then these spaces help the boys to be looked at, accompanied,
02:58so that they can eat, share, but also recover that, well, it is good that it exists.
03:07Why are we talking about Villa Carlos Gardel?
03:10Because for several months now in the West Corridor
03:15there has been a series of robberies,
03:18the most scandalous was last Friday,
03:21a major gendarme who was retiring,
03:24he had bought a house in the Palomar area,
03:28he had bought a cheaper house,
03:30he could not afford to buy it, he lived in Merlo,
03:32he said, well, let's move to a better neighborhood,
03:34let's buy a nicer house,
03:36he was retiring that day
03:38and a car, an Etios, crosses,
03:40and the criminals shoot him and kill him.
03:44Almost like in a choreography of obviousness,
03:47that Etios ends up on fire in Fuerte Apache,
03:50which is another of the hot spots
03:52where the gangs that are going to rob the middle-class neighborhoods of Ramos Mejia,
04:01Ciudadela, Palomar, Morón, come out or take refuge.
04:05Villa Sarmiento was the most isolated place,
04:08and why are we talking about Villa Carlos Gardel?
04:10Because it was proven that beyond what the neighbors said,
04:13when they went to rob a television team that was working in Villa Sarmiento,
04:18because there had been a robbery,
04:20even the American team that was saved,
04:22a camera is stolen and that camera continues to broadcast,
04:25and where does it end? In Villa Carlos Gardel.
04:27Pablo Ponzón was working there in Villa Carlos Gardel.
04:31What did you see? What else do people tell you there?
04:35How are you, Rolando?
04:36Well, as I was saying, we returned to Villa Carlos Gardel after a long time,
04:40it was a historically hot territory,
04:45it had a strong change in the last urbanization works.
04:52When today one arrives in the neighborhood,
04:54Villa Carlos Gardel is not the same as it was ten years ago.
04:57What happens is that it is seen that the urbanization does not lower the insecurity.
05:02Exactly, at least in what is this stage, it does not end down.
05:06Let's remember, last year, we were analyzing it, Rolando, with you yesterday,
05:11for example, a chase where a patrolman enters the neighborhood,
05:16there are some shots, they end up robbing the patrolman who enters the neighborhood
05:23and finally leaves him elsewhere.
05:27That is, it is a group of people who live there,
05:30most of them locked up in themselves,
05:34with groups of kids who get together in the corner,
05:38who will work for someone else.
05:40They are disorganized, but they are.
05:42Yes, but that is the paradoxical thing,
05:44because we are not talking about a big cartel or big bands,
05:49like Rosario, where they are much more organized,
05:54or in some places in Conurbano, where they are real narco bands.
05:57Here they are kids, and the neighborhood also has a gendarmerie, just like Fuerte Apache.
06:03That's right, we had information that the gendarmerie was in the neighborhood
06:07when we started asking ourselves, I said to myself,
06:10it has been for a long time, and many times,
06:13when there is a group of uniformed people,
06:16whether they are from the Fuerte Apache or not,
06:18who have been in a territory for a long time,
06:20the relaxation begins, let's say.
06:22Perhaps it does not begin to relax,
06:24perhaps not being in all the places where it was intended,
06:27in the first ideas of how to do it,
06:30so that the neighborhood is calmer.
06:33People asked the gendarmerie to go to the spiciest territories,
06:36now nothing changes, look,
06:38the gendarmerie that they kill in the area of El Palomar,
06:44the car escapes and enters Fuerte Apache,
06:47in a place where there are discarded cars that come from other robberies,
06:50and evidently pass in front of the gendarmes,
06:52that is, the guys who came to kill the gendarmerie pass in front of the gendarmes,
06:55and the gendarmes are not even aware.
06:58This is the case in which the car ends in Fuerte Apache.
07:03Unlike Fuerte Apache,
07:06Carlos Gardel has an innumerable number of entrances,
07:09therefore you would have to, for this concept,
07:12say, well, grab and close,
07:14have a lock effect on this neighborhood,
07:16which is dangerous,
07:18to analyze who comes out and who enters.
07:20It is not that simple,
07:22because it has practically 16 entrances,
07:2416, 17, 18 entrances.
07:26You remember, unlike Gardel,
07:29in the case of the Army of the Andes neighborhood,
07:33the gendarmerie was positioned in strategic points.
07:38Of course, in the case of the Army of the Andes,
07:40it was withdrawn at the time.
07:42Now they came back.
07:43In fact, on the weekend,
07:45during the whole week,
07:47from Friday to the weekend,
07:50different nodes of the buildings of Fuerte Apache.
07:56But why does this confusion appear?
07:58Rolando, where we are,
08:00you ask about Carlos Gardel,
08:02and I call you Fuerte Apache.
08:04Well, because in reality,
08:06for the whole neighborhood of Morón,
08:08or of 3 Febrero,
08:09the one they steal from,
08:11practically, automatically,
08:13they take over the Carlos Gardel neighborhood.
08:15And what has to be said is that
08:17the problem is not only in the Carlos Gardel neighborhood.
08:20And that the problem that was already bad,
08:22evidently, with the defunding of the security,
08:25it will get worse.
08:26This is a very simple analysis.
08:28Yes, there was also the question of Guita, indeed.
08:31What they say from the program in Buenos Aires is that
08:34in the cuts of Miley,
08:36different funds were cut.
08:38One had to do with the installation of luminaries,
08:41loans for the installation of luminaries in the municipalities.
08:44That's why today,
08:45in a good part of the urban area,
08:47there is a deterioration of the light.
08:49And that generates a greater feeling of insecurity.
08:53Then, another thing that is also seen
08:55is that there was a fund for security
08:57and for the purchase of patrols,
08:58and those things that were also cut
09:00as part of the Miley-Kicillof fight.
09:02And that also has an impact on insecurity.
09:06Yes, the neighbor does not care much
09:08about what political sign the lieutenant is,
09:11or who is as a governor,
09:14or whoever is in the nation.
09:16As a neighbor, the only thing that interests you
09:18is to be able to go out to the street
09:19and not to be killed, basically.
09:21So, many times this discussion ends
09:23in which everyone blames the other,
09:27they look the other way.
09:29And in reality,
09:31the neighbors have been complaining for a long time.
09:34In fact, there were meetings last week,
09:36people who have already stolen six or seven times
09:38from each of them.
09:39It is simply good to see what they are going to do,
09:41how we are going to agree,
09:43how we are going to stop this wave.
09:45It is a real mess.
09:47We saw it again last week,
09:49as heated in this western area.
09:52But according to all indications,
09:54what is going to mark you is that,
09:56with the money you had,
09:58you had problems, because you had them,
10:00because, let's say,
10:02the problems in December did not start
10:05with Miley-Kicillof,
10:06regarding the issue of insecurity in the area,
10:09but much earlier.
10:10The truth is that,
10:12the problem, for example,
10:14is that you, as a municipality,
10:16can collect much less money,
10:18because there is a recession,
10:20in which the national government
10:22takes out funds that are for security,
10:26or that were already planned for security.
10:29On the other hand, they tell you,
10:31well, but in reality the money that is there
10:33was not executed in the same way.
10:35Yes, but nothing indicates that,
10:37with the cut of funds,
10:39things are going to improve.
10:41Pablo, thank you for the contact.
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