Justice (retd) Shaiq Usmani's reaction to govt's decision to "ban" PTI

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00:00Thank you very much, Justice Attorney Shahid Qusbani sahib.

00:03Please tell us, the government wants to impose restrictions on PTI.

00:07How much force do they have to use?

00:10And will this process be easy for the government?

00:16Look, regarding this, Article 17 of the Constitution has been raised,

00:22along with the Election Act of 2012.

00:26So, the things that have come to light so far,

00:30the things that the Minister, Mr. Zahir, has said in his press conference,

00:36one, he said that on 9th May, he was going against the rule,

00:43he said that he wrote a letter to the IMF,

00:47then he said that he passed a resolution,

00:51through his lobbying firm.

00:53From America?

00:54Yes, from America.

00:55So, all these things that he has said,

00:58it doesn't seem like the case of the government,

01:01that they are working against the sovereignty and integrity of the country.

01:06Certainly, they have done a wrong thing,

01:08and they have done a foolish thing,

01:14but to say that they are doing it against the country,

01:17is a little difficult.

01:19Because this is a very solid proof,

01:22because the final decision will be taken by the Supreme Court.

01:25And the decision of the Supreme Court will be final.

01:28Nothing more can happen.

01:30This is something to look at.

01:32Mr. Justice, there is one more thing,

01:34we were talking about this,

01:36that this is not a decision of restriction,

01:38this is a decision of analysis.

01:40So, please tell us, what is the difference between the two?

01:43That is, in this way, a political party is trying to erase its identity.

01:47If this happens, then?

01:49Yes, this is not analysis, this is dissolution.

01:52Article 17 talks about dissolution.

01:54Article 212 also talks about dissolution.

01:56There will be a declaration,

01:58within 15 days of that, it will have to go to the Supreme Court,

02:01and the Supreme Court will make the final decision.

02:03So, now, it is difficult for all this to happen.

02:05Our history, you see,

02:07all the efforts that have been made,

02:09to end the analysis of the parties,

02:13apart from this, I think,

02:17what do you call it,

02:19Labbaik,

02:20Labbaik,

02:21and the Shepherds Movement in Sindh,

02:25apart from that, no one else has done anything.

02:27That was also a matter of 4 months,

02:29that matter was reversed in 4 months.

02:31Tell us, Mr. Justice,

02:33that they are talking about other aspects as well.

02:35That is, a lot of things can happen,

02:37like the Cypher matter, they were saying,

02:39that we will revisit it.

02:41The Anua Funding matter,

02:43it is also mentioned in Article 17.

02:45You know, it has already been decided.

02:47The ruling of Mr. Qasim,

02:49all these things are already in front of the court.

02:51And the decisions of the court,

02:53will be based on that,

02:55what the court says.

02:57But to say that,

02:59it is a direct proof,

03:01I think it is difficult.

03:03This is a different matter.

03:05What if the secret services have something good,

03:07which has not been brought to the court yet.

03:09The ruling, Mr. Justice,

03:11on the basis of which,

03:13they are talking about putting Article 6,

03:15on the ex-president Arif Arvi,

03:17Bani PTI, Qasim Suri.

03:19Did the court give any clarity in this regard,

03:21which later became follow-up cases?

03:23See,

03:25they are talking about Article 6,

03:27I think this is not right,

03:29this is completely wrong.

03:31Because this matter,

03:33is relating to the No Confidence Motion.

03:35The matter of No Confidence Motion,

03:37was resolved in the Supreme Court.

03:39No Confidence Motion was done,

03:41voting was done, everything was done,

03:43election was done, everything was done.

03:45Now to revisit it,

03:47and say that they did this at that time,

03:49when the Supreme Court has already seen it,

03:51then surely if it goes to the Supreme Court,

03:53the Supreme Court will reject it.

03:55This is a close, fast and pure transaction.

03:59Mr. Justice, there is one more thing,

04:01this matter of distrust,

04:03two years have passed.

04:05Let's say,

04:07when these things are presented in the court,

04:09then are these other aspects,

04:11kept in mind?

04:13One is the timing of the incidents,

04:15their relation with a recent decision,

04:17when the Supreme Court,

04:19the full court,

04:21has already accepted that Tehreek-e-Insaf

04:23is a parliamentary party.

04:25I am just asking,

04:27because people of Pakistan want to know,

04:29what will happen in this?

04:31One government was there before,

04:33which matters a lot.

04:35Look, this is a different matter,

04:37that the Supreme Court,

04:39in this judgment,

04:41has accepted it as a political party.

04:43That is the current situation.

04:45But if the things they are saying,

04:47they will take it and present it.

04:49As I told you,

04:51it is possible that they have such things,

04:53which are not on the table yet,

04:55like the 9th of May incident.

04:57If they have any evidence,

04:59with which they can show,

05:01that the PTI has done it on purpose,

05:03that is a different matter.

05:05Obviously, the 9th of May incident,

05:07shook everyone up.

05:09Plus, the issue of unauthorized funding,

05:11can prove to be very dangerous,

05:13Mr. Justice.

05:15Yes, of course.

05:17It is written in Article 17.

05:19Article 17, subsection 3,

05:21it is written that,

05:23the party has to account for its funding.

05:25So, definitely,

05:27this can be a problem.

05:29But, the matter is already with the court.

05:33You said, the matter is already with the court.

05:35Let us see, how the government moves forward on this.

05:37Thank you so much.

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