" Molana Arhay Hain??" Aniqa Nisar Ke Sawal Par Murtaza Wahab Ne Kya Kaha?? Ahem Guftagu

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00:00Now we will come to the important issues and cheap justice, but one thing is very surprising for me Mr. Murtaz Abab.

00:05You just said that you have not seen the Musawwida. Now it is not being called Musawwida.

00:09By the way, yesterday Mr. Rana Sanawala has given it the name of working paper in our program.

00:13Because it was not an official thing which was approved by the cabinet, so it was called working paper.

00:17Now you also did not see the working paper.

00:20Then Maulana Ghafoor Haidari who came and spoke to the press outside also said that we also did not see the working paper.

00:26But the interesting thing is that this was the news of ARY News and this news is correct.

00:31That the working paper which was also called as raw draft by Bilawal Bhutto Zardari

00:36was also with Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and also with Maulana Ghafoor Haidari.

00:40So why did the leadership not share the working paper with those people who were involved in the meetings and discussions?

00:52I am requesting you that in the discussions you were engaging on the point of view.

00:59The working paper is approved by the cabinet and after that it had to be included in the parliamentary committee.

01:05Then it would have become Musawwida.

01:07To the best of my knowledge, listen to me.

01:11To the best of my knowledge, the perspective of the Wafaaqi government that it was not approved by the cabinet.

01:16To the best of my knowledge, it was not approved.

01:19In the parliamentary committee, there was a discussion on broad based ideas.

01:23In which there was a discussion about the constitutional court.

01:26And the different political leaders stated their perspectives.

01:30And when Bilawal Sahab met Maulana Fazlur Rahman and when he met the Prime Minister,

01:37both the times he conveyed his point of view that yes, there should be a constitutional court in this country.

01:44How will the constitutional court be constituted?

01:47What will be its principles?

01:49It is necessary to deliberate and agree with the consensus.

01:54But conceptually, the People's Party agrees that yes, there should be a constitutional court in this country.

02:00Sir, where did you have to keep it, Mr. Murtaza Wahab?

02:03Because till that night, till the night of Sunday, we were expecting that Musawwida has just been passed.

02:09The constitutional amendment has just come and things are going to be streamlined.

02:12The government's burden has become heavy.

02:14The burden of its allies has become heavy.

02:16Where is the problem?

02:19See, again, what you were expecting, all these conspiracies were going on.

02:24But naturally, to do anything like this, two prerequisites were necessary.

02:29One prerequisite was that the government's...

02:32I am sorry, I am cutting you short, Mr. Murtaza.

02:33I am sorry, I am cutting you short.

02:34We were not expecting that.

02:36Actually, that expectation was increased when the meeting continued on Saturday and Sunday.

02:40And all the senators were made to sit.

02:43And then they were sent to the lodges.

02:46And then they were told that they will be called.

02:48So, this expectation was increased by the government and the allies.

02:54Well, there is a difference between increasing expectations and reality.

02:58I am requesting you that the basic principle of legislation,

03:03according to that principle, if the government moves a bill,

03:06then it has to be approved by its cabinet.

03:09And the second thing is that if something is started from the parliament,

03:13for example, the speaker has formed a committee to strengthen the parliament for the reformation of the constitution.

03:21Or it has to come through that committee.

03:24These two prerequisites were not fulfilled.

03:27Nothing could be finalized in that way.

03:31So, I think that perhaps that consensus could not be built,

03:35because of which these things could not be formalized.

03:38Now the meeting has been extended.

03:41The government has time, its allies have time,

03:44the opposition parties also have time to sit together

03:48and propose a solution to the people of Pakistan

03:53in which there is respect for the institutions,

03:56and at the same time, you can solve the issues of justice for the people.

04:03Please tell us that Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has said,

04:06I have no doubt that the next Chief Justice will be Mansoor Ali Shah.

04:12This doubt was arising due to this constitutional amendment.

04:16Should we say that this constitutional amendment will take place after the arrival of a new Chief Justice?

04:24No, I will explain it to you.

04:27What Bilawal has said is absolutely correct.

04:31Because according to the current law,

04:36the senior most judge of the Supreme Court becomes the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

04:42So, after the retirement of Qazi Faidiza,

04:45Justice Mansoor Ali Shah is the senior most judge.

04:49And according to the law, it is his right to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

04:53So, we are saying that in the constitutional amendment of Mr. Bhutto Zardari,

04:56the panel of five judges will be selected by the Prime Minister.

05:00That part is over.

05:03I have told you that such a thing has not been finalized yet.

05:08But this seems to imply that if Mansoor Ali Shah is coming,

05:13and at this time, according to the law and the constitution,

05:16the senior most judge will be the Chief Justice,

05:18then it means that if the constitutional amendment comes before that time,

05:22then that matter will not take place.

05:24That is, the matter of the panel of five judges will not take place.

05:28Or it may be that the constitutional amendment will take place after the arrival of Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah.

05:33Let me make it easy for you.

05:36If the constitutional amendment comes from the let and becomes the constitutional court,

05:40then you never know.

05:41Who knows, Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah may be his Chief Justice.

05:43There is no guarantee that who will become the Chief Justice.

05:46It is written in it.

05:48It is written somewhere that who will become the Chief Justice.

05:51You are saying that Mansoor Ali Shah can be the judge of the new constitutional court.

05:58Absolutely.

06:01The criteria that is being quoted everywhere is that

06:06either he can be a judge of the present Supreme Court,

06:11or a judge of the retired Supreme Court,

06:14or a judge of the High Court,

06:17or a practicing lawyer.

06:20So, I think that Mansoor Ali Shah meets all the criteria.

06:23Let's extrapolate this scenario.

06:27If you are saying that Mansoor Ali Shah,

06:29because I have no doubt that Mansoor Ali Shah will be the next Chief Justice of Pakistan.

06:35But you are saying that Mansoor Ali Shah can be the Chief Justice of the constitutional court.

06:39Then who will become the Chief Justice in the Supreme Court?

06:41Mr. Murtaza Wahab.

06:43Again, there will be senior judge after him.

06:47Neither I nor you can change the procedure in the constitution.

06:51We have to follow what is stated in the constitution.

06:54The constitution says that this will be the procedure.

06:57The constitution says that this will be the procedure to amend the constitution.

07:01The constitution says that the affairs of the state,

07:04will be exercised by the people of Pakistan through their chosen representatives.

07:09Neither Murtaza Wahab can do it,

07:11nor Anika can do it,

07:12nor anyone who walks on the road can do it.

07:14The decision has to be taken by the people of Pakistan.

07:19Tell me Mr. Murtaza Wahab, is Maulana Wahab coming?

07:25Maulana Wahab is not coming.

07:27Again, I am not a translator of the JUI.

07:30No, this is an easy way.

07:32Mr. Murtaza Wahab.

07:33This is Mr. Zardari's departure.

07:36This is an easy way that I am not a translator.

07:39But Mr. Zardari's departure is a certain stake of the People's Party.

07:42It cannot be completely brushed aside.

07:46If you had given me a chance to answer,

07:49then I would have commented on this.

07:51I said that naturally I am not a translator of the JUI,

07:55so I cannot speak on their behalf.

07:57I can tell you my assessment,

07:59because I was present in the two engagements with Maulana Wahab,

08:02of Bilawal Putto and Mr. Zardari.

08:05Maulana Wahab is fundamentally in favour of the establishment of a constitutional court.

08:09He has no objection to the establishment of a constitutional court.

08:13And he and Mr. Bilawal, to this extent, are on the same page.

08:18And perhaps the federal government is also on the same page.

08:21Now, what will be the parameters of that constitutional court?

08:26I think it needs to be deliberated and chalked out.

08:30As soon as a consensus is built,

08:32I think Mr. Maulana can come to it.

08:35In principle, he has not opposed it.

" Molana Arhay Hain??" Aniqa Nisar Ke Sawal Par Murtaza Wahab Ne Kya Kaha?? Ahem Guftagu

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