00:00So guys, did you expect season one to just kick off the way it did?
00:04Because I was obsessed.
00:06Well, you never know.
00:08There's quite a lot of content out there, isn't there?
00:11So it was really, really gratifying when it definitely hit a chord.
00:16I was stopped in the street a lot.
00:18We got an Emmy nomination.
00:19That's right, yeah.
00:20You know, it was...
00:22Yeah, I was so pleased because this is one of the jobs I am most proud of.
00:28I love it.
00:29It was a surprise, but I think success is often a surprise.
00:34That's just my cynical nature.
00:37But yeah, it was huge.
00:40And a lot of people would stop me in the street and talk about it
00:44or ask me what it was all about, which I would find difficult to explain
00:47because I wasn't actually Gideon.
00:50But no, it was lovely.
00:51It was a really nice experience.
00:54Peter, did you find that people were a little bit scared of you after that?
00:57Yes, I think they had to be a bit braver.
01:00I think I was a little less approachable.
01:04But no, it was a wonderful...
01:08You know, making a programme in the first place is such a privilege
01:13and so much fun.
01:15And working with Jessica and Tom and everyone, it's so pleasant.
01:20It's a kind of added bonus that when it actually comes out,
01:23the public like it.
01:25That's a wonderful bonus.
01:27It's a real leap of faith, whatever project you do.
01:29You read the script, you love the script.
01:31But what I love about this is it imbues the audience with intelligence.
01:36You've got to keep your eye on it.
01:39You've got to be engaged.
01:41And I love that about the show.
01:44Our audience are clever and they get it.
01:47So yeah, I love that.
01:48And Jessica, when you found out you were working with Peter,
01:50were you just like, oh wow, okay, this is quite exciting?
01:54And did you take any branding from him to sign perhaps some Doctor Who merch?
01:58It's such an incredible role.
02:01We need someone amazing to go toe-to-toe with Lucy.
02:05So it was just...
02:06Oh, that's true.
02:07It's just so...
02:08You just gave it everything.
02:10And that first season, you were literally chained to a desk.
02:14Yes, I was chained to a table for two weeks.
02:18Which was great.
02:19And it was so intense.
02:20But she's so amazing.
02:21She's so amazing.
02:22I think she's so brilliant.
02:24It's not giving anything away.
02:26I've just been working on season three
02:28and just been seeing some of what Jess is doing in that.
02:31And she's even more incredible in season three than she is in season two,
02:36which is brilliant.
02:37Don't get your loops mixed up.
02:39Don't get my loops mixed up.
02:40But I always remember Jess being killed in Lane of Duty.
02:43That was one of the most exciting.
02:44Yes, and for me, Malcolm Tucker was just such an iconic role.
02:49It's always...
02:51He just lodges in there.
02:53So yeah, it was a real privilege to work with Peter.
02:55Vice versa.
02:57So what about your dreams and your superstitions?
03:00Oh, I always get a bit concerned with that magpie thing.
03:03Oh, do you?
03:04You've got to see...
03:06Is that one for sorrow?
03:07One for sorrow, two for joy.
03:09And although I'm not a superstitious person,
03:12but somewhere inside me,
03:14I always get a bit anxious until I see that second magpie.
03:18And then I try to figure out, does it mean...
03:21If you see a magpie at 8am,
03:25if you see another one at quarter to two in the afternoon,
03:29does that count as...?
03:30I think it's together.
03:31They've got to be together.
03:32I think so.
03:33So what does that mean?
03:35Well, all I can say is that it can't be right
03:38because all I've had is good luck.
03:40Well, I'd love to watch Peter Cavalli looking for magpies on the street.
03:44Looking for the other magpies.
03:47Hopefully it's not too obvious, it's just a slight anxiety.
03:50Yeah, yeah.
03:51What about you, Jessica?
03:52Is it gaps on the pavement or is it anything that you don't do?
03:57My son is obsessed with not stepping on the cracks on the pavement,
04:01so I'll go along with that.
04:02It's quite fun hopping along.
04:04I don't really have any superstitions.
04:06No, I don't.
04:07I just...
04:08No, I just don't.
04:09I just like kind of...
04:11I'm quite existential like that.
04:13But what does he think happens if you step on them?
04:16It's bad luck, Peter.
04:17All right, so it's not that the pavement...
04:18Bad luck.
04:19And then there's lava, yeah.
04:21Yeah, kids, there's always lava.
04:23Watch out for the lava.
04:25Obviously, Gideon can remember everything.
04:27If you guys could go to one memory, one point in time,
04:31before you were born or any time, where would you love to be and watch?
04:34What do you mean, in the whole of the human...
04:36Because I was thinking I'd like to be on the sofa
04:38watching the moon landing back then
04:40because I think you would have been...
04:43I saw that happen.
04:45I can fill you in.
04:47What that was like.
04:49It was very, very late at night.
04:51The picture was terrible.
04:52It was a very, very disappointing picture.
04:54And it took hours.
04:56It took hours and hours and hours
04:58because they landed and then they had to get the spacesuits.
05:01We didn't know all this.
05:02We all just knew they were going to get pictures from the moon.
05:05And when the pictures came through,
05:07they were just the back of a ladder and blackness.
05:11Like in the worst TV set possible.
05:13But were you thrilled, nonetheless?
05:15Or were you disappointed?
05:17Well, the thrill was you could go out into the background
05:20and look up and see the moon.
05:22Go there, actually.
05:23Oh, no, it was incredible.
05:24But it wasn't.
05:26You know, today's...
05:28The public today would not put up with it visually.
05:30Okay, maybe not that moment then,
05:32but any other moment you'd like to have relived or been at?
05:35I quite like the idea of being in Berlin in the 1920s.
05:41That kind of cabaret nightclub scene.
05:45Everything was just a little bit raucous and naughty.
05:49And, yeah, I bet that was fun.
05:53You were auditioning, I think.
05:55Sally Balls.
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