00:00The people's party has done a good job, they didn't question our budget, they passed the budget.
00:10They left their things in this as well.
00:12They could have run Shahjeel Mehman as well, it would have been more clear.
00:16They say that even though there were elections, this was wrong, that was wrong.
00:20The thing about Murad Ali Shah, his ticket was issued a little while ago.
00:23He is also traditional, he is with the provisos.
00:25It can be seen that the PPP is on board.
00:27What do you think is the reason?
00:29He says that Tariq Ansar is not a political party.
00:31They did all that, but they didn't talk to us.
00:34I think everybody is on board, to be very honest.
00:37I don't think that Atta Tarar could have done such a big press conference.
00:42He had three meetings with Nawaz Sharif in three days.
00:45After that, Mian Javed Latif came.
00:48Mian Javed Latif is being considered as the sounding board of Nawaz Sharif.
00:52Even Mian Javed Latif doesn't do what Nawaz Sharif does.
00:56He said that everything should be done in a grand manner.
01:00So I think this decision was made.
01:02Although yesterday he said that he is not in favour of it.
01:04But you heard it today.
01:06Today they did a big press conference.
01:08So I think everybody is on board.
01:10But you said that things are going on.
01:13A new angle has been added to the conversation.
01:15That is of ad-hoc judges.
01:17Do you want to add to that?
01:19Absolutely.
01:21I got this news in front of you.
01:23We were together over the weekend.
01:25You said that four ad-hoc judges are being brought in.
01:27And they are being brought in so that the balance of the Supreme Court can be re-built.
01:32But there is one interesting thing.
01:34I was talking to two or three prominent lawyers about this.
01:37It is not that easy.
01:39Everything is doubtful because of timing.
01:41If they had brought them in eight months ago, there would have been no objection.
01:44You are all saying that there is a balance.
01:46Because the Chief Justice camp has gone into the minority.
01:49But one, Masheer Alam has refused.
01:52Three are left.
01:54Maqbool Bakir has not responded yet.
01:56It is understood that the School of Thought is shared by Faiz Issa.
02:01But having said that, after the Procedure and Practices Act,
02:05the three members of the committee,
02:07they have to make a bench.
02:09What will they do about the full court?
02:11That is what I am talking about.
02:13I was talking to Abhay Zubairi and a few other prominent lawyers.
02:16I asked them that if a full court is made,
02:18will the ad-hoc judges automatically sit on it?
02:22There are two or three articles in this,
02:24which will explain this as well.
02:26While they have all the powers of a Supreme Court judge,
02:30the judges will have to decide whether they will sit on it or not.
02:36If they are judges, then they are judges.
02:38This is my reading as well. It is a simple reading.
02:40I said that it cannot be that simple.
02:42But this is another thing.
02:43Mr. Zubairi was saying that...
02:44Mr. Raja will come and ask him.
02:46Mr. Zubairi was also saying that we are opposing this.
02:48He said that the statement will be released in some time.
02:50This is not so much of a shoo-in.
02:52This is not granted.
02:54This is not a shoo-in that you have decided.
02:56These three judges will sit on it.
02:58But it is a full court.
03:00They are all judges of the Supreme Court.
03:02This is not all non-ad-hoc judges.
03:04The question is that after the names of these three judges,
03:08people have started linking to it.
03:10This means that the decision has been made
03:12that you have to ban it.
03:14The decision has been made that you have to put up Article 6.
03:16So that this changed full court listens to it.
03:20So there will be a lot of resistance on this.
03:22The Bar Council and everyone.
03:24Like I said, this is not a shoo-in.
03:26So this issue is very important.
03:30This is a new angle.
03:32There is a new twist on this as well.
03:34But are you looking at politics in this or not?
03:36First give me a two cents.
03:38I will go to...
03:40Because of the timing, I can see politics.
03:42Timing is important.
03:44Let me tell you.
03:46We have had this conversation.
03:48We have had this conversation.
03:50And this news has happened before it came.
03:52You know, I told you about the background.
03:54The news has come.
03:56And both of us have agreed.
03:58The news has come.
04:00That there are four judges.
04:02There were the names of the judges.
04:04He will tell me that these four judges are coming.
04:06And these ad-hoc judges are being brought
04:08so that the balance can be tilted.
04:10This is the Supreme Court's own sense.
04:12The Supreme Court is understood to be one.
04:14That is why there is more element of politics.
04:18Yes, I can see it.
04:20Sir, can you see any political element in this?
04:22Look, for the past two or three days,
04:24as you know, people were saying
04:26that Qazi Faiz Isa sahib
04:28has gone into the minority.
04:30And if there is such a decision,
04:32then he will try to balance it.
04:34Not balance.
04:36He will try to tilt it.
04:38It is a number game.
04:40Now, the issue is that
04:42Qazi Faiz Isa sahib
04:44on this occasion
04:46has proposed the names of ad-hoc judges.
04:48In that, the judge
04:50whose decisions are
04:52the decision of Sardar Tariq Masood
04:54regarding the military courts.
04:56Then all the people of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
04:58have been arrested again and again.
05:00The basic reason for that is the decision
05:02of Sardar Tariq Masood
05:04in which he said that
05:06there can be no bail in unknown cases.
05:08He also gave a lot of relief
05:10to the Cypher.
05:12The other two judges were
05:14walking in that direction.
05:20But see,
05:22this extraordinary stance
05:24of Qazi Faiz Isa sahib
05:26has two things.
05:28One, where the basic human rights
05:30are discussed.
05:32His brother judges are discussed.
05:34Interference is discussed.
05:36There is an extraordinary stance
05:38of any Chief Justice
05:40to completely ignore this matter.
05:42So many people are saying
05:44that this is happening.
05:46I don't know,
05:48maybe there is nothing in front of them.
05:50Secondly, a retired judge
05:52who was the Chief Minister
05:54of that province a few days ago
05:56where there are serious allegations
05:58regarding the elections.
06:00People's Party says that
06:02there is a 50% theft.
06:04People's Party says that
06:06he didn't let us attend the Jalsa.
06:08Will that person come again
06:10to the Supreme Court
06:12and make a decision?
06:14This is a very extraordinary
06:16decision of Qazi Faiz Isa sahib.
06:18The basis of this is that
06:20there are a lot of pending cases.
06:22They have been pending for 10 years.
06:24So many cases have been pending
06:26for 10 years.
06:28If Mr. Malik had done this
06:304 months ago,
06:32and Mr. Suri had done this
06:342 years ago,
06:36you know that.
06:38The judge who wrote this note
06:40Whenever I remember,
06:42I remember.
06:44And the judge who said
06:46that Article 6 should be imposed
06:48and Mr. Arif Alvi had written
06:50an additional note.
06:52I think he has apologized.
06:54But his name has also been proposed.
06:56Imran Khan, Arif Alvi and Qasim Suri.
06:58This is a thought.
07:00This is a thought.
07:04In politics, everything is about timing.
07:06Timing makes a thing legitimate
07:08and timing makes it illegitimate.
07:10Just like
07:12Mr. Tariq's press conference
07:14and this decision.
07:16If this decision had come before
07:18the Supreme Court's decision,
07:20it would have had a different connotation.
07:22After the decision, after the reserve seat,
07:24everyone said that the seats have been removed.
07:26So this timing is bad timing.
07:28And this is becoming a sort of
07:30a feeling of desperation.
07:32I think that these 2-3 steps
07:34have made the government
07:36look weaker, not stronger.
07:38I don't think
07:40they are investing so much political capital
07:42at a time when
07:44there is a height of unpopularity,
07:46electricity bills, inflation,
07:48economic hopelessness.
07:50So I don't know
07:52why they are doing what they are doing.
07:54Especially after the decision of 8-5,
07:56suddenly there is a flurry of activity.
07:58Sir, one sentence.
08:00Fundamentally, the decision is
08:02that we have to frustrate the judiciary
08:04and not let them act on the decision.
08:06This is the issue.
08:08I was in a program.
08:10We had an argument.
08:12We had done an analysis
08:14that it will be of 8-5.
08:16They are trolling me.
08:18They knew the decision,
08:20but they didn't know.
08:22Simple.
08:24Sir, you are giving credit
08:26and you don't want to take credit.
08:28No, you are giving it for the wrong reason.
08:30The fact is that you talked about 4 judges.
08:32They also made an opinion about the judges
08:34that this was their mind.
08:36When 13 people were sitting,
08:38when you look at their past,
08:40look at the questioning line of the judges,
08:42you get to know very clearly
08:44which judge is filtering where.
08:46It is a very simple patient thing.
08:48Sir, I regularly talk to people
08:50who cover the Supreme Court.
08:52What is going on?
08:54Very few people said
08:56that you will get these seats.
08:58Everyone thinks that
09:00neither the Sunni Council
09:02nor the government can get these seats.
09:04I don't know what the decision will be.
09:06They will leave it empty.
09:08They will ask the parliament to make a law.
09:10I am here.
09:12Because of this,
09:14you have 8-5 seats.
09:16Nobody was predicting this.
09:18Sir, you are taking up
09:20a lot of space.
09:22Stop kidding with me.
09:24Don't do that.
09:26I am telling you.
09:28If I am sensible,
09:30it is not my fault.
09:32If you can't do it,
09:34I am sorry.
09:36Sir, if someone tells you,
09:38accept it.
09:40Don't blame me for your IQ.
09:42Muneeb is with me.
09:44Muneeb, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
09:46Assalam-o-Alaikum.
09:48Muneeb, we were discussing
09:50the decision.
09:52You said that
09:54the decision will not be
09:56implemented.
09:58Tell us your information.
10:02Guys,
10:04you know
10:06that the matter
10:08started yesterday.
10:10I gave you a reference
10:12in the afternoon.
10:14You know
10:16the words.
10:18The matter is
10:20a state decision.
10:22The Supreme Court
10:24has issued a big decision
10:26on justice.
10:28As clear and
10:30as I can possibly be,
10:32when you understand
10:34something,
10:36there will be no
10:38implementation
10:40in my work.
10:42The question is
10:44whether
10:46it will lead to
10:48contempt.
10:50Election Commission
10:52has to do everything.
10:54Government doesn't reflect.
10:56Election Commission is
10:58Speaker National Assembly.
11:00Judges have come out
11:02in the open.
11:04Since they have
11:06taken a position,
11:08they have gone beyond
11:10their mandate.
11:12If it's like this,
11:14it's fine.
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