00:00Mr. Chair, in the affidavit of Col. Garma, he mentioned that he was called by former President Rodrigo Duterte.
00:10When he was called, was the plan to implement nationwide the War on Drugs split? Is that correct?
00:23Yes, yes, Mr. Chair.
00:26Mr. Chair, when former President Rodrigo Duterte was mayor in Davao,
00:34was the War on Drugs implemented there based on how we perceive it now? Is that correct?
00:45Yes, Mr. Chair.
00:47Mr. Chair, at least now, it's a good thing that Col. Garma admitted it
00:52because in our previous questions, it wasn't immediately put on record in the committee.
01:00At least now, we know once and for all.
01:06Mr. Chair, when Col. Garma was station commander,
01:11at the time of former President Rodrigo Duterte as mayor,
01:16does that mean that given her role, she was one of those who implemented the War on Drugs in Davao?
01:24Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
01:41No?
01:55Please clarify the question.
01:57Mr. Chair, my question is because Col. Garma became station commander when Rodrigo Duterte was mayor in Davao.
02:06Does that mean that given her role, she was one of those who implemented the War on Drugs in Davao?
02:15Yes, Mr. Chair.
02:17Mr. Chair, she implemented the War on Drugs in Davao because she was with the Davao Boys and Girls mentioned earlier by NUPL.
02:29Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
02:32Mr. Chair, can I explain my answer, Mr. Chair, so that the congressman can understand?
02:39Yes, Mr. Chair.
02:40Please bring the microphone closer to you.
02:44This is how it works actually.
02:52When conducting a police operation,
02:54if the operation is successful and you file the case in court,
03:03you will submit a report to the City Hall monthly,
03:09and it will contain the filed case and the I.S. number,
03:14the proof that the case was filed, and the details of the case.
03:19Once you submit this, the operational expenses will be refunded.
03:24That's Php 5,000 per case or per operation.
03:31Now, if your operation is big and you need an operational fund,
03:39you will also request the City Hall for the funding of the operation plan.
03:50Now, in case there was an operation and subsequently there was a death on the part of the suspects
04:04during an illegitimate operation, there is also a corresponding amount that is given, Mr. Chair.
04:14So, that is how it works.
04:18So, Mr. Chair, it means that it is true that there were Davao boys and girls who carried out war on drugs.
04:26To confirm, Mr. Chair, that is correct.
04:28That is the mode of operations as described. Is that correct?
04:33Is that what Davao boys and girls conduct and do?
04:42That is the system of how you will refund the operational expenses.
04:48What they call it and what they call it, for me, it's not relevant.
04:56For me, it's not relevant as long as the process on how the funds are being provided, that is what I am explaining.
05:09If that is how it is politically described, then that's it.
05:18Okay. Mr. Chair, regarding the reward system, because it is also mentioned in the affidavit,
05:24that the operational expenses are being refunded and there is also funding for planned operations.
05:31This is the co-plan and there is also a reward if the suspect is killed. Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
05:39Yes, Your Honor.
05:41Mr. Chair, we were able to get information, although in the past, it was just rumored,
05:49but now that we are holding investigations, we were able to get sources.
05:56When it comes to the reward system, if a pusher is killed, that is the so-called level 1,
06:07and the reward is P50,000. Will that be confirmed by Col. Garma, Mr. Chair?
06:18Mr. Chair, I am not so familiar with the specific amounts, but there is an amount per level.
06:28I think Col. Leonardo can explain what the specific amount is.
06:32I might be wrong if I say it is P50,000 or P100,000 or P1,000,000,
06:37but there is a corresponding amount per level, Mr. Chair.
06:41Okay. Mr. Chair, from the information we got, there are four levels.
06:48Level 1 is P50,000 for the pusher, if the pusher is killed.
06:53Level 2 is P100,000 for the big-time pusher.
06:59For the narco-cops, narco-politicians, or protectors, it is P300,000 to P500,000.
07:07For traders, manufacturers, chemists, ninja-cops, or financiers,
07:14the reward is P1,000,000 if they are killed.
07:19Is that leveling and amounts familiar to Col. Garma?
07:26There is an amount, Mr. Chair, from what I understand, starting P20,000 to P1,000,000,
07:32but I am not familiar with the bracketing, Mr. Chair.
07:37Mr. Chair, the P20,000 is the street level or small-time involved in drug trade, right?
07:47Most likely, because that is the smallest amount as far as I know, Mr. Chair.
07:55And to compare, Mr. Chair, those who were killed in Davao Penal Colony,
08:01because their task in drug trade is to become chemists,
08:09so if they are level 4, the reward is P1,000,000 for killing them.
08:19And because there are three of them, it is P3,000,000. Is that right, Mr. Chair?
08:25I don't know, Mr. Chair, because I didn't see how much,
08:29if they were really classified, what level, I didn't see it.
08:35But you can confirm that the highest is P1,000,000?
08:39As far as I know, Mr. Chair.
08:42Okay, Mr. Chair, regarding the implementation of the War on Drugs on a national level,
08:52regarding Col. Garma's conversation with former President Rodrigo Duterte,
08:57did he say that he has an intention to implement the Davao model across the country? Is that true, Mr. Chair?
09:09Yes, Mr. Chair.
09:11And, Mr. Chair, regarding this plan, the incumbent senator, Bongo, is on loop there, is that right?
09:28Mr. Chair, I didn't get the question. Kindly repeat, Your Honor.
09:33Mr. Chair, regarding the plan to implement the Davao model across the country,
09:38based on the affidavit, we want to confirm that Senator Bongo is on loop there, is that right?
09:45As far as I understand, it would appear, Mr. Chair, because he was the one who met Mr. Leonardo.
10:02Mr. Chair, when a suspect is killed in a drug trade, who is the first to report the instances of someone being killed?
10:15On the ground, you will make a report, Mr. Chair, a spot report.
10:24And then, there is a phone number that is disseminated to all of the RD, PD, Chief of Police,
10:34where the result of the police operation is texted.
10:40And these phone numbers are handled by the people of Mr. Leonardo.
10:48Mr. Chair, since Colonel Garma became a part of the War on Drugs in Davao,
10:55is he familiar with or does he know if there is a competition in different police stations
11:03for the number of people who were killed?
11:05Especially if there is a reward for killing a person as compared to just being arrested.
11:13Is there such a type of competition among police stations?
11:18None, Mr. Chair, during our time.
11:21Mr. Chair, when it comes to how different police stations or police officers
11:33what were the precautions to say that a police station is effective in conducting the War on Drugs?
11:48For us in Davao, it depends on the station you are handling
11:55because it is already profiled on the classification of drugs,
12:01if the barangay is invested in drugs.
12:04So there is a projection because we have a baseline that we established during that time.
12:16So it is projected how many people are possible to be arrested every month, Mr. Chair.
12:25But of course, there comes a point where you are not caught or it is too low
12:31because it also depends on the performance of the patrol in the area
12:35as part of preventing the occurrence of illegal drug trade.
12:41So you will choose to operate or intensify the police patrol
12:47so that you will not be caught and the sale of drugs will not continue.
12:52You just choose between the two.
12:55Mr. Chair, that is about the reward system when a suspect is killed
13:01even though we would like to underscore that they are just suspects.
13:05Mr. Chair, when it comes to the funding of planned operations,
13:10who will fund those operations, the so-called co-plan based on the affidavit?
13:18What I understand is that when there is a big police operation,
13:22the case operation plan is submitted to Sir Leonardo for funding.
13:29And I think Sir Leonardo will be able to explain where the funding comes from, Mr. Chair.
13:36Mr. Chair, as far as I know, is there any private individuals or corporations
13:42that provide donations for these planned operations?
13:49I'm not aware, Mr. Chair.
13:51I'm not aware.
13:53Mr. Chair, is the amount given for each operation the same?
14:04I'm not aware, Mr. Chair. I'm not the one evaluating the co-plans.
14:09As far as I know, it is submitted to him and he will facilitate the funding, Mr. Chair.
14:16Okay. And Mr. Chair, as far as the third type of money used for these plans,
14:25the refund for operational expenses, what are the types of expenses?
14:34Because if it is refunded, it means that there is an abonor, right?
14:38Is the system like that when conducting operations?
14:42Do the involved police first abonor and then they will ask for a refund?
14:51I will explain further, Mr. Chair.
14:55The real money is in the ground, Mr. Chair.
14:58We are the real top in the ground.
15:01There is really no fund.
15:03You will really abonor.
15:06Even by bus money, the chief of police will abonor
15:10so that he can mark it.
15:12Sometimes it will burn and run away.
15:14It's gone.
15:15Then you will not be caught.
15:17You will not really be able to refund your money.
15:19So the chief of police and the operatives are really abonor.
15:25That is why in Davao, once the police operation is successful,
15:29you file the case.
15:31There is an I.S. number.
15:32Proof that you filed the case.
15:35The expenses will be refunded by P5,000,
15:39like photocopy, by bus money, payment for the agent,
15:44food for the suspect when you bring it to the court
15:49because you will also wait in court for a long time.
15:53So those are the expenses, which is very decent enough.
15:57Just enough to return and refund the personal expenses
16:02that were spent by the chief of police or the operatives
16:05during the police operation, Mr. Chair.
16:09Mr. Chair, for those who are being refunded for operational expenses,
16:15where or who gets the refunded amounts?
16:22Are we referring to the National Scope, Mr. Chair?
16:26Is there a question or Davao?
16:28In Davao, Mr. Chair.
16:30In Davao, we have to submit the after-activity report to the City Hall.
16:36And then you will sign a voucher that will refund all the expenses.
16:44How about when the scale of implementation of war on drugs became national or nationwide,
16:51who also gets the refund?
16:55It's all to Col. Leonardo, Mr. Chair.
16:59Okay. So far, Mr. Chair, those are my questions.
17:04But so far, based on what we've heard so far, Mr. Chair,
17:08I'm still absorbing them because it's not usual to hear
17:17that someone confirms that there is a reward system
17:23for the amounts ranging from the small time,
17:27where even for innocents, the price is P20,000 for them,
17:32and then the big time, P1 million for each head.
17:37And from Davao, it became massive all the way to the whole country.
17:43That's why the police officers are so eager
17:49that if the goal of neutralization is to kill,
17:54that's how big the reward they will get, Mr. Chair.
17:58That's all for now. Thank you very much.
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