00:00Well, let's talk about Brexit. It's, as you say, a defining part of your legacy. It was
00:05chaos afterwards, as you acknowledge in your book. And you blame a lot of people for that.
00:09You blame David Cameron. You blame Theresa May later. You blame the EU. The one person
00:13you don't blame is you, and people will find that amazing. You told us that we should do
00:18this, and you hadn't devoted any serious thought to what came next.
00:22Come on. So I wanted to win an argument, and I believed in freedom, and I believed that
00:28our country had a great, great future.
00:30You were the leader. You were leading us into this.
00:33What we expected, and what I think everybody expected, was that the Cameron government,
00:40having called a referendum, a yes-no choice for the people, leave-remain choice for the
00:46people, would bring forward a white paper.
00:50Why? He didn't believe it. What made you possibly think that would be the outcome?
00:54Because every other European leader, when they hold referendums, decides, you know,
01:00once the people have voted, decides what to do, and stays in office. So it's not normal
01:06for the prime minister, having asked for a referendum vote, suddenly to evacuate the
01:11stage.
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