Using 'Eye Pattern Movement' In Conversational Hypnosis

Scott Jansen - Conversational Hypnosis & Business

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00:00During our last ACH training, I had a student ask about, well, if a client goes into hypnosis,

00:05or they're exploring the questions that you're asking through the hypnotic interview,

00:09if they look a certain way, are they looking for a memory? Are they trying to hear something? Are

00:13they trying to remember something? And this is that whole eye pattern thing that NLP is pretty

00:18famous for. And again, I'm not NLP trained because I didn't see the need for it. I still don't see

00:22the need for it now. It's the whole thing of when I ask a client a question, or when they're in

00:26trance, whatever it is, if I ask them a question, where are they searching? Are they looking, like

00:30I said, for a memory? If they look over to the left, is it past memory? Is it future? Whatever

00:33it is, I'm not the best at explaining, but hopefully you guys know what I'm talking about.

00:37And do I recommend learning how to do that in order to get better with the unconscious moments

00:42in ACH? Absolutely not. This was my answer. I don't care whether a client looks left,

00:48right, up, down. They're searching for a memory. They're trying to look for something. They're

00:52trying to hear something. They're following eye patterns. I don't care about any of that stuff.

00:56Why? Because in the long term, all I'm looking for are unconscious moments. I don't care how

01:02my client finds those unconscious moments. I don't care whether they're looking left, right, up, or

01:06down. Does not matter. What I'm looking for and what I'm trying to hear is what is conscious

01:10information and what is unconscious information. If a client responds to my question and they look

01:17left and they look right, they look up and they look down, I could start to assume that maybe

01:22they're looking for a certain memory at a certain age. They're trying to hear something. They're

01:25trying to smell something, trying to remember something, whatever it is. But while I'm doing

01:28that and focusing so much on the eye pattern movement, I'm missing out on what they're

01:33actually saying. And we all know, or most of you should know, that unconscious information

01:38in a sentence of let's say 10 words might be only one word. And nine words in that sentence

01:43might be what we call conscious information. And we all know we can ignore the conscious

01:48information and pay real close attention to the unconscious information. If I'm too busy looking

01:52at body language, I'm too busy trying to get a connection of rapport, I'm too busy trying to do

01:57all the other things, I'm not going to be listening to what my client tells me. So all in all, I don't

02:02care how my client finds the answer. I don't care how my client finds the information. I don't care

02:07whether they're looking for a memory or not. I don't care about any of that stuff. What I'm listening

02:10for is what is unconscious information. When you're too busy trying to do other things other than

02:16finding the difference between conscious information, unconscious information, knowing where

02:19to follow that unconscious moment, the way we teach our ACH program, you missed the point. So again,

02:23I'm not NLP qualified. I don't see the reason for it. Everyone always says I should do NLP, I should

02:28be adding this to the curriculum, all that sort of stuff. My answer is always why. It's not teaching

02:33me anything that I don't already know or deem worthy of using when it comes to clients. I like

02:38to keep things really, really simple. Unconscious moments and unconscious information versus

02:43conscious information tell me way more than eye pattern. Tell me way more than body language. Tell

02:49me way more than the visualization my clients having or the regression that they're having.

02:54That's why I don't use any of that stuff. When we say conversation hypnosis, I really mean it. Now,

02:58it's not a way to use language patterns to put people into trance. It's not a way to input

03:03suggestions into a sentence. Why? Because that's all trying to force something that doesn't really

03:08exist. We have an open dialogue with our clients. We use what questions, who questions, how questions,

03:13all that sort of stuff, real basic questions. It's not the question that's important. It's the

03:17response I'm getting. It's your ability as a therapist, once you've been trained how to do that,

03:22to understand, okay, out of that sentence that I'm sure you guys have all had it. You ask a client a

03:27question, they just go on and on and on and on, not like how I'm doing right now. You get my point.

03:32I've got to find out out of that big sentence, all that fluff they've given me, is any of it

03:36conscious or is it unconscious? What is conscious? I can ignore because that's a lie. That's a

03:40conclusion. We all know a conclusion is like, I can't quit smoking because, or I am a smoker and

03:46I'll always be one. These are conclusions. Even when your client sits down and says, I have anxiety,

03:50that's their conclusion. We've got to find out what is the real thing. What I'm listening for is

03:55what is unconscious information? Then my job is once I find that in that sentence or in that

04:00big blurb of fluff, I need to focus attention on that. What we're really doing is we're taking

04:05the attention, which is a big part of traditional hypnosis and putting attention on certain things,

04:10and I'm putting the attention on the words my clients are saying. I'm not trying to force these

04:14moments. I'm not trying to force trance. I'm not trying to force unconscious moments. I'm not even

04:19trying to force the root cause to come out. I'm not trying to force anything, even relaxation. Why?

04:24Because there's a big difference in the level of or the quality of information that comes out.

04:29When I'm trying to, excuse me, when I'm trying to force the right information to come out of

04:34my client because I've got a technique just waiting for them, I'm now forcing the unconscious

04:38mind to do what it doesn't want to do, which is reveal information. Remember, the unconscious mind

04:43is extremely stubborn. If you're trying to force it, of course, it's going to back away. It's just

04:47going to lie to you, basically, to get it off its back. We're doing almost like a Freudian slip.

04:52The unconscious mind relaxes itself enough where it reveals information. You hear it as the therapist,

04:58and it's like the unconscious mind says, damn it, I shouldn't have said that. We've all had

05:00that sort of conversation before. That's what we're going for here. The unconscious moments,

05:05the unconscious information really being the same thing, gets lost in verbal fluff, gets lost in

05:10consciousness. We should all realize that when we're talking, we're a mixture of conscious

05:15and unconscious information. All this information I'm talking about right now is in my head

05:20somewhere, but I don't have to recall it or use it until I really need it or have to recall it.

05:25That's why I'm able to talk about this stuff. All in all, this is a very long-winded way.

05:30Hopefully, that was informative. A long-winded way to say, I don't care how my client finds

05:34the information. I don't care what they look left or right. I'm not following iPads. I'm not

05:38following body language. I'm not looking for subtle shifts in the skin and all that sort of stuff.

05:43Why? Because now I'm too focused on looking for something. I'd rather hear the information again.

05:48That's why not only my sessions were so quick, but also our student sessions are so quick.

05:53I can guarantee it's why they're not having to do multiple sessions. They're not having to repeat

05:57the same thing. They're not having the audios and all this sort of stuff because they're fixing the

06:00real unconscious truth or the real unconscious payoff. Guys, focus on what's important.

06:07All this other fancy stuff that people add to hypnosis, I think it's almost like an ego

06:12show-off, the rapport thing, the looking for iPads, all that sort of stuff. I'm sure it has resemblance.

06:17It looks okay on paper. When it comes to real-world application, you're focusing your

06:21attention, which is going to be quite limited on all the things that don't matter. Start listening

06:25for unconscious information. Start listening for conscious information. Then learn how to decipher

06:30what is what, ignore most of it, and also start to follow the tale of that unconscious moment or

06:36the unconscious information. That's all it is. iPads, eye stuff, all that things, guys,

06:40wouldn't bother with it. Big waste of time. Hopefully, that was informative. Bye for now.

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