00:00I think I wanted to give my resignation letter before him, when his constituents, Mazahir Ali Akbar Naqvi and Ejaz-ul-Ahsan came.
00:08The system had become so rigid.
00:11The way our High Court was being run.
00:15My children would sometimes sit in the living room and ask me, Baba, what is this?
00:19You couldn't justify it.
00:21The judge of Sargodha said that my family is being sent questionnaires about me.
00:27I was listening to the case of sugar.
00:30One of the tycoons of sugar mills.
00:34He called my mother.
00:37He called my younger brother.
00:39Our social fabric of this nation has become so bad that nobody believes in merit.
00:47I think the six judges who have written this letter,
00:51today they will be well off.
00:53They will have cases and their practice will continue.
00:56When we bring such people who are afraid of jobs.
01:00They are sitting on the main post.
01:02And they don't speak the truth because their job will be lost.
01:05You are saying that the judges of Islamabad High Court,
01:07because they don't want jobs, they are strong people.
01:09And we want such judges.
01:12We don't want mental slaves.
01:14The establishment has interacted with me twice.
01:17Both of them indirectly.
01:19I got a message that there is a Colonel from Chidiyaghar.
01:23He wants to meet you.
01:26I said that I will meet him after the Judicial Council.
01:29I can't meet him now.
01:31There was a case of cantonment elections.
01:33I heard that.
01:35I gave a few remarks.
01:37A car was parked behind me.
01:39It was on TV and headlines.
01:44I came to know at that time.
01:46He came with my window.
01:49He put a bonnet and honked loudly.
01:52I saw the driver.
01:54I thought maybe he has done a wrong overtake.
01:57Some guy is doing this.
01:59The driver said that this car is parked very far behind us.
02:03I told him to park the car on the side.
02:05When I parked the car on the side, the car ran away.
02:07I called the police motorway.
02:10I told them to arrest him.
02:12I came to know that he has gone to Peshawar.
02:14I called the RPO.
02:16I told him that I want him arrested.
02:19Bring him in front of me on Monday.
02:21He brought a new story on Monday.
02:23It was a car belonging to ISCO.
02:25The driver of ISCO's car, his child was sick.
02:29He was going to the hospital.
02:31That's why he was driving rashly.
02:32I still have this information.
02:34Is this applicable in the High Courts?
02:36I am sorry to say that this word is used politically.
02:41Have you seen that the judges are made on the bench?
02:46It is unfortunate.
02:49We have seen this a lot from the Supreme Court.
02:51We have seen this in the past.
02:54I think it is okay now.
02:56You know who is on which side.
02:58They have to give this decision and that decision.
03:00When the judges are made on the bench,
03:02we know whether it is 3-2, 2-1 or 4-1.
03:05Largely, we know.
03:07Many judges are not known.
03:08It has been unfortunate for the past few years
03:12that our benches have become predictable.
03:14This is very unfortunate.
03:16But when it comes to bench fixing,
03:20let's hypothecate.
03:23Let's hypothecate that if a Chief Justice is managed,
03:28how will he operate?
03:30It is not necessary to have all the judges together.
03:35He needs 3-4 judges.
03:37To make a 5-member bench.
03:40If 2-3 of the 5-member benches are dominating,
03:44he can get desired.
03:46This is the loophole.
03:47I am not saying that someone has done this Chief Justice.
03:50I am telling you that this is the potential in the system.
03:54If a Chief Justice is managed,
03:57he will make 3-4 judges of his choice.
04:01He will put it in front of them and get the desired result.
04:04If on the bench,
04:07I had said on that day,
04:10that you are seniority wise,
04:13first 5 judges of your High Court or 7 judges,
04:18where there is a question of Constitutional Interpretation,
04:21you file a case against them.
04:23If anyone of them recuses,
04:24the next man will replace him.
04:26The one who has reached the 7th position,
04:30we should not question his competence.
04:33There should be a common prudence,
04:35be it Constitutional or any other,
04:36besides the specialities.
04:38That is there.
04:39So that everyone knows that
04:41when this case is filed,
04:43they will file a case against him.
04:45Now our problem is that,
04:47there we can hit the stick.
04:51You talked about the judges of Islamabad High Court.
04:53You said that they need a job.
04:54Do these judges exist in Lahore High Court?
04:58Look, as he has said,
05:00the first thing I wanted to say,
05:03for these 6 judges,
05:05the letter they have written,
05:08they have not written a letter,
05:10that you call them and inquire,
05:13and file an FIR against them.
05:15This is not the letter.
05:16This letter is to the Supreme Judicial Council.
05:20Institutional response.
05:21Institutional response.
05:22They have sought institutional guidance.
05:25They said that these are the incidents,
05:27we have already approached the Chief Justice,
05:29these judges.
05:31And before that incident,
05:33the Supreme Judicial Council
05:35gave the case to Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui.
05:40Now what was the case of Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui?
05:42That in his drawing room,
05:45he came twice,
05:47and they came and pressurized him.
05:50And to repel that pressure,
05:55he went to the bar room and gave a speech.
05:58At that time, the Supreme Judicial Council said,
06:03this is unbecoming of a judge of a high court.
06:06So they sacked him.
06:09They said that technically,
06:11they were not given a full chance.
06:12They dismissed him.
06:13Now the question is that
06:14a judge of a high court is sitting,
06:16and he comes in such a situation.
06:18How would he respond?
06:20Because the code of conduct
06:22has to be made by the Supreme Judicial Council.
06:25The Supreme Judicial Council should tell him
06:27that you can respond to this extent,
06:29you can send the matter to the Supreme Court
06:33or to the Supreme Judicial Council.
06:35Like recently...
06:37Did you ever face such a situation?
06:39What did you do?
06:40Tell me if you ever faced such a situation.
06:42I have never faced such a direct situation.
06:44I have been asked this question before,
06:47that you have come under the pressure of the establishment.
06:50The establishment has interacted with me twice.
06:54Both of them indirectly, not directly.
06:57When I had my confirmation,
06:59I received a message that
07:00there is a person from Chidiya Ghar,
07:02a colonel.
07:03He wants to meet you.
07:05He is very happy with your report and everything.
07:08I said, if the Judicial Council is formed,
07:10then maybe I can meet him.
07:12I can't do it now.
07:13After that, they never sent me a message again.
07:16The second time I was sitting here in Pindi Bench
07:19and listening to some cases,
07:21in which all the Air Forces were respondents.
07:24One case was about the cantonment elections.
07:27I listened to that.
07:29And in that, I gave a few remarks,
07:31that the Secretary of Defence should do this,
07:33should do that.
07:34If this response doesn't come,
07:36then he will have to appear before the court.
07:38This was the background, which I understood.
07:41But a car followed me,
07:43which was on TV and headlines.
07:47I came to know at that time,
07:49that it was right next to my window.
07:52It had a bonnet.
07:54It was harming me badly.
07:56When I saw the driver,
07:57I thought maybe he has done a wrong overtake.
08:00Some guy is irritating and doing this.
08:03The driver said,
08:04this car is parked very far behind us.
08:06I told him,
08:07park the car on the side.
08:08When I parked the car on the side,
08:09the car ran away.
08:10In the meantime, a car came from behind
08:12and stopped.
08:13Some journalists were sitting there.
08:14They had made all the videos.
08:16They said,
08:17sir, this car is parked behind you from zero point.
08:19I called the police motorway,
08:24and told them to arrest him.
08:26I came to know that he has gone to Peshawar.
08:28I called the RPO.
08:30I told him,
08:31I want this guy arrested.
08:33Bring him in front of me on Monday.
08:35He brought a new story on Monday.
08:37It was a car belonging to IASCO.
08:39The driver of IASCO's car,
08:41his child was sick.
08:43He was going to the hospital.
08:45That's why he was driving rashly.
08:47This was the excuse.
08:49His statement was also recorded in the video.
08:51I asked him,
08:53this car belongs to IASCO.
08:55There must be a logbook.
08:57Tell me from the logbook,
08:58which officer did this car belong to?
08:59What was his duty?
09:00So that we know that
09:01this is really his fault.
09:03He took the wrong car.
09:05Something substantial should be there.
09:08He made a report.
09:10The logbook was lost.
09:13He gave me the report.
09:17I called the police 2-3 times.
09:21I gave the report to my institution.
09:24I told them that he was the in-charge.
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