00:00At this point, I would like to talk about something else.
00:03Let's say that this case goes to the Chief Justice of Pakistan
00:06after the July 12 verdict.
00:08I am sure that his opinion has also changed.
00:12But the reference case will go to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
00:15First, he has expressed his distrust towards the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
00:20What will he think now?
00:22Because the Supreme Court has to take the ultimate decision on this case.
00:30We are hopeful that justice will prevail.
00:35Actually, there is another issue bigger than the reserve seats.
00:40What is that?
00:40I have demanded that of the Chief Justice of Pakistan
00:43half a billion times in the press conference.
00:45We have reservations with him.
00:47Our lawyer, Mr. Niazullah Niazi,
00:51had informed the Chief Justice of Pakistan from the party standpoint
00:55in his court, in Court Rule No. 1,
00:57that he had expressed his distrust.
01:00But at the end of the day, he is sitting on the seat of the Chief Justice.
01:03So, he has some responsibilities.
01:05Eight to four months ago,
01:07in fact, it is going to be five months now,
01:09after the election,
01:11Mr. Hamid Khan, Mr. Imran Khan,
01:14had submitted a request to the Chief Justice of Pakistan
01:18to update the election.
01:20Look, at this time, more than half of your mandate is in jail.
01:24This is such a dangerous thing
01:26that if you hold an election
01:29and the government is in jail,
01:32and outside the camera,
01:34you know, off the record, everyone believes
01:37that this is such a historic event that you win.
01:40You win. What is this Form 47?
01:42Form 47 is to make the final result.
01:45Make it 600 out of 6.
01:47Make it 10 out of 1000.
01:49If you want to reduce it, make it 900 out of 90.
01:51This is a five-minute game. Take this and hold it.
01:54Now, tell me,
01:56what kind of government is this?
01:57Now, this is an inherent flaw, I am telling you.
02:00Those who are sitting as beneficiaries of this system,
02:03they know that the people did not vote for us.
02:07We have come from somewhere else.
02:09Why should they make such a policy
02:10to get the people out of trouble?
02:12I have seen this, my country is an enemy.
02:14I never call anyone a traitor.
02:15But I say that since you did not come from the power of the people,
02:18it does not matter to you that your policies,
02:21because you know that you have come from some different place.
02:23I want to bring you to this point.
02:27Ultimately, I have mentioned that the case will go to the Supreme Court.
02:30First, the case of trust, after the decision of July 12,
02:33the level of trust has increased.
02:34Second, the case of the appointment of ad hoc judges is also there.
02:38I was seeing that the tickets were going on.
02:41Barrister Gauhar is also trying to give some names on it.
02:44It is obvious that some names were given.
02:45Some people have apologized for it.
02:48Will the balance of the Supreme Court change on this?
02:52And is Tehreek-e-Insaf watching what is happening?
02:55I am sure that you have your eyes on this.
02:58There are two things in this.
03:00There are two things in this. I do not talk about politics.
03:03There are two things in this.
03:04Number one, timing.
03:06Suddenly, there are holidays in Muharram.
03:09Suddenly, ad hoc judges come from Pakistan.
03:11When such a thing happens, it is discussed in the Bar Council.
03:15We are lawyers. We know this.
03:16It is discussed in circles.
03:18Names are given. There is a discussion.
03:20What kind of emergency is this?
03:23The second thing is that it has been nine years.
03:30Barrister Gauhar also mentioned it.
03:32It was the last time in 2015.
03:34After that, there is no ad hoc.
03:36I am still a member of the Judges Committee.
03:40I was also a member during my government.
03:43Why can't regular judges come?
03:47We should stay away from regular judges and ad hocism.
03:49We should stay away from ad hocism.
03:52I had one more question.
03:54Ali Muhammad Khan, I wanted to know one more thing.
03:56Basically, this point is very serious.
03:58Ad hoc judges are those senior judges who have retired after a certain age.
04:05There is a reason that you retired them after a certain age.
04:11If they are Chief Justice, they will retire after a certain age.
04:17After that, you bring them back as ad hoc judges.
04:20Obviously, they are ad hoc judges for a certain period of time.
04:23After that, they work as junior judges.
04:25They are the lowest in the seniority list.
04:27Is this procedure fair?
04:32I believe in institutional building.
04:35I believe that the personalities are not greater than the institutions.
04:40Strengthen the institutions.
04:42There should be no extensions in the routine.
04:45There should be no extensions.
04:47Be it the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court or the Army Chief.
04:50If there is a war, you can change the command.
04:53It is a separate situation.
04:55But, by the grace of Allah, in every institution,
04:57whether it is bureaucracy, judiciary, armed forces or even political parties,
05:02you have new judicial authorities.
05:05When you go towards ad hocism,
05:07the line and chain that is below is disturbed.
05:10You have senior judges.
05:12You can have a meeting and bring in regular judges.
05:15Why can't we have regular judges?
05:18When there is ad hocism,
05:19when people are re-employed post-retirement,
05:22no matter how good a person is,
05:23I don't say that if a person is ad hoc, he is wrong.
05:28But, there are many exceptions.
05:30We cannot strengthen the institutions in this way.
05:33How will the institutions be strengthened?
05:35You bring in people from below the seniority-based merit.
05:39Let me tell you about your situation.
05:42Please give me half a minute on this.
05:44In the last few days,
05:45the Judges of the Parliamentary Committee have been named.
05:48Okay.
05:49Our routine and practice is that
05:53three judges come from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
05:55and sit in the Supreme Court.
05:57I think there are six judges from Punjab.
05:59There are five judges from Sindh.
06:02Sorry, there are five judges from Punjab, four judges from Sindh
06:04and two judges from Baluchistan.
06:06When they have been named by the Judicial Commission,
06:09Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has a quota of three judges.
06:14You have two judges from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
06:16and there is no third judge yet.
06:17You have given four judges from Sindh and five judges from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
06:20Instead of addressing these issues,
06:22why don't you give one judge from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
06:25He was such an important judge.
06:26You didn't elevate Justice Ibrahim.
06:29He left.
06:30These are the principles that are wasted on you.
06:32You bring in people from your sub-districts,
06:36you bring in their people, you bring in women, you bring in marriage.
06:40You support them.
06:41But, ad-hocism doesn't lead to a country
06:45nor does ad-hocism lead to an institution.
06:47It's just a matter of respect.
06:48No, no. You are right.
06:49But, I remember...
06:51Why don't you elevate them?
06:54I am sure, I agree with your thinking
06:56and I am sure that your thinking must have been the same
06:58when the extension issue came up
07:00and at that time, the father of the nation was also being declared.
07:03I am sure that you learned a lot from that incident.
07:06Mr. Khan has agreed to it.
07:09Mr. Khan has agreed to it.
07:11But, when it came to the government...
07:13I have played the game of bargaining.
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