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"Current Policy of PTI is to Refrain from any communication with Establishment" Rauf Hassan's Statement
"Current Policy of PTI is to Refrain from any communication with Establishment" Rauf Hassan's Statement
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00:00So, sir, now that you are the head of the policy think-tank,
00:02you are very relevant in this regard.
00:04Please tell us, in today's date,
00:06is this your opinion,
00:08what you gave in our program,
00:11that talks should take place, talks are necessary,
00:14and you are ready for talks tomorrow as well?
00:18Look, the circumstances that are in place at the moment,
00:21I can't say that we should immediately engage in them,
00:26we should adopt this path,
00:30because bitterness has been created a lot at the moment,
00:33and our party, especially Mr. Khan's feeling,
00:37is a very strong feeling on the basis of practical experience,
00:40that what is said is not done, it is not delivered.
00:44That is why it will be very difficult for me to say that
00:48you should immediately adopt the path of dialogue,
00:51but ultimately, I always say that ultimately,
00:54matters will not be resolved in a battleground,
00:57so you will have to sit at the negotiation table and give and take,
01:01you will exercise permutations and accommodations,
01:03you will see which is the best way to move forward,
01:07so at some point in time, definitely,
01:08I still believe that ultimately,
01:11it will only be possible to move forward through dialogue.
01:15But as we speak, the policy of PTI is that we don't want to talk to the establishments?
01:19Yes, our policy at the moment is that we don't want to talk to the establishments.
01:25And what is their policy that they want to talk to the PTI?
01:30Hello?
01:31What is their policy that they want to talk to the PTI?
01:36Look, there was an engagement,
01:37I think I mentioned this in your last program as well,
01:40that there was an engagement in the series of Jalsa on 22nd August,
01:45and because our government is in KP,
01:48the Chief Minister is there, and that is a disturbed province,
01:52so even in that context, the Chief Minister meets with the people of the establishment,
02:00so there is an ongoing engagement.
02:03Now, if you want to specify whether you have talked about this subject or not,
02:08I am not fully updated on that,
02:10but I am sure that the Chief Minister has been talking about this issue from time to time.
02:18So, if in today's date, if this message comes from there,
02:22if it is said that okay, this is deadlocked, let's find a way forward, let's talk,
02:26then what will be the party's response?
02:30This decision will be made by Mr. Khan,
02:32because his policy at the moment, which we have stated,
02:35you have also said that we don't want to engage,
02:37but if the initiative comes from the other side,
02:39then I am sure that Mr. Khan will deliberate about it,
02:42and will talk about it and make a decision.
02:44Okay, and you have repeatedly said that ultimately,
02:47the issue will not be resolved by fighting, it will be resolved by talking.
02:51So, what is the way forward for that?
02:53I mean, for that, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab,
02:55of course, he is on the side of the army, so the army will tell,
02:57or if you also want to give your opinion, then give it.
02:58But you tell us from your side, what should we do so that we can go in that direction?
03:02Because you are saying, I am convinced,
03:04that ultimately, the issue will be resolved by talking, whenever it will be.
03:08Look, the rules and laws that give rights to a political party,
03:14we should have respect for those rights, we should get those rights.
03:20Number two, the constant demonstration of indifference against our party,
03:25and there is no lack of any kind in that, it should end.
03:30What are the reasons that only PTI is the target of the state?
03:35Why hasn't the other political parties made any mistakes at all,
03:38if we want to talk hypothetically?
03:40Number one thing, number two thing,
03:42this issue of Jalsa Jaloos, a peaceful political protest or agitation,
03:48every political party is allowed in that, but PTI is not allowed.
03:52Whenever we have, for example, the last three Jalsas that we have held,
03:55you know the background of that, I should not go into that again,
03:58in that, the cities of the cities were locked down.
04:00Is this done at the Jalsa of Jamaat-e-Islami?
04:03Is this done at the Jalsa of Jamaat-e-Ulema-e-Islam?
04:06Is this done at the Jalsa of PMLN or People's Party?
04:09Why is so much love and affection expressed only with us?
04:14So, this level playing field is a prerequisite of this,
04:17that if we want to engage,
04:19then first of all, we should get our legal and legal rights.
04:23If we want to protest, if we want to do a peaceful protest,
04:26then we should get permission for that.
04:28The cities should not be locked down.
04:30Our people who are in jail, innocent, should be released,
04:34they should be released.
04:36The treatment that is being given to Mr. Khan in jail,
04:41it should reach its end, it should be ended.
04:44All the fake and frivolous cases against him should be ended.
04:51There are many, I have a long list of…
04:53Sir, tell us, in response to that,
04:55they say, in response to that,
04:57that no other party has made statements to this extent,
05:00that they have made statements, but not to this extent.
05:02No other party's people have made statements in front of the military,
05:07they have not been burned,
05:08in which, of course, you are saying that we have not burned them.
05:09So, let's not get into that debate.
05:11But, of course, even if the workers reach there,
05:12they say that no other party has reached there.
05:14Let's leave this aside as well.
05:15Now, think, has this ever happened before,
05:17that when Bilawar Bhutto Zardari Sahib was coming to your government in March,
05:20did he ever say that Sindhi is coming?
05:23And if the bullets are fired, then Sindhi will do this.
05:26Or, MQM says that a migrant is coming, and then this will happen.
05:29Or, when the issue of salt was going on,
05:31the issue of salt was with the Punjabis.
05:32Now, there is a continuous voice.
05:34Yesterday, our respected Sheikh Waqas Sahib said,
05:37first of all, he started talking to Ali Bin Nandapur Sahib,
05:40that, look, if you fire one bullet, then we will fire ten.
05:42And yesterday, Sheikh Waqas Sahib, in his explanation, said,
05:44that, look, weapons are the jewellery of the Pathans.
05:46So, the Pathans will not send their children to die.
05:49So, you will have to see the culture of the Pathans as well.
05:51So, when the bullets are fired, then…
05:53it has a culture as well.
05:54Now, this Pathan, this narrative…
05:57Has any political party ever done this to the mainstream of Pakistan?
06:02Look, there are two or three things that they do.
06:04One is that, when Benazir Bhutto Sahib was killed,
06:08do you know what happened at that time?
06:11Yes, yes.
06:11You must remember.
06:12There was a lot of burning.
06:13There was a lot of burning.
06:14Thousands of cars were burnt.
06:16I am saying that, was it said at that time that…
06:17I am saying that, when…
06:19Yes, yes, you say.
06:22But, what has been happening with us for the past two and a half years,
06:26unfortunately, the media is also not in a position to reveal it.
06:29You know that there are a lot of restrictions imposed on them.
06:35But, whatever has happened,
06:37should it have happened in a democratic society?
06:40No, it should not have happened at all.
06:41But, does anyone dare to say that it should have happened?
06:43Third thing.
06:44Benazir Sahiba, on that…
06:45The third thing is…
06:46Now, there is a slogan of Pakistan Khappa in front of the Chief Minister.
06:49Here, the CM is saying that he will shoot.
06:50No, look, look.
06:52Understand his background.
06:53Why has he reached the stage where he has to give such a statement?
06:57Because, you can see that whenever we try to hold a meeting,
07:01whether it is on 8th September, or after that it is in Lahore,
07:05or before that it is in Pindi,
07:07what is done to us in that?
07:10In what way are we pushed against the wall?
07:13And, we are pushing it.
07:14Like, their objective is that we should be elected on the same wall.
07:18So, has this kind of behaviour ever been done with any other political party in the history of Pakistan?
07:24In Pakistan…
07:24I will look at it this way.
07:26I am saying that the injustice that has been done to you in Pakistan has not been done to anyone else.
07:31But, in Pakistan, Bhutto has been hanged.
07:33And, you yourself, Benazir Sahiba…
07:34You spoke, that is why I am saying.
07:35Benazir Sahiba comes to Pakistan on 18th October.
07:38And, she writes and says that if something happens to me,
07:41then this CM, Parvez Ilahi,
07:43this IB, Ejaz Shah,
07:45they will be responsible.
07:45And, then something happens to them.
07:47Still, no one goes to that IB's house.
07:50Still, no one goes to Parvez Ilahi's house.
07:51Still, no one says that a Punjabi has killed a Sindhi.
07:54Still, Pakistan gets the slogan of Khappa.
07:56Because, you have given the reference of the incident.
07:57When Imran Khan Sahib was assassinated, my brother,
08:01has he been able to file an FIR?
08:04No, he has not been able to do it.
08:05Have the people whom he had expressed his suspicions on,
08:08have their names been registered in the FIR?
08:10No, they have not been registered.
08:11Look, we should not draw these parallels.
08:13What I mean to say is, look,
08:15the slogan of Pathan, Sindhi, Punjabi, Baluchi should not be put in the country.
08:19I totally agree with him.
08:21But, we will have to solve his suspicions as well.
08:26We will have to go to him as well.
08:28And, we will have to see why a political party is being targeted by the state.
08:34And, why is the intensity increasing?
08:36Why is it not being reduced?
08:38This is a very big question.
08:39We will have to answer it.