00:00If I may, I just asked you, how much is the budgetary cost estimate of DPWH in the core and shell?
00:12So while you're looking, we recognize Senator Nancy and she's welcome to ask questions.
00:18Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Even if I'm not a member, but I heard that you said at the beginning of the hearing that I am more than welcome to attend.
00:29Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
00:31Mr. Chair, Your Honor, the Mayowa for Phase 1 is 8.9.
00:38Okay. And then, that's 8.9, right? So 8.9.
00:44Just to be clear, 8.9 including variation orders. If you exclude the variation orders.
00:52Mr. Chairman, it's the budgetary cost estimate.
00:56Yes, including. Because when they estimated it first, there was no variation order, it was only 8.1.
01:02But the budgetary cost estimate is 8.06. But the budgetary cost estimate is 8.9.
01:12You're talking about the ABC. The winner was 8.06.
01:208.9 is the budgetary cost estimate. There's a difference to the actual amount awarded.
01:27There's a difference in the budgetary cost estimate. And there's also a difference when the variation order is included.
01:34But what I'm interested in right now is how much is the budgetary cost estimate.
01:39It's 8.9 billion for the budgetary cost estimate. The ABC is 8.5.
01:47And then, how much is the budgetary cost for the fit-out? Estimate. Budgetary cost estimate.
01:56So it's 2.5.
02:00And for the works to complete, what is the budgetary cost estimate?
02:06For the works to complete, it's 7.359 billion pesos.
02:14Do you have a calculator? Can you give me the total?
02:2018.7 billion. Is that correct?
02:25So it's correct that on your documentation, there's no such thing as 23 billion for DPWH.
02:34So I think you don't need to apologize.
02:41This is their presentation. There's 21.7 billion. If you add the land cost, it's 23 billion.
02:48This was submitted by them.
02:50But we're talking about... Do you have documentation about the land cost?
02:54Does the money of the land cost pass through you?
02:56Senator Nancy, what we're talking about is building, not work.
03:02Ma'am, let's calm down so that we can get the numbers right.
03:06I showed the video that she's saying 5.7.
03:10Which is the document...
03:12Even in the document that you're holding, there's no 23 billion.
03:1621.7 billion and then 23.
03:19You're reacting to what Senator Escudero said, that 23, which was submitted to us by the SCT,
03:26which were all your staff, and which I released to the media.
03:30And you've been going around saying our numbers are wrong.
03:33So if it's wrong, correct it.
03:35But the number that was given to us by your staff, and you've been going around telling people
03:41where we came from and it came from your staff.
03:44So what's the problem?
03:46Mr. Chairman, what I'm asking is per documentation of DPWH.
03:51This is their documentation. 21.7 plus 3.
03:56I didn't submit DPWH to the media and that's not what Senator Escudero said.
04:02What Senator Escudero said came from the SCT, your staff.
04:06So what's the issue?
04:07Actually, Chairman, I think you're making a mistake.
04:10What's the issue?
04:11Phase 3, in your records, it's 10 billion?
04:15The records of the SCT, Senator Binay, that was given to me by the SCT.
04:22Who are your staff?
04:23So what's the problem?
04:25No, no, ma'am. You're messing up the hearing.
04:27There's nothing to be messed up.
04:28That's what was submitted to me.
04:30So if you're going to say it's wrong, what's the correct number?
04:33That's what was submitted to me by your staff.
04:36What we're talking about now is the size of DPWH.
04:39Yes, and what we're talking about with Sec Sadain, what he said was 5.7, which is 7 point something.
04:46In the proper context, because to be fair to DPWH.
04:50He really said it's wrong, not 5.7. It was 7 point something.
04:54You need to apologize for the 23 billion.
04:56No, no, no. You're listening wrongly.
04:59I asked them to apologize for saying it's 5.7 when in fact it was 7 point something.
05:06Mr. Chairman, you're...
05:07No, no. Listen to me first.
05:09Can we go back?
05:10Listen to me first.
05:11I'm still the chair.
05:13No, no. The problem with you is that you keep going around saying,
05:16I want to talk to Alan, I want to talk to Cheese.
05:18We met at the party. We have a cell phone. You're not talking to us.
05:21Then you're messing up the hearing.
05:23Let me continue.
05:25I told Sec that there's no 23B.
05:29Because there's no 23B.
05:31That's the 23B. That's the 23B submitted by your SCT staff.
05:38You told me not to remove it.
05:41Mr. Chairman, proper context.
05:43So what's the issue?
05:44What did you say? The cost of building a building is 23B.
05:51Senator Escudero said, so far, the total cost of having a new building is already at 23.
06:01And that's what the SCT gave me, including the cost of land.
06:09So what's the issue?
06:11There's no issue. They really submitted 23B to us.
06:15If you want to tell me that all of your staff are wrong and you have different numbers,
06:19you're welcome to submit.
06:20But how can you argue with what they submitted to me?
06:23And how can we argue with what the Senate President said?
06:28You know, because proper context.
06:30When the statement was issued, your statement is from the original core and shell budget of P8.9B
06:39to a projected completion cost of P23.3B.
06:45And we're talking about the new Senate building project.
06:48There are components that are not part of the construction of the new Senate building.
06:55We clarified that. If you were listening, we clarified.
06:59During the time of Senator Laxon, it was said that the 7-floor building has no fit-out.
07:05That's not it.
07:06You're proposing a fit-out.
07:08So we will consult the 24 senators if they will allow additional billions for a fit-out.
07:15So why are you so angry with me that I'm reviewing that amount?
07:19You've been at your table for 15 months and you haven't reviewed it.
07:22Mr. Chairman, I'm not angry with that amount.
07:25You've been angry for a long time. We're about to finish.
07:28I don't understand what issue you have with 23B.
07:31Give me the other amount and I will release it to the media.
07:35That's the amount that your staff gave me.
07:38What we're talking about now is the cost of construction of the building.
07:43What we're talking about is the total cost of the building.
07:46No one is buying a house where the cost is divided.
07:50If you're going to buy a house, you will ask the broker all in all, including taxes.
07:57But Mr. Chairman, if you're going to build a house,
08:00you will not include the refrigerator and TV as cost of the building.
08:05You don't have a refrigerator and TV.
08:08In the competition of DPWH, it's not divided. Is that right?
08:12It's not refrigerator and TV, ma'am.
08:15For example, cyber security, is it divided?
08:18Ma'am, what is your intention in disturbing our hearing?
08:21I'm not disturbing the hearing.
08:22It's 23B total. No one said that it's 23B total DPWH.
08:28No one said that.
08:29You invented a lot of things in the media.
08:32I didn't invent anything.
08:34You have 10 interviews. Maybe this is Makati Taguig.
08:39You didn't change the question on the radio.
08:42All of them are the same question. It's exact.
08:45It's obvious that you gave the question.
08:47What is the relationship between...
08:49I will not give questions to the media, Mr. Chairman.
08:53Maybe you will do the questions given to the media.
08:59Ma'am, 10 interviews, all of the questions are exact.
09:03Coincidence, you're good.
09:04Maybe...
09:05Last night...
09:06Last night...
09:07Maybe you will do the questions given to the media.
09:10This is not what they said on the radio.
09:12The point is, ma'am, can we stick to the issue?
09:15No, ma'am.
09:16No one will bring up other issues.
09:18If they want to explain DPWH, they cannot explain it properly.
09:23Let's explain it.
09:24Our visitors to DPWH, I'm sorry.
09:27That's what I'm telling you.
09:29There are 24 senators with different opinions.
09:32If the issue is clear, you will mess up the issue.
09:35I'm not messing up the issue, Mr. Chairman.
09:37Okay.
09:38I just want to clarify.
09:39Even if the issue is messed up.
09:40Ma'am, the issue is not messed up.
09:42The clarity of the issue is that 23 billion came from your staff.
09:45You are the one who goes to the media, to the radio,
09:47if there's any violation, if you're telling me anything.
09:50You said someone is stabbing you in the back.
09:52You were accused of attempted murder.
09:54Who is stabbing you in the back?
09:56I don't know anything about that.
09:57Okay, I will ask you later who is stabbing you.
10:00But it's not me.
10:01What do I know about that?
10:02Actually, Mr. Chairman, did I say it's you?
10:05I'm not saying it's you.
10:07How can you tell the media that someone is stabbing you in the back?
10:14What will they think?
10:16But didn't I say that Peter Cayetano is stabbing me?
10:20Didn't they say that when you react like that, you might be guilty?
10:23Ma'am, I will tell you something.
10:25Your name is Lourdes, not Marites.
10:27So let's fix this.
10:30It's embarrassing.
10:31We are not Marites, Mr. Chairman.
10:3323 billion.
10:34So what do you want to clarify there?
10:36Let's include it in the record.
10:38What do you want to clarify?
10:39According to the DPWH, based on their records,
10:42how much is the amount to them?
10:45Here, ma'am.
10:46I'm showing it to you, ma'am.
10:47It's on their mic.
10:49Is that 23 billion?
10:51It's 21.730.
10:53But is that 23 billion?
10:55If you add the land.
10:56But it's not 23 billion.
10:58Who told them that the DPWH said that the amount is 23 billion?
11:02Maybe we should go back to the transcripts of your interviews.
11:06Ma'am, I don't have an interview.
11:08Ma'am, I don't have an interview.
11:10Ask the media. They are mad at me.
11:13Look at Selly.
11:14I wasn't able to greet her on her birthday.
11:16I wasn't able to open her text because I told them,
11:19I'm sorry, I want to be fair.
11:21I have nothing to talk about.
11:22I don't have an interview.
11:24I asked Ninong Noli de Castro.
11:26He called me.
11:27I didn't have an interview.
11:28I have a lot of friends in the media.
11:30I didn't have an interview, right?
11:32So what is the transcript that you're saying?
11:34So if we go back to that, Mr. Chairman,
11:37where did the 23 billion come from?
11:39It came from the memo that was given by the senator.
11:41Who announced the 23 billion in the media?
11:43It came from the SCT.
11:45No, my question is who announced the 23 billion in the media?
11:49Who announced it, Mr. Chairman?
11:51It's not you.
11:52So who announced it?
11:54Senator Escudero.
11:55So who announced the amount of 23 billion?
11:58You said that you will have an interview.
12:02It was Senator Escudero, Mr. Chairman,
12:05who announced the amount of 23 billion.
12:09And you admitted, ma'am, that your former staff, the SCT,
12:13they submitted the 23 billion.
12:15Who submitted the SCT?
12:17You also said that DPWH is the resource person.
12:22Yes, and no one said that...
12:24You're confusing me, ma'am.
12:25I'm asking, in the records of DPWH,
12:29does the 23 billion come out?
12:32That's all I'm asking you, Mr. Chairman.
12:35I already answered you, ma'am.
12:36It comes out as 21.73.
12:39It's not 23 billion, Mr. Chairman.
12:42Do your math. 21 is not 23.
12:45No, ma'am. Let's repeat the video.
12:4821 and 23.
12:50For the record, it's 23 billion with the land.
12:56No, for the record, it's 21.73.
12:59Let me finish to satisfy you, okay?
13:03Let me clarify.
13:05There's no going back. Let me clarify.
13:10I asked the SCT to submit to me the total.
13:16They submitted 23 billion with the land.
13:20I submitted this to the Senate.
13:22Ma'am, let me finish.
13:24This is done. I'm done.
13:26This is done, ma'am. Stop confusing me.
13:29You're confusing me, Mr. Chairman.
13:31It's clear now.
13:32No, Mr. Chairman.
13:33It's clear, ma'am.
13:34You said earlier that this hearing is for DPWH.
13:38Ma'am, let's go back.
13:39We're asking as per records of DPWH.
13:43Ma'am, let's go back.
13:44We don't have 23 billion.
13:46Well, the chair is making a statement.
13:48Will you allow the chair to make a statement?
13:50Okay. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman.
13:52So, after the SCT submitted the 23B,
13:56we got their preliminary insights.
13:59It came from them.
14:01I submitted it to Senator Escudero.
14:04In his words, he gave a speech.
14:09Based on the speech,
14:11you said, where did the 23B come from?
14:14Yousef Sadein and Ma'am Soledad had an interview.
14:18They said, it's a...
14:21I don't want to make a mistake.
14:22What came out earlier?
14:24They said it was 5.7B.
14:28So if you add it all up,
14:30it's like 16.
14:31It's far from 23.
14:33So during the course of the hearing,
14:35if you were listening, Ma'am,
14:37he showed it as 21.7B.
14:39So I referred to him.
14:41I said, sir,
14:42if you look at your own document
14:45and the one submitted by Assistant Secretary Molano,
14:49it was 7 point something B.
14:53So it's close to 23 or 23 if you include the land.
14:58So don't you owe us an apology
15:00because you said...
15:01Let me finish.
15:02Don't you...
15:03Because it was...
15:04You said 5.7 at 16B.
15:07It's like we invented it.
15:09We didn't invent it.
15:11Now, if you want to say 23B was invented,
15:16then show me what the numbers is
15:18and I will talk to the SCT.
15:20Why did you invent it?
15:22If they invented it.
15:23But if not,
15:24and they really gave it to me at 23,
15:26what is the issue?
15:27Don't go back and forth.
15:29DP is like that.
15:30This was submitted by DPWH, 21.7.
15:33That's their report on Channel 7.
15:35All the people in this room,
15:37all the people watching the media,
15:38understood it.
15:39So we're done there.
15:42That's clear.
15:43So your money is 21.7.
15:46The land is not yours.
15:49What is the issue?
15:52That's what they submitted.
15:54Mr. Chairman,
15:55do you have 21B?
15:57No.
15:58None.
15:59Are you familiar with the terms
16:01on acquiring the lot?
16:03You don't know either, right?
16:06It's too far.
16:07You're the one asking, Mr. Chairman.
16:09Ma'am, the lot is not there, 21.
16:11Ma'am, DPWH gave it to me.
16:13The problem is you're not listening.
16:15That's it, Mr. Chairman.
16:16You don't know how to read.
16:1921 became 23.
16:21I didn't say 23 came from them.
16:24Ma'am, make your point and then move on.
16:28Move on because you're out of order.
16:30My point is, Mr. Chairman,
16:32on the part of DPWH,
16:35it's 21.7B.
16:36There's no such thing as 23B.
16:40The money is in your mic, 21.7B.
16:44Is it still in your mic?
16:46There it is.
16:4721B?
16:49Chairman, Chairman.
16:51Yes.
16:52Is it okay if we move on to suspend?
16:57Is it okay if we suspend?
17:00We're about to finish.
17:01I want to finish so we can talk after.
17:03So I don't know.
17:04I want to give Senator Nancy all the chance
17:07rather than presscon after presscon.
17:09I'm not presscon after presscon.
17:12We're forced to answer.
17:15Because you're giving wrong statements.
17:20First of all, I don't have a statement in the media.
17:23How can I be wrong?
17:24You have a Facebook Live statement.
17:26You also have an interview.
17:28You should also have an interview, right?
17:30So you're right, I'm wrong.
17:32They said, this is their presentation on the mic.
17:3621.7B is available.
17:38Mr. Chairman, can I just hear from DPWH,
17:41on your end, does 23B exist for DPWH?
17:47Yes or no?
17:48It was in their presentation.
17:50That's what we're asking, Mr. Chairman.
17:51It's in the presentation.
17:53Yes or no, can they answer?
17:56On your end, DPWH,
17:58does the amount of 23B exist in your documents?
18:06USEC.
18:07There is none, Mr. Chair.
18:09Thank you.
18:10Sorry, sorry, ma'am.
18:11There is none.
18:12Excuse me.
18:14Order, order, order.
18:16Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18:18My point, there's no such thing as 23B.
18:21Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
18:2321.7B.
18:25Kabuang, Canada.
18:27Let's finish this properly.
18:29This is the Senate of the Philippines, not a market.
18:40Thank you.
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