00:0011 without mantelos, the merchants say that the sales have improved, Fabian, do you know anything about this?
00:07Surely, yes, without mantelos and with a lot of police, with a lot of police surveillance,
00:12look at the delegation that is arriving and in each corner you have a policeman who is guarding to prevent,
00:18to prevent precisely that the mantelos return and obviously the tranquility of the merchants who can open quietly.
00:26Obviously the problem, as always, is in the familiarity, to put it in a loving way,
00:32that the police officers of the area end up having with the mantelos,
00:36because notice that all those people are police personnel, but they have nothing to do with the police station itself,
00:42they come from another side and it is the way in which they end up cutting, because it is like the yuyos,
00:48first one begins, another, when you want to remember, a whole district was filled with mantelos,
00:54because a lot of people circulate there and it is tempting for them to go to put the blankets and compete with the merchants.
01:03It is true, but also you will remember, Rolando, that this area of 11 was a seeding of mantelos and drugs.
01:12Here in one more block we participated, do you remember, in an operation where a bunker was closed where drugs were sold
01:19and the truth is that one of the women who has fought for this situation is Gloria López Ortiz,
01:24a woman who, come here Gloria, we are going to go a little further because now you can walk along the sidewalk,
01:29who has police custody because together with the neighbors of 11, and this is good to remark,
01:34they fight and claim and break and break so that there are no drugs in this area and so that there are no mantelos
01:41because coexistence was also made intolerable.
01:44You know that she was just telling me and I am going to reaffirm it now so that I can talk to you,
01:49before the mantelos out there had a certain relationship and now they had become very violent, is that so?
01:55Yes, how are you? Good morning.
01:57Yes, the truth is that it had become very hostile, it was very difficult to live together,
02:03there were 4 years and 10 months of people occupying the public space, right?
02:09But it had really become hostile, there were neighbors taking anxiolytics,
02:14there were really people very affected by the improper use of public space,
02:20because they were also at war with the one they had on the sidewalk.
02:23Of course.
02:24Rolando is listening to you, Gloria.
02:25Yes, Gloria, I remember cases that we have presented in the news of neighbors
02:30who ended up being threatened by organizations that were nuking the mantelos.
02:38Yes, yes, just like that, that continued and deepened, it was tremendous,
02:45I mean, I tell you that there were people with panic attacks, people who were afraid of going out to the sidewalk,
02:50people who no longer took out the dog, because they had had a conflict with the one they were occupying,
02:56because the policeman came and there was a scandal and the neighbor always ended up being impeached by chance.
03:07Ah, of course, well, that speaks of the connivence or the way that the police stations in the area understood the conflict.
03:18Yes, you are right, if there was no approval from a public official or a complicity, this would not happen, right?
03:30It is like that, it is inevitable.
03:33Because it is also impossible to deny.
03:35There is a link.
03:36And also, why are there mantelos in some neighborhoods and not in others?
03:41Of course, also.
03:44I mean, let's also take into account that there is a political issue,
03:48which sometimes depends on where the wind is going,
03:51whether it facilitates these illicit organizations to settle in the public space or not, right?
03:57It also has to do with that, because you, a neighbor of 11,
04:01you complained to the jurisdiction police station,
04:04why don't they take these mantelos out of here?
04:06And they said, because it is a political issue.
04:09They are here because it is a political issue, right?
04:11So, well, nothing.
04:13And well, in this last stage of the mantelos in the city of Buenos Aires,
04:17a social organization was added, right?
04:20That also added a spice that made them stay longer.
04:25Because the social organization had its agreements with the government on duty, etc., right?
04:31Gloria, what about the drug traffickers?
04:34Because we have also told many episodes there in that neighborhood
04:38of houses where they were sold, there were houses taken,
04:42where they sold four-handed drugs all day long.
04:46Has there been any progress on that as well?
04:51Yes, this year a lot of work was done since January.
04:54There is a whole area, if you remember, where Moreno, Catamarca,
04:58all that area of Jujuy, Belgrano Avenue,
05:02that we made a lot of notes.
05:05Although I am not telling you that no more drugs are distributed,
05:08there have been many operations, searchings, searches.
05:12Obviously there is a lot to do, but a lot has been done in this area
05:17and also in the constitutional area this year.
05:20You see that we are always witnesses or witnesses of causes
05:24because we are collecting all the evidence from neighbors.
05:27So that's why we are following the drug issue.
05:31Work has been done, obviously a lot is still to be done,
05:34but a lot has been done.
05:36Gloria, do you know where the drug traffickers went to stop?
05:41Yes, the neighbors of Flores say they are in Flores,
05:46another part in Parque Rivadavia.
05:50In other words, they are being distributed in different neighborhoods.
05:54The micro center, Rolo, the micro center in Florida,
05:58do you remember that there were no more drug dealers in Florida?
06:00Well, now there are.
06:02If they don't sell in one place, they sell in another.
06:05Those people are still working somewhere.
06:07Yes, yes.
06:09The problem is that they end up working for larger chains of smugglers.
06:16This is the real problem.
06:18Do you remember?
06:19Yes.
06:20Yes.
06:21Rolo, what we were talking about the other day,
06:23that they had put a shed, a sales stand around here in Once.
06:26Does that still work?
06:28Gloria, there are people working.
06:30No, no.
06:31The sheds, on the day of the almost 200 raids,
06:35one of them was raided because the smugglers were using it as a warehouse.
06:40And there was a lot of apocryphal brand merchandise in the place.
06:44And from that day of the raids,
06:46And do you know who the owners of those sheds are, Gloria?
06:50Well, the city government rented it, the one on Perón Street.
06:55I don't know if they still have it.
06:58It's not that they gave it back.
07:00That was a place that was intended to have sheds,
07:04and it ended up becoming a warehouse because no one went there.
07:08Sure, sure.
07:10No one went there, but the smugglers used it as a warehouse.
07:14All the smugglers who were on the streets.
07:16In the streets, there were 10 apples occupied by smugglers.
07:20So, take into account that there were 7,000 people.
07:23But this was a phenomenon.
07:25They put the shed to sell, and they used it to copy the merchandise.
07:28Sure, a shed that all the taxpayers used, right?
07:31Sure.
07:32I mean, clearly.
07:34From a ministry of the city government, the shed.
07:41Fabi, thank you for the contact.
07:43Thank you, Gloria.
07:47See you later, Rolo.
07:48And you, who accompany us every day.
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