00:30The Supreme Court, of course, will go into contempt.
00:33The Election Commissioners of Pakistan will be called into contempt.
00:36The Election Commissioners of Pakistan will say that they don't do it.
00:39Of course, they will also get angry and say that they don't do it.
00:42The problems will increase.
00:43There will be clashes.
00:45And Pakistan, which is already in such a situation,
00:47can it tolerate clashes?
00:49I'll take you to the FIJ now.
00:51They said that the growth rate is half.
00:55I've read about it.
00:57Mr. Zubair, first you and then I'll come to Mr. Muneeb.
00:59Look, first of all, if I'm not wrong,
01:04in the statement given by Muneeb,
01:06the Election Commission and the Speaker of the National Assembly also mentioned
01:09that all of them will not act on it together.
01:12So, the question is, what weapon does the Supreme Court have
01:16except for issuing contempt notices?
01:18What weapon does it have to make it act?
01:21Which means that it is a state without any governance system,
01:25without any constitution, without anything.
01:27It will become like a feudal regime,
01:29whose will is on the basis of right and might.
01:32If the Speaker of the National Assembly says that he won't implement it,
01:35then what can the Supreme Court do?
01:37The Supreme Court has no physical power to make its decisions.
01:41If we have reached here,
01:43starting from the case of Maulvi Tameezuddin,
01:46and we have reached here that the Supreme Court is completely helpless and helpless,
01:50then you tell me, is it a job for a Pakistani
01:52to go to any court and file a complaint
01:56that this is my problem and I demand justice?
01:58That is not possible.
02:00Because even if the courts decide,
02:03and if the government says that it won't act on it,
02:07then there is nothing that can happen.
02:08No one can do anything, but I agree with you.
02:11This is the worst of the worst that we have seen.
02:13This is low.
02:14This is the worst of the worst that we have seen, even by our own standards.
02:17And the 90 days election that you mentioned,
02:20again, that was also...
02:22and we think that we have successfully overcome that.
02:25But let me tell you a difference, Mr. Zubair.
02:28Before this, whenever there were interventions,
02:32whenever there was a play with the constitution,
02:36this time, the political parties are giving up.
02:39Which will be the biggest problem.
02:40If the Speaker of the National Assembly and the Chairman of the Senate
02:44are standing with the idea that because there is no action being taken,
02:48and no one wants action to be taken, and we are standing with that decision,
02:52then the politicians are equally involved in this.
02:55They won't be able to give speeches like Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Bilawal.
02:59They used to give very loud speeches like,
03:02we are the protectors of the constitution and the law,
03:04and see what is happening with the constitution,
03:05we have to give respect to the vote.
03:06Mr. Muneeb Farooq, are you with me?
03:11Muneeb, take a call.
03:13You saw Fitch, I'll come back to him, I have to go to Muneeb as well.
03:16Mr. Imran Khan, in the foreseeable future,
03:18I mean, in the near future, I can't see him coming out, Fitch is also saying this.
03:22His patient also has this, that the government will run for 18 months,
03:24and then a technocratic set-up will come.
03:25One more thing, he is saying that it will happen, but it is out of the question.
03:29There is no scope for a technocratic set-up in your constitution.
03:34So, what happened to Fitch, that he started supporting out-of-the-question things?
03:39And how did he know that Mr. Imran Khan won't come out?
03:42There are three major rating companies,
03:46which the whole world looks at, the global funds look at,
03:48everyone looks at them, looking at their assessment,
03:52whether it is investing or something else.
03:54There is Moody's, there is S&P, Standard & Poor's, and there is Fitch.
03:58Now, I think they are going beyond their limits.
04:02They are saying that this government will run for 18 months.
04:05I don't know how they have come to this conclusion.
04:07And secondly, they have also said that Imran Khan is still inside.
04:10A technocratic set-up will come, they have also said that.
04:12They can't see Imran Khan coming out, they have also said that.
04:15What kind of magic lamp do they have?
04:17They have also said that it will have a very negative effect.
04:21On a serious note, it will have a very negative effect.
04:25Obviously, when a rating company,
04:27one of the three best rating companies in the world is saying
04:31that the political atmosphere is such that there will be instability.
04:35That's what the bottom line is.
04:37If a big rating agency is pointing out political instability,
04:41and it is also saying that this government will not run for 5 years,
04:44it will run for 18 months,
04:46then who will take a position in Pakistan from an investment standpoint?
04:50So, this means that there will be no economic stability.
04:52So, everything will be in a mess.
04:55Okay. Muneeb has come with me.
04:57A very strong statement.
04:58Muneeb, they are saying that Imran Khan will be under surveillance in the near future.
05:02Fitch has said this, but we all forecast that
05:06it will be difficult for Imran Khan to come out
05:08because he is not ready to come out yet.
05:13This 18-month government, technocratic set-up,
05:17do you see this going in that direction also?
05:20Mr. Khai, again...
05:22Look, I am saying this to you today and a few days ago when I gave this news,
05:28this was not an exaggeration, this is the news that I gave.
05:31And frankly, I still consider this as news.
05:34And I said this in front of you as news.
05:38The second thing is that this is also absolutely correct.
05:40Mr. Zubair has given a correct sign that he is also fine.
05:44He is also fine. This is a correct sign.
05:47Imran Khan will not come out.
05:51Because many other cases are being told.
05:54Look, I don't want any politician to stay in jail like this
05:57and the way cases are decided, the way they have been decided,
06:00that is also a travesty of justice.
06:01But then again, we are here and the situation is in front of us.
06:05Imran Khan will not come out.
06:07New cases will also be made.
06:08Imran Khan has been linked to national security.
06:14Now we have presidents where the martyred wife was declared a security risk.
06:18Mr. Nawaz Sharif has seen a lot as a politician.
06:21But then he came back.
06:23For now, Imran Khan's return is not visible
06:26because these examples where we talk or where you talk are national security.
06:30But Mr. Muneeb, what is national security?
06:33Am I national security?
06:35Mr. Qais...
06:36I mean, I decide that I am national security and this cannot work.
06:40All the decisions in this country have been political.
06:43All the decisions you are talking about, they were all political choices.
06:47Saying that this is not a matter of national security...
06:49Mr. Qais, there is one thing.
06:52Mr. Qais, the thing is that you have been in this position for a long time.
06:58Have you been able to find a definition of national security?
07:01Sir, how will I find it?
07:02I have found the definition.
07:04I am telling you, I will tell you the definition of national security.
07:08The definition of national security in Pakistan is that
07:12a person who has to declare something personally,
07:16who has to get rid of someone, who has to throw someone out,
07:18either he is called a security risk or he is called a national security issue.
07:22And because such matters are decided by those
07:25in front of whom no one can say anything because they are obviously powerful people.
07:28So this is what has been happening for the past 76 years.
07:32When I saw that...
07:34And this should stop.
07:37It will not be that it is a matter of national security.
07:40It is not a matter of national security.
07:41If someone has a problem, they declare it as national security.
07:43Sir, that is the problem.
07:45You and I are also praying for this.
07:48I am also a Pakistani and I am saying that this should not happen.
07:52Mr. Zubair is also saying that this should not happen.
07:54Qasim Abbasi is also saying that this should not happen.
07:56But sir, the question is that you and I or Mr. Mohammad Zubair,
08:01we can want it, right?
08:02If we want to do it, it is nothing.
08:03You will do the program and I will also do it.
08:05Mr. Zubair will give 10 statements.
08:07It is not you and I who will do it.
08:09The problem is that if we cut it to the bare bones,
08:12how many wars will you fight and how many wars will I fight?
08:15At the end of the day, you will have to live here and I will have to live here.
08:18As a journalist, you have to work here and I have to work here.
08:21The simple thing is that Imran Khan is a coward.
08:23How can he...
08:24No, no, if you frame this argument like this,
08:27Muneeb, if you frame this argument like this,
08:28that look, the fight has become such that Imran Khan and...
08:34The institution cannot let Imran Khan come out.
08:37So it is understandable.
08:37Telling him that Imran Khan is a national security issue.
08:40This argument, of course, you are giving it, whoever told you.
08:44So, you know, this argument doesn't make sense.
08:46I am sorry, but this is not my argument.
08:49Sir, I think...
08:50What do you mean?
08:51Sir, this is not my argument.
08:53I cannot call a politician a security desk.
08:56This is the problem. Listen to me.
08:58If someone brings evidence to me that Imran Khan is a foreign agent,
09:01I will not believe it unless I see the evidence with my own eyes.
09:04So I will not say it.
09:05If Imran Khan is not a foreign agent,
09:07then Bhutto, Bilawal Bhutto, Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif...
09:11Can there be any other accusation?
09:13No, I don't think so.
09:15Mr. Zubair, do you want to say anything?
09:16I don't think so.
09:17He is right.
09:17He is right. A politician is a Pakistani politician.
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