00:00These days I am listening to UG Krishnamurthy. So UG Krishnamurthy in his videos he is saying
00:11all spiritual teachers are conmen. And with such audacity, sureness and confidence in
00:17his face he is saying all this. So my confidence also shatters. My beliefs, my understanding.
00:26I also start questioning on my beliefs whether I am understanding things right or wrong.
00:33Whether I am following right things or not. So all these things, what should I do regarding
00:39these. So please say something about UG Krishnamurthy also and his liberation, what he calls it
00:47as a calamity. Why sometimes he sounds so different from any other spiritual teachers.
00:54I am very much confused.
00:56You talked about UG Krishnamurthy and you said that he declared with great assertiveness
01:03and confidence that all spiritual teachers are fake. He was not the first to do that.
01:13There have been many many others before him. In fact, Jiddu Krishnamurthy who mentored
01:21him for some time was saying much the same thing, though in much less abrasive terms.
01:35So I think I will give him the benefit of doubt. I will take his statement in good faith.
01:53He has made a sweeping generalization, but that generalization is not far away from reality.
02:02So what he is saying, I think if you go to the spirit of it, it has to be accepted.
02:13I too say the same thing and I endorse what he is saying that in general spirituality
02:22is the favorite ground of fraudulence.
02:31Any other place, even if you want to cheat people, you have to make some efforts.
02:37You have to know something.
02:39You at least have to be a master at the art of theft or robbery or whatever.
02:51In reality you just have to yak yak and the masses are all just too gullible.
03:05It's not bad to say something or to try to uplift the other by teaching, but then this
03:16other must have the sense to engage in a conversation.
03:27Don't you want to understand what the other is saying?
03:31If you want to understand what the other is saying, why don't you bring some depth to
03:35the conversation?
03:36Why don't you ask him questions?
03:41But instead of questions what you have is discourses.
03:46In fact, I face this peculiar problem.
03:52People who come to me and have been with teachers before and are used to sitting in sermons
04:02and discourses, they just don't want to talk, they just want to listen.
04:11When I started speaking publicly, I faced this problem.
04:22They would say, you come and speak.
04:25I would say, I have nothing to speak, I can only converse.
04:32I can't talk at you, I can talk with you, let's chat.
04:37They say, but spiritual teachers don't chat, they sermonize.
04:43I said, I have no sermons.
04:46In fact, there is very little that I have by way of a message or something.
04:53If you have a question to ask, I can answer it.
04:55If you have a topic to raise, we can talk and it would be an awkward situation many
05:05a times.
05:07I would be there on the podium waiting for the audience to raise a question and in front
05:11of me would be hundreds and not one person would be willing to say anything and then
05:21I would implore them again and again, please sir, please say something, please say something
05:25and then one fellow in a feeble voice would mutter something and that would anyway give
05:32me some stuff to speak on and I'll say, and having said something heartfully, now I'll
05:39wait for the audience to reciprocate and the audience would be mum again and that comes
05:49from years of being dumbed down.
05:58Your parents don't want you to speak, your teachers don't want you to speak and religious
06:03preachers obviously they are very afraid if you speak up.
06:08So you don't ask even the most basic logical sensible questions and you keep accepting
06:18even the most amusing kind of trash as if it's the world of the gods.
06:34In fact that's the reason why I prefer the company of students rather than so-called
06:42mature people, mature people are so deeply steeped in beliefs that they can't engage,
06:55they can follow you or they can walk away from you but they cannot really engage.
07:05If you say something that violates their beliefs, they'll walk away.
07:16If you say something that reinforces their beliefs, they'll follow you but at no point
07:25is there an effort to really explore, to want to know that youth, that vitality, that
07:35love is missing and that's the reason why spirituality has such a bad name today.
07:43They ask about me, the path that you are showing me, I'm working on it, I'm trying, I'm questioning,
07:52I'm trying to understand everything but when these things happen I get deviated.
08:04So from last 2-3 days I'm deviated from my path as what I understand.
08:09So whenever I get deviated from the path of understanding and spirituality, what you are
08:19showing me, I suffer and I'm suffering from 2-3 days a lot.
08:25You see being, Asmit, I got it, I got it, and I'm keen to get into what you're saying.
08:33You see, it's better to be doubtful than to be falsely assured, no?
08:41Is it not?
08:45What do you want, false assurance, false confidence?
08:50And there are so many people who carry that, very, very deep and false confidence.
08:59You look at their self-assuredness and you'll be impressed, you'll say, wow, this man knows
09:06so much, this kind of a confidence can come only from deep knowledge or deep understanding.
09:14No, confidence is a mask you can wear even without having any knowledge or understanding.
09:24It's far better to be doubtful.
09:27You said when you grow doubtful, then you cannot walk speedily on your path, which path?
09:38If that path is indeed important to you, don't you want to be sure that it's the right path
09:43towards the right destination?
09:45Which path?
09:47Which path?
09:49If your journey is important to you, how is it not alright to question your path a million
09:57times?
09:58If the path is right, then every successive round of questioning will only deepen your
10:09trust in your path, no?
10:13Why are you afraid of investigating the path you are treading?
10:21Investigate.
10:23And if you are saying that you grow doubtful of me, I welcome that.
10:29In fact, doubt is not a bad position to start from.
10:34You see, if you are doubtful of me, you will be forced to inquire deeper into what I am
10:40saying.
10:42If what I am saying is real and useful, then this doubt will result in you understanding
10:53me better and developing a little more trust.
11:00And if what you are doubting indeed proves to be false, then good riddance.
11:08You have been saved.
11:10You doubted me and I proved to be a fraudster.
11:15Isn't that some relief for you?
11:18So it's not at all a problem to doubt.
11:20I do not know who taught you the virtues of easy and cheap faith.
11:28Faith is very, very expensive and faith must be very final.
11:38Only when you have traveled a great distance in your journey must you develop unconditional
11:48faith.
11:52Before that, remain doubtful, even skeptical.
11:56Are you getting it?
12:00So forget about this being a thing of problem, it is indeed a welcome state for a young man
12:09to be doubtful.
12:12Do you know how long did Vivekananda remain doubtful of Ramakrishna Paramhansa?
12:23For pretty long and it's alright.
12:29Because he remained doubtful, because he was a man of integrity, because he would not compromise
12:33with the false, that's the reason why ultimately he could get a true teacher.
12:43Otherwise teachers come a dozen a time.
12:47I'm sure even in the times of Ramakrishna, that area Calcutta and Dakshineshwar was infested
12:58with all kinds of fraud, Babas and the like.
13:07We have never had a shortage of them, be it today or any other century in time.
13:17Vivekananda didn't fall prey to them, why?
13:22Because he was not going to accept anything easily.
13:26When you don't accept anything easily, then what you accept means something to you.
13:34Whereas if you are someone who just accepts anything, then your acceptance has no richness,
13:47no meaning, no significance.
13:52Today you can accept this, tomorrow you can accept the opposite of this, a rolling stone
13:57gains no mass and most people are like this, shallow fluctuating beliefs, not having any
14:09real center.
14:13Remember that you cannot have faith without doubt, faith that came to you without being
14:24initiated by doubt is just flimsy trust, not faith at all.
14:35Let doubt be the interlocutor, let doubt introduce faith to you, won't that be great?
14:45You are there, faith is there and doubt is the introducer, doubt says on my own credibility
14:58here I take the pleasure of introducing faith to you.
15:08Now that's some statement, faith being brought to you by doubt, so even if I say yes, you
15:24are not supposed to obediently say yes sir, it's my part to say yes and my yes comes with
15:33a question mark, I am not asking you to follow me, I am asking you to answer me, that much
15:38is alright, no?
15:47Yes sir, these things happen, it has happened before also, but it will keep happening, I
15:54have corrected it also, I will keep on doing it.
15:57No, no, how have you corrected it, what do you mean by corrected it, in the name of correcting
16:02it, don't kill your doubt.
16:05No, I am not killing, I am saying that such doubts have come before also, so I have figured
16:14out what exactly is happening here, what is happening in this situation, so after understanding
16:19it, I move ahead from it, but the second time also that thought comes to bother me, but
16:24the intensity of it reduces, so right now I was going through it, so I thought I will
16:29ask the same question.
16:33When doubt comes to you, it's a great opportunity, use it, don't suppress it, don't think of
16:44yourself as mischievous or disloyal or infidel, if doubts regarding even the most commonly
16:56accepted things come to you, doubt the entire world, doubt the Gods, and most importantly
17:05doubt yourself.
17:07Yes sir, can I ask one more thing?
17:13I am here for you.
17:18In one of his videos, he is saying that perception of eyes are not actually three-dimensional.
17:26So, what is it?
17:29I have not heard this from any teacher.
17:32U.G. Krishnamurthy, neither J. Krishnamurthy nor Osho say this, so sometimes it feels like
17:40there is something else that he has to say.
17:46See, I'll have to go into that exact excerpt you are coming from, but it's obvious, no?
17:53It's not that I, it's not the eyes that see, the mind sees.
18:00You are saying the knowledge says that it is three-dimensional, otherwise eyes don't
18:06see that it is a three-dimensional world.
18:10That's alright, you see, even if you don't have knowledge that it's a three-dimensional
18:14world, the fact that you live, eat, walk in a three-dimensional spatial reality will remain.
18:26Animals don't have knowledge regarding the dimensions of space, x, y, z axis, they do
18:32not know, and still their entire movement is in the three dimensions and the fourth
18:40dimension of time.
18:42So, that's a bit regarding naming.
18:47You know, you must listen to the right teachers with some empathy, because they often speak
19:01from a state of meditative depth.
19:06So, sometimes the words might be a bit incoherent or what they might be saying might be opposed
19:18to what they have previously said.
19:21These things are there, and when these things arise, then you are supposed to apply your own mind.
19:30Those words are always contextual, what is being said might be applicable only in one
19:39particular context.
19:41So, do not get fixated on that.
19:48Read on, move ahead, and as you read on and as you read diversely, the meanings of what
19:56you are reading will get progressively clearer.
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