00:00Mr. Tan Sri, on the 21st of October, a few days ago,
00:09I submitted the same resolution to the Speaker, Cameron Highland,
00:20but he asked me to submit it again to you, Mr. Tan Sri,
00:26because it is directly related to you.
00:29This matter is related to a letter that was sent by Mr. Tan Sri himself to Mr. Macang
00:38on 15 October 2024,
00:43related to the suspension of the meeting of the People's Congress on him,
00:51which was held on 18 July 2024.
00:56He was suspended for six months
00:58from attending the meeting of the People's Congress.
01:03I refer to paragraph 44.5, which states that
01:07if an ally has been suspended from attending the meeting of the People's Congress,
01:13he is directed to leave the meeting
01:17and cannot take part in the meeting until the suspension ends.
01:25As usual, Macang was directed to leave the meeting.
01:37However, when the third meeting of the People's Congress was held on 14 October,
01:47he was present on the 14th and 15th.
01:52However, he sat in the public gallery of the People's Congress.
01:58We, on behalf of Macang, feel that the direction of Mr. Tan Sri through this letter is in our opinion,
02:09not in accordance and not in accordance with the rules.
02:14Because the public gallery, as well as the public gallery in front of this council,
02:20is a public place, a place for people who are not members of this council,
02:25whether they are members of this council for a long time or depending on their services.
02:31I have given the example of a soccer player who has been thrown out of the field,
02:37sent off, red card, thrown out of the field.
02:41He cannot sit on the field, but he can sit in the public gallery.
02:48Although Mr. Mohamad mentioned in this letter,
02:51he can be in the Parliament building following the broadcast.
02:58He is different from sitting in the stadium and following the broadcast.
03:05Whatever our opinion,
03:08when Mr. Mohamad directed Macang to go out,
03:11he never said that Mr. Mohamad cannot be in this council,
03:17including in the public gallery or anywhere in this council.
03:21For me, that is a benefit of the doubt.
03:26Benefit of the doubt should be given to the accused person.
03:30The accused person in this matter is Macang.
03:33Mr. Mohamad did not say anything at that time.
03:35He just went out of this council.
03:37And I said, sitting in the public gallery,
03:39what can he take part in?
03:41He can just watch.
03:43He cannot speak.
03:44He cannot even speak loudly and so on.
03:46So, for me, as a defender,
03:49we see Mr. Mohamad,
03:52we doubt that Mr. Mohamad has re-evaluated,
03:55reviewed this direction.
03:57At least he can sit in the public gallery.
04:00Six months, Mr. Mohamad.
04:02That is a big punishment.
04:05It is not equal to his sentence.
04:08So, I ask for a ruling from Mr. Mohamad
04:11so that he can review this direction.
04:19Mr. President.
04:20What do you want to say, Mr. President?
04:22It is the same thing.
04:23It is all about sharing.
04:24If it is the same thing, there is nothing to say.
04:26No, it is sharing.
04:27This is sharing.
04:28I want to make a decision.
04:29No, it is sharing.
04:31Be patient.
04:33It is the same thing.
04:35In fact, in 2017,
04:39when I was in the government,
04:41in front of Tan Sri now,
04:45Tan Sri Lim Kit Siang,
04:49and the direction from the speaker at that time,
04:54and Tan Sri was also in the court at that time,
04:58and his decision,
05:00he can sit.
05:02And I asked him to take action under Article 44.7
05:06so that he can issue it.
05:08But he did not take it.
05:09According to the convention,
05:11the same thing should be done.
05:13Tan Sri should investigate and allow
05:16as if he was in the court
05:18without taking part.
05:20That's all, Mr. President.
05:22Okay, this is my decision.
05:24While I am the one who was appointed today,
05:27starting from 15 October 2024,
05:31whoever is appointed to leave,
05:35or is ordered to follow this convention,
05:39the meaning of leaving is to leave this chamber.
05:44He can follow from outside,
05:47but he cannot enter the chamber.
05:49Because this will cause a lot of problems.
05:52So I made a decision,
05:54he cannot enter the chamber,
05:57including this area.
05:59That's my decision.
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