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The Garden Report crew previews Game 5 of the NBA Finals, discussing the status of Kristaps Porzingis, how the Celtics can bounce back from a disappointing loss, and Kyrie Irving's strange remarks at Sunday's practice.
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00:00Can you say hard hats folks? Hard hats, munch pails, steel tool, boots.
00:09Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:11Look at this boomer right here.
00:13You've just got so much talent here.
00:16Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.
00:18Can I pull the John? What are we apologizing for? What did we say? What did we do?
00:22Welcome into the Garden Report.
00:31You are looking at Chris Dapspor Zingas working out on the off day media availability prior to game five,
00:39which is going to be tomorrow night.
00:41John Zanis and Bobby Manning here and Chris Dapspor Zingas did not, did not speak to the media today.
00:48Take that for what you will.
00:50He walked around, kind of shot, kind of didn't do much.
00:55And for those hoping that Chris Dapspor Zingas may come and save the Celtics,
00:58not that they need saving, but may come and aid the Celtics in their quest for banner 18.
01:03Today may have given us a more definitive view or answer on what is going on with Chris Dapspor.
01:10We'll talk about that. And here we are.
01:12Bobby Manning, John Zanis, Garden Report.
01:16Bobby and I were at the Garden.
01:18We'll be joined by Josue Pavone in a little bit.
01:22Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day to all those who celebrate or celebrating your fathers or future fathers,
01:29whatever have you. Happy Father's Day to all out there.
01:33I hope for the dads you had a nice, relaxing day.
01:38And for those who aren't dads, I hope you honored yours in the most deserving way possible.
01:46But let's get into kind of what we're talking about today.
01:49And look, a lot's changed, right? Just in terms of vibes and perception over the last 24, 48 hours.
01:56Tough to kind of rein it in, Bobby, like what we were thinking or feeling after that blowout,
02:00because it was like so unexpected, the Game 4 blowout.
02:05And I think a lot of people wrote it off quickly, like, okay, it happens, right?
02:12I think over the last day or so, I've seen people really whip themselves into a bit of a frenzy.
02:16I'm seeing a lot of stuff online right now about how this is must win for the Celtics.
02:21They don't want to go back to Dallas and then Game 7, blah, blah, blah.
02:25We went from the Mavericks aren't on the Celtics level.
02:28And this is an absolute blowout to holy shit, I'm starting to get worried.
02:31So where in between those two extremes are you right now?
02:34And I'm curious where the people in the chat are as well.
02:38I mean, realistically, you shouldn't worry about them losing this series at all,
02:44because the lead is so substantial and we'll compare it to last year.
02:51Obviously a different matchup, Celtics Heat, different skill level on both sides relatively in that series.
02:57So you were in a good position as Boston to make that run coming off the 0-3 deficit.
03:04In this circumstance, it's a much different balance here,
03:08where the Celtics have dominated this matchup.
03:11Now things have changed and what you don't want to do is mess around
03:15because each night you mess around and they certainly messed around
03:18and admitted as much today in a couple different spots.
03:22You are putting yourself at extra risk of more things going wrong
03:26and many things have gone wrong to this point.
03:29We were counting them all with Kevin O'Connor on our hit we did in Dallas to wrap game for John.
03:34Dallas's role players got going. Porzingis, as you mentioned,
03:37they're probably out of the picture at this point.
03:40You're losing the non-Porzingis minutes in this series by 10 points per 100.
03:45So then just keep going down the line.
03:47Dallas has flexed its rebounding advantage on Boston.
03:50Now you have to contend with that if you have the Celtics.
03:54The worst part to me is that every Dallas role player found some sort of confidence
04:01to build on going into game five in that game for it.
04:05Not that they're all going to have good games again,
04:08but if have to of those guys who played well in that game for and that's a much different dynamic
04:14and you said it yourself John every game from this point on is going to be much closer to 50-50.
04:18I know the lines pretty substantially in Boston's favor in game five
04:22and I actually feel pretty good about Boston taking care of this business
04:25with a representative effort in game five a seriousness
04:29that probably will get a woken out of them by what happened in game four,
04:34but Dallas is still in a decent position to steal that game
04:37given where both teams are at going into this one
04:40and some stuff's going to have to change on that Boston side not a ton,
04:44but you're coming out of a game as the Celtics where you did nothing well.
04:49And so you're starting again trying to get back to what you did early in the series
04:53and the tough part is so much what you did great early in this series stem from Porzingis's
04:59availability and his ability to just tilt the scale massively in Boston's favor in those games one and two.
05:07So game three was tough right game four was horrible.
05:12And so that's what you're looking at now in terms of the dynamic of the series
05:15because Porzingis isn't going to save them.
05:19That's kind of what I said.
05:20So I mean after Porzingis got hurt my my my thought
05:25and again, thank you Luis longtime viewer of the show
05:28and all of you out there, you know spending,
05:31you know a piece of your Sunday and piece of your father's day with us today.
05:35We do appreciate it. We didn't yesterday was a travel day.
05:39So we didn't get a chance to talk to you guys.
05:40So we felt it'd be worth it to come back out
05:43and just kind of you know, get a lay of the land and talk about what's going on here.
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05:55Yeah, Bobby. That's that's what we said.
05:57That's what I said, you know,
05:59and that's kind of my my feel when Porzingis went out after game two my
06:03and they once they announced what the injury was my thinking was we're not going to see him again
06:08or if you see a version of him it's going to be so limited that it might not be worth it.
06:12It's not being pessimistic. He tore something he can't move around.
06:16He's he's he's I we don't know.
06:21So that was the vibe and then up to all was great
06:24because you had a big cushion you go up 3-0 winning a game without Porzingis.
06:28You feel good that you can win the series without him.
06:30No doubt now it's 3-0 Mavs have to be perfect to win it outright.
06:34So by no means do I think the Mavericks are going to win four straight games.
06:37However, as we said every single game they play to me is a 50-50 without Porzingis.
06:46It's you're closer to their level and there's things you do.
06:52And things that they do to you that are problems
06:56and bigger problems because Porzingis isn't around the matchup problem
07:00that the Celtics presented with Porzingis both offensively
07:02and defensively was more than Dallas could handle
07:04and it's why I had this as Celtics in five before this series began
07:08because I just with when Porzingis was healthy
07:11and playing I didn't think there's any chance Dallas could stay with Celtics.
07:14Now it's now it's questionable that whether they can or can't
07:20so I don't know how much stock to put in it.
07:22All I do know is you know, they made life hard.
07:26We're looking at from the fourth quarter on from game three
07:29and all the way through game for the Celtics offense looking like shit bad bad bad bad.
07:36And that's the only thing that concerns me is they haven't had one of their games yet.
07:42They haven't broken 110.
07:44They haven't gone out and been lights out.
07:46Jason Tatum is still shooting like crap.
07:50They haven't had a 40 plus percent from three game.
07:52I think that's coming.
07:53I think that could be coming in game five,
07:57but it hasn't happened yet.
07:58So you do want to start thinking how much of it is the Mavericks doing that to them
08:02that they're not able to just catch fire
08:04and take off and have their offense be the way it was.
08:07I mean, this is again historically one of the greatest offenses statistically speaking ever
08:13and they haven't gone off for one of their 120 plus games yet.
08:16So you're wondering if that's right around the corner
08:19or it's something that you know, they can't they might not be able to get there
08:21and maybe not get there without Porzingis.
08:23So I do start to worry there that if they don't have a balls-out defensive effort,
08:28the offense might not be able to carry them as it had so many times this year.
08:33And again, I'm talking game by game.
08:35I still find it highly unlikely that the Mavericks can whip off four straight
08:39because you're talking about being perfect
08:41and the Celtics never having you know, a great offensive game which they've yet to
08:46but you know, that's game by game.
08:48That's my general feeling here is that's my concern as you enter each game.
08:53Yeah, and they went so cold offensively in that game four
08:57which Joe Mizzou talked about today impacting their defense.
09:00I know Sam Houser said today they didn't reach an appropriate level
09:04or they're the level they're capable of on defense individually.
09:08And that was another thing that went against Boston that game
09:10where those individual efforts you were getting on Luka and Kyrie waned in a big way there
09:15and those two broke both broke loose for big games there.
09:19So that's a real strength you had over Dallas is that you could defend them one-on-one.
09:24Now, there's some level of doubt over whether you're able to do that.
09:28You were able to ignore many guys on that Dallas side including Derek Lively in the corner.
09:33You wouldn't even given a second thought about leaving him there
09:36and all of a sudden he hits a three
09:38and then today at practice you just saw him hitting three after three after three.
09:41Is that a dynamic now? Is that a possibility in this series
09:44that he could take another one of those or maybe two in a game here there?
09:49Kid talked a little bit about getting away from some of the triple teaming
09:51that they're doing on Tatum and other guys to pack that lane.
09:55So they're defending a little more straight up and had some success with that.
09:58Took away Boston's passing game a little bit there for some turnovers
10:03and Tatum and Brown were terrible in that game.
10:05So does that carry over? Is there any pressure to play in front of that Boston crowd
10:11that's rearing to win the championship
10:14and is just going to be going bonkers all night?
10:18The one thing that makes you feel a little bit better is they're obviously past that point
10:22and that mindset going into Friday night that we're doing it tonight
10:28because it was so obvious that it was going to happen that night to them
10:31and they were getting ready to celebrate
10:33and they were getting ready to do the Chris Stapps thing that we talked about
10:36and I'm sure they had the places all booked out ready to celebrate in Dallas.
10:40Tonight, today felt a little bit more back to the basketball
10:44and that's what it needs to be, right?
10:46Because when the Celtics put the emphasis on the details that they need to
10:50and they execute at the level that they need to
10:53and there's that level of focus, it's going to look completely different.
10:58You're just left wondering how much of what Dallas did will continue
11:03and matter coming out of that game because yes, the Celtics didn't show up
11:08but I do think Dallas did a lot of good stuff there.
11:10They got a lot of good individual efforts.
11:12So many guys woke up there that you expected to impact the series
11:15the way they did in that game four.
11:18I think a gaffer at six straight points and blocking Tatum.
11:21That's the kind of defensive presence he had during their run.
11:24Lively, who was so bad early in this series,
11:27had that kind of energy and impact on that game.
11:30Washington shot two with three from three.
11:32That's what he was doing for them.
11:34So do those guys keep giving you stuff?
11:38If they do, it's an even game going into the game five.
11:42More so.
11:43And that's where you get back to crunch time and all the rest.
11:47Among the things I liked that Dallas did,
11:49I found it really interesting that Gafford got subbed out so quickly
11:55for Lively in the first quarter.
11:56I mean, that was like two and a half minutes or something,
11:59which is, I don't know if it was by design or instantly.
12:02They just didn't like the coverage.
12:04Gafford was getting because the Celtics have exploited him trying to kind of
12:08play that one man zone, right?
12:10Where he's just staying down there and he's trying to get out to the shooter and
12:14with good ball reversals they were and he got caught a lot of times in that last game.
12:18You saw whether it was someone off the screen sealing their opponent and
12:23getting a layup inside as Gafford did cheat to the corner or
12:26not getting to the corner quick enough and
12:28a very good ball reversal getting out to an open shooter.
12:31And they did have him.
12:33He did struggle kind of figuring out where to go and
12:36they were getting a lot of good looks both inside and out.
12:40Lively was anticipating better and covering a lot more ground than Gafford was.
12:45And that closed things off a bit where the driving lanes weren't there because he was
12:51where he needed to be and they weren't able to get it out to open shooters
12:54because he was anticipating better.
12:56And I thought that was a little bit of a change just in terms of the way Dallas
12:59played their defense there.
13:03Other than that, yeah, the guys hit the shots that to me,
13:07I find less sustainable Bobby because we were talking about this a little bit
13:11off the air last game and maybe a little bit on the show.
13:14Sure, like those guys got hot and some people might say like, geez,
13:18well now that they you've got better games out of Hardy and
13:22Exum and Washington hit some threes and even lively hits one.
13:26Is that does that wake them up?
13:27And even Jesus everybody was freaking out over Hardaway hitting garbage time threes.
13:32I mean, that to me is fool's gold, which is there's guys who play limited roles and
13:38who are on the bench that if they did it all the time,
13:42they wouldn't play in limited roles and be on the bench.
13:45There's a reason they do because doing it again is the hard thing.
13:49It's like I say, I always use that golf analogy.
13:51Sure, one day you went out and shot an 80.
13:54But if you average 98, chances are next time you're gonna shoot 105.
13:58Like you're not gonna shoot an 80 again, like it's just not you.
14:03That's not who you are.
14:04You're the guy who averages 98 to 102 every time you go out and play.
14:10That's who those guys are or a lot of them.
14:12Otherwise, they'd be starting and scoring 15, 18 points a game.
14:15It's that's not who they are.
14:16So yeah, could they repeat it?
14:18Sure.
14:19Will they do it on the road with the pressure of going home?
14:22I wouldn't bet on it.
14:23So that bothers me less.
14:24It's really whether the Celtics can.
14:26I'm not worried about Dallas and those guys.
14:28It's whether the Celtics can unlock their offense against this team.
14:36You're muted Bobby, sorry.
14:40The one thing I look at with the shot making there that you mentioned is
14:44the fact that they left so many of those guys wide open in those spots
14:49prior to that game and we're pulling up the numbers now in terms of wide
14:54open Dante XM two or three.
14:58Cleaver hit an open three lively hit that wide open three in the corner good,
15:03but I want to go to Cleaver and lively those shot.
15:06I want to give Cleaver like I will live with open shots from Cleaver lively
15:10Jones all day long.
15:12XM is proven.
15:13He can hit him.
15:13But again, anything that isn't but from Kyrie and Luka is fine,
15:18Washington.
15:18Obviously you want to defend a little bit better.
15:20I think you're conceding those above the break threes to those guys.
15:24Absolutely.
15:25Like that's something that they're going to give up.
15:27I dare them to get hot again.
15:29And if they do you say well, they got hot again.
15:32Yeah, there's just the possibility that that continues when they're wide.
15:38Of course, but there's also the possibility that I'm fine.
15:41Yeah, but it's a possibility that that that Derek White has one of his,
15:44you know, eight three-pointer games to you know what I mean?
15:46It's like I I bet on Hauser and white and you know, even Tatum and
15:51Horford coming alive from from three much more than I would bet on those
15:56guys.
15:58Yeah, for sure.
15:59I'm just not worried about Cleaver and Jones and XM.
16:02I'm just not like I'm just not when when the answer is guys.
16:05You're you're that are struggling to get into your rotation, you know,
16:08like if Pritchard had a good game.
16:10I wouldn't be saying like Pritchard is the answer to the next game.
16:12I just it's just not how it's not how it works for me, you know, like
16:16that's how that's how I view it.
16:18Yeah, for sure.
16:19And that's not going to be what dictates a success when Don Church is
16:23on the ball as much as he is and he has to do as much as he does a lot of
16:26it's going to be him carrying them the way he did in game three, but
16:31effect of him doing that is other guys getting freed up to do some stuff
16:36and they don't need to do much because he can do so much of that heavy
16:39lifting.
16:40And you start to wonder how much you're going to react to that heavy
16:43lifting and the big production that he's doing right now because your
16:47game plan through three games that works so successfully was guarding
16:51him straight up living with the baskets.
16:54He scores and trying to make sure all those other guys get shut down
16:58completely, which is why as I look at the numbers here, there really
17:01aren't a ton of wide open shots that they're giving up to some of these
17:04other guys like Jones was one for five on wide opens coming into a game
17:09four green was one for four Cleaver over to that's not a ton of shots
17:14that you're giving up to those guys just because Lucas shooting so many
17:19and in other circumstances, they're covered up.
17:23So he's not able to kick out and have the assist.
17:25Remember in game one, Johnny had one assist.
17:27Luca did so that game plan was working so well.
17:30If it's crack start to form in that you obviously have quite a bit of
17:35leeway here with the three nothing lead where you don't have to
17:37substantially react to a big Luca game, but do you react to two Luca
17:41games at that point?
17:43You're in that Golden State Territory a little bit again where we're all
17:46sitting there watching curry go crazy in 2022 against the drop, but
17:52everyone else is getting limited because of it and then you switch up
17:55and actually try to address curry and everyone else starts going crazy.
17:58So that's the only thing I look at right here coming.
18:00I game three and say did you overreact to Luca and what he was doing just
18:04a little bit to where those guys actually got freed up to do some stuff
18:08because they don't need to do a ton.
18:11Yeah, they don't they don't but again, like they were doing nothing John
18:17that was the problem previously.
18:18If you go from nothing to something that's a pretty big win for Dallas
18:24at that point.
18:25Defensively, you mean?
18:26Offensively, all the bench guys, the roll guys.
18:31Again, I know it's nothing from something but it's again.
18:34It's if if you're going to if you're going to die if you're going to let
18:38Dallas beat you somewhere, that's where I want to see it happen again.
18:43That's you're living with that.
18:46If you want to do that, you're trying not to the Joe's game plan doesn't
18:51change right limit lobs and corner threes and we will let those guys
18:55shoot if you lose that game because those that collection of players you
19:01mentioned there beat you with a bunch of above the break threes.
19:03You lost that game.
19:04That's all go ahead and do it.
19:06Can you and do I dare you to do it in five and then in six and then in
19:10seven?
19:10There's no freaking way.
19:12There's no way if you if you look at it as I'm not changing my game plan
19:16because it happened once I'm going to I'm going to dare you to beat to beat
19:20me with this four times.
19:21That's that's the right approach.
19:24That's the right approach in my in my opinion.
19:27So I'm not changing anything in terms of how you defend you just have to
19:31defend better.
19:32There was miscommunication all over the place and early and you don't want
19:35to leave wide open shooters, but they weren't they didn't do a good job.
19:38They did.
19:38They didn't do a great job on the ball Irving was getting where he wanted
19:42to go inside the paint there as well.
19:43So yeah, that's that's how I view it there.
19:50This was a theme that we talked about.
19:52I'm curious from everybody you spoke to today on, you know, and I asked
19:57Tillman about it and I know a couple of people spoke on it was this notion
20:03of did the Celtics like?
20:06Did I ask Tillman specifically were you more worried about winning a
20:10championship rather than winning game for if that makes sense like were
20:15you just thinking we're going to win the title and like all that comes
20:18with that versus the task at hand, which was what you needed to do to win
20:21that specific game because some people yourself included particularly
20:26with the whole Chris taps Victory Cigar suit up, but not really play
20:29thing you were obviously like I were these guys thinking about the champagne
20:34celebration more than they were thinking about the job of beating the
20:37Mavericks in game for.
20:40What do you get the sense that some people thought that that question was
20:43asked a couple of times in a couple of different things that I was in here.
20:47So I'm not sure if the players gave that up to you.
20:52Yeah, I definitely think that's obvious and whether it was thinking about
20:58the celebration or thinking they had in the bag or the more than prevalent
21:02thing I heard which is they pad a pressure on themselves to win that game
21:06or put a pressure on themselves to win that game to get it done that night.
21:09You heard them take the opposite approach today and I know someone
21:13already pointed out in the chat is that you heard the notion that you don't
21:17have to win game 5 like this isn't game 7 here you can play freely you
21:23cannot put that pressure on yourself and if you fall short or you lose a
21:28tough one you still have game 6 at that point and if you lose that one you
21:32still have games that so it's it seemed like the mindset that they were
21:37talking about his players is that the series isn't going to get decided on
21:42Monday.
21:42You just have to show up and play your game and if you lose you lose you
21:45still have another chance at that point whereas in game 4 I think they felt
21:49like they played it with a do-or-die kind of pressure and that pressure just
21:56way too much on them and I'm sure it's different for every guy right like I'm
22:01sure there's some guys in that room who are like we got this and other guys and
22:06Joe especially who are like we haven't won anything yet this is this is the
22:10game right here boom boom boom details all that stuff because Joe was in that
22:14right mindset obviously right and then I'm sure there's some guys in there who
22:19it was your it was our father much pressure it was our fault I mean we're
22:24allowed to think that way but they can't exactly what do you guys want us to be
22:29confident or think that they're gonna blow a 3-0 lead I'm sure again it it
22:34absolutely looked like I'm still sitting here talking like this series is over
22:39and I'm going to continue to but fear has fear has crept in somewhat and
22:46people are looking for people to blame and so yeah sure yeah it was the media
22:50I don't think you should be fearful at all until they lose tomorrow and then
22:53the panic meter can go up to red going back that's the whole point is you're
22:58jumping in your mind people are jumping ahead currently to what if they lose
23:04tomorrow panic rather than waiting to see if they lose tomorrow you're either
23:08gonna be thrilled because they won the title or you're gonna be freaking the
23:13F out because it's like oh my god oh my god oh my god this is going seven and
23:17that's gonna happen to some people there's no question about it so you know
23:21I get it but everyone someone's asking in the chat here John do you like them
23:28saying however long it takes it takes it's not all about Monday or would you
23:34rather than be like Monday's a game seven for us in our mind there's no way
23:38I don't think it matters I don't think it matters we're gonna get Josue Pavone
23:42on in a little bit as well but I don't think it matters and I'm gonna get
23:47Josue's take on this also as soon as we bring him on first off I do think it's
23:51just whatever works I I'll give you my take on that in a second we'll get
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26:37what Bobby had said before whether or not the Celtics saying things today Josue
26:42like you know as long as it takes you know this and that winning the series
26:47versus no we need to win it here I don't think it matters I'll flip it to you
26:52Bobby if they said we've got to win game 5 that's almost panic-inducing that
26:56would that would that to me gives off the vibe that they'd be extremely
27:00worried if they didn't win game 5 thinking that was a must win you're up
27:043-0 or 3-1 you have to take the long view in my eyes but maybe some people
27:09feel differently about it but the to me it's we're here to win four games in a
27:14series we want to win every game but are if you start admitting that this one is
27:19a huge one because you definitely don't want to go back to Dallas for game 6 and
27:23then have to return here for game 7 you're almost conceding that you're
27:27panicked I don't know your thoughts just way yeah I'm kind of on the same boat
27:30man I just think it's one of those it doesn't really matter but if you act
27:35like you're really scared about going back then it paints the things that
27:39you're nervous it paints that you you you have something to be afraid of it
27:43but at the same time I can see why Celtics fans don't like it but I don't
27:48think it really matters I don't think we'll look back if if they were to lose
27:51tomorrow I think we would look back and say oh well look at the way they were
27:54talking beforehand their head weren't in the game they were they were thinking
27:58this thing's gonna go seven or they didn't take care of business they know
28:02what they need to do and they've have they've had experience enough experience
28:06to know that this thing could blow up in your face if you don't take care of
28:11business Monday night but at the same time I don't want to hear them say that
28:14either so yeah I'm with you John's one of those things where it's like if you
28:17say if you're really afraid to go back then you kind of kind of sounds like
28:22you're afraid you're scared to to have to go in that you're not confident
28:27enough to go back in Dallas and win it but at the same time I think they know
28:31that this is your best shot get it done and these guys the Bells Mavericks are
28:36the ones with their backs against the wall yeah yeah that's that's Bobby I
28:42don't know yeah yeah I don't know I don't know Bobby if you see it
28:45differently I'm not super concerned but I think it's natural I was gonna be how
28:49they play of course but what's natural right now is what's happening is you
28:55know again people are nervous I think it was the manner in which they lost game
29:01for the freak people out because yeah if you dropped if you drop a close one
29:05you back well it's on the road it happens whatever I do it again but when
29:11you get your ass kicked that that you remember that a little bit and I think
29:15it's in people like I didn't think Dallas could do that to us is how people
29:21are feeling and knowing that they could and did changes your vibe a little like
29:26oh I didn't think they had that in them yeah but don't you think Joe likes that
29:30though I feel like Joe likes that they lost by that much like see see see how
29:33bad it can you don't do what you're supposed to do you know I mean it's like
29:36it's like the classic line when he said right when you think you're about to
29:38knock somebody out is usually when you get punched something like that yeah
29:42exactly here's the thing I'd feel that I'd feel worse if I'm the Celtics didn't
29:48play like such ass and miss so many shots but would you have pulled your
29:54starters that early though I'm not against it but I'm just asking yeah yeah
29:58my one concern heading into the game was Horford playing his first game of the
30:04series with only a single day's rest and holding up you know and the load that he
30:09has to play not blaming the game on Horford by any means but I was I was
30:13already a little bit worried there and their bigs definitely were more
30:16impactful in this game and whether it was Horford or some of the other guys
30:20that had gotten away switching on to Kyrie and Luka weren't too successful
30:24this game I do think with two days off you're getting fresh Celtics plus the
30:29home crowd plus just law of averages in terms of the getting the shooting
30:34variants to kind of tilt in your favor and have one of those types of games if
30:38it's gonna happen I feel like game five is a pretty good spot you don't want to
30:42rely entirely on well let's hope the shots fall but honestly like that you
30:48don't have to hope with this team over a long Joe Missoula's game plan in terms
30:53of you know the math that he uses and what he wants to see happen works over a
30:58long timeline but it doesn't work every game and when it's not working people
31:01are like all they're doing is jacking threes they had the jack threes last
31:05game they had to hope that it eventually turned in their favor to have any chance
31:08of getting back and shit just snowballs because everyone was trying to do it all
31:12by themselves and it just they weren't getting quality looks they weren't
31:15working hard enough to get them and everything got away from them I want
31:18them to absolutely go out there and shoot 50 50 threes tomorrow yeah and
31:23they're going to it's part of how they're gonna try to navigate the lack
31:28of paint touches they have but they did a bad job getting there in the last game
31:32I think they only had like 26 points in the paint there wasn't that urgency to
31:37get inside and that's a big part of what made me feel like Tatum could become the
31:42MVP before that game is how consistently he got there you saw the drives go way
31:47way up you saw him make that attempt every play to get inside and kick out
31:54and that's what is having him average six plus assists per game as you see
31:58there so to see that come to an end tells me more than anything else that
32:03this was an effort issue this was an attention to detail issue on the boards
32:08where they got killed for the first time there things happen in that game that
32:13didn't happen earlier in the series when the Celtics paid a substantive
32:18level of attention to what the things that they need to do is just by said
32:22there the problem to me is that it happened at that level where no one did
32:28anything right in that game and they were so caught off guard or unprepared
32:34or whatever it was that that's the result that happened and it's a it's a
32:39similar circumstance here right they'll still be that pressure to win it all
32:43they'll be the crowd pressure that crowds gonna be rocking they're gonna be
32:46expecting the championship to happen on Monday that pressure on Boston isn't
32:51changing and it only builds with every extra game they play now so if that's
32:55what impacted them or that's what got them out of out of sync mentally there
33:00it's almost hitting that again they're gonna win this series but it would be
33:05pretty fitting for as frustrating as these guys have been yeah they're gonna
33:09win this series he said took a drink from his whiskey you know that's the
33:14thing John wouldn't it be so Celtics so Tatum and Brown era to take it for
33:22women to win the championship by the skin of their teeth and seven games have
33:25to be an up three nothing hey that's last year's going there this is the
33:33mind of the reminded me so often Joe Swaye right yeah that's true so I get
33:43it done Monday but man that things are a little different Joe Swaye Porzingis
33:48isn't here you need those two I know I know I know Bobby but I just don't I
33:53don't trust those other guys from Dallas right well I'm gonna have to they're
33:57gonna have to pretty much duplicate what they did and that includes Kyrie Irving
34:01I'm not to call him another guy but let's face it he's not the same player
34:04that we saw in Dallas when he's in TD Garden he hasn't been since he left
34:09pretty much or stomped on the logo whichever side or you know you think
34:13whatever the reason may be clearly these fans get to him he can't focus and even
34:18in a potential elimination game I don't know if we get a better version of what
34:25we've seen a Kyrie in Boston I'm not quite sure I I predict he'll he'll play
34:32better than what we saw in games one and two but is that enough like Dallas
34:37needs a lot out of him pretty much what he did in game four which was his best
34:40game of the series it's Kyrie ready for Boston giant didn't sound like it today
34:46especially efficient carry in game four we'll get into Kyrie because I do want
34:50to get to that I but I didn't miss the carry segment I cool no we haven't done
34:54Kyrie and we haven't fully done Chris taps cuz I do I do think it's important
34:58because we do want to kind of discuss it there were some vibes about okay you
35:03know is he are they being cautious or coy did he dress up as a human victory
35:09cigar just to go out there walk around the court if they clinched in Dallas did
35:13he dress up because why not doesn't matter and they were never gonna play
35:16him up 3-0 because they felt like oh what's the need here we'll put him in
35:21later in the series as we need to my contention has always been Adam
35:26Hemmels back tried again to talk today yeah I saw that wasn't allowed to yeah
35:31so they battle one-on-one was there was there other people around him when he
35:34or did he walk out thinking he was at the podium and realized he wasn't and
35:38then they shut him down option I wasn't clear from the tweet it wasn't clear but
35:43otherwise why is he out there yeah he went out there and as I said we saw we
35:48saw the video of him I mean when we talk about look there's nothing going on at
35:52these things of any note it doesn't matter like yeah this is what we what we
35:57see is nothing they're not going through a workout and honestly even Joe Joe's
36:00called these things walkthroughs they're not practicing hard but porzingis was
36:04out there shooting shots over the backboard you know and just messing
36:08around really didn't move at all and it's fine there's a bunch of Tatum was
36:11just stretching it's not a big deal if he weren't injured people dancing out
36:16there yeah yeah there's people this is not anything that he was doing you know
36:20but he's still smiling he's still in good spirits but the really the question
36:23was you know is there any chance that he plays and that the plan was they'll play
36:28him when they need him and I asked Avery Tillman you know a couple questions
36:34about it today I was talking you know over its podium and here's what he had
36:37to say I mean when we go through our practice and stuff like that he's doing
36:44some stuff but you could still tell that he's very uncomfortable so like I said
36:47we don't want to put him in any type of situation that could really really hurt
36:52him you know do you see improvement as each day goes on or it's still kind of
36:56tough thing yeah it's been pretty much the same I'm not a trainer either so
37:01he's like shit maybe I shouldn't say that but so tell me tell me kind of gave
37:10away a lot he looks bad he doesn't look comfortable I don't know that he wanted
37:16I don't know that he should I said that I wasn't fishing for like tell me he
37:19looks bad I honestly thought the answer would be like yeah he's he looks better
37:25every day like yeah he's working hard to get a boilerplate he's looking hard to
37:28get out there instead it was I think that's the reality is he's he's he's not
37:38I don't think it's arrest I don't think he gets better this thing needs surgery
37:41it's not going to be better without it he's gonna feel this way maybe they
37:46shoot it up and he tries to play a little bit but I'd be stunned I really
37:51do believe anyone holding out hope should not should not hope it and again
38:00guys you got to stop with the everyone's got to stop with the gamesmanship thing
38:06I don't think Porzingis I don't think it's in their plans to play porzingis
38:09I want to do this very pleasantly surprised if he if he plays and if they
38:15got us and he goes out and plays I'll apology came it again I promise you've
38:20got it I'm not being negative I know he needs surgery I'm thinking the same John
38:26I'm thinking like a game 7 scenario is like the only way like I don't want it
38:30or need it I don't think he's I don't think he can possibly be effective and I
38:34think we just it might be a distraction you might want to put it out of your
38:37mind completely the idea of porzingis playing and just beat him with the guys
38:40that you have which again should be enough yeah and I don't want to go there
38:45again but if it's medical and he can't play why is he questionable don't put
38:53him in street clothes Bobby well a Bobby I mean geez we had what's his name
38:57Jared Allen was questionable for like seven straight games and he never he was
39:02out he was out before the before each game last game again I think we've
39:08whether or not you agree with the tactics we agree why they did it was
39:13probably because so they're gonna do it again again I don't know that it unless
39:18I think it's a massive distraction to the team to do it it feels like every
39:23player understands porzingis is not playing and all they're doing is yeah
39:27dress up and sit on the bench so you can be part of this thing that's it I I
39:31don't think it's a controversy with the team but I do think I don't think it's
39:36around I think fans have to probably wrap their mind around the porzingis is
39:40probably not playing right and then so anyone holding out hope for it that he's
39:48gonna be a savior here I do think it doesn't matter what we think well the
39:53reality is just is that the Celtics are probably gonna have to win without him
39:56that's it yeah and so Tillman a lot of it does fall on him he's actually
40:04important now and as part of a bigger group of guys who are gonna switch on
40:07the Luka and guard him on every pick and roll over the 10 minutes where you
40:11don't have Horford out there so and of course Horford has to like the bigger
40:15minutes now at that point and hold up too so it's tougher without porzingis
40:20Josue it certainly is and the numbers show it they're minus 10 per 100 when
40:24he's not out there and I think they're like plus 27 per 100 when he is they
40:28were dominating they were up three nothing in this series in large part
40:33because of porzingis his contributions in those first two games he just made it
40:37uncompetitive with how good he was yeah no question and I think when you if
40:43you're the Dallas Mavericks you you know that too you know I think you're that
40:47you're beyond trying to game plan for a hypothetical situation where Chris taps
40:51was thrown back in and for some of these guys I think it doesn't really matter in
40:55a sense of like they don't want to even you know think back to what it was when
41:00when it was like when Chris that was out there you know I don't I think we're so
41:04deep in the series that both teams sort of know what's up and again like I said
41:08before when Joe was as transparent as he was I think that's what really spoke
41:13volumes to me because that type of stuff he doesn't he doesn't ever say and for
41:17him to call it a serious injury I think says a lot and then of course the caveat
41:22of yes he's active but it was like okay so that's that's where he's at but I
41:27look the Celtics Tillman I mean they don't they're not in a situation like
41:32the Dallas Mavericks where he has to go deep into his bench and play guys you
41:36know like they have enough to get this done like you like you said earlier
41:40Bobby a sense of guys getting more three-point shot I think that's
41:43definitely in the cards for tomorrow night just in the sense of how the
41:47Celtics respond historically after losses like that's just usually like
41:50that's what you don't have to worry about right and I'm not saying I'm gonna
41:54go out there and have to take 53 is to win it but they're gonna be encouraged
41:59to take as many threes as they can or at least set themselves up for not
42:03passing up those great shots and I like the chances of those going in to be
42:07honest with you you know guys like Derek white drew holiday I think they bounce
42:09back from what we saw in game four but yeah in terms of the frontcourt I think
42:14we see the same what we saw in game four and set the Tillman being slotted in
42:17there getting his stints hopefully he you know can give these guys some extra
42:24muscle off the bench but yeah I mean Al I was gonna be in a big spot here but I
42:29think he's ready for it he's confident you know I think he knows that the
42:32opportunity he has right here to get this done and in Boston being the
42:36starter starting center I think is is pretty cool man for someone who's 38
42:41years old and has been impactful as much as Al's been so it would be a great way
42:44to finish things off for sure I won't say be ready Luke stay ready Luke stay
42:51ready if Xavier doesn't hold up because you can't go small here and the
42:55rebounding disparity the rebounding ability of Dallas is gonna prevent you
43:00from doing that in that's the thing people are saying things in the chat
43:03like Tatum at the five not against this team guys you know it worked by it we
43:08were begging for it against Indiana where it would have worked because Miles
43:12Turner's not a classic five either he likes to play out you know away from the
43:15basket and really no interior presence you're not worried about getting killed
43:18on the glass here these guys will murder you if you go to you and they did and
43:24you weren't you and again you were small when Tillman's coming in and Horford is
43:30out that's a small team and they got murdered and there's nothing that's a
43:35better equalizer for you know playing good defense shutting a team down and
43:39giving them freebies on the offensive glass extending possessions that's a
43:43killer because you try your try your ass off for you know 20 seconds of the shot
43:48clock shutting things down and then just boom you're just giving that up so it's
43:52gonna be a team effort on the glass they got to hit it and they can't let up
43:57there because that's a that's a clear that's a clear disadvantage for them
44:02with that so again the Porzingis thing I hate that that's it but I think that
44:08that's I think that that's that's it for him personally here so they got a they
44:14got to do it with what they've got beyond that we're on the Kyrie Irving
44:20adventure train once again what does this have to do with the series nothing
44:24trains never late it's always coming back it's never late what does it have
44:28to do with basketball nothing does anybody actually care no but he makes it
44:33impossible to talk and to not talk about because on and off he goes and here's
44:39Kyrie Irving talking about again so here's where it does matter I'll tell
44:43you where that matters after you listen to the bizarreness that was Kyrie Irving
44:47today championship pedigree here they've shown it for years they're one
44:51of the most about playing in Boston so you have to show your respects here and
44:56I think that's what I struggle with initially was figuring out how I'm going
45:00to be a great player here while winning championships while also leading a team
45:03and selflessly joining the Celtics organization or the cult that they have
45:09here you know and that's what they expect you to do as as a player they
45:13expect you to seamlessly buy into the Celtics pride buy into everything
45:17Celtics and if you don't then you'll be outed and I'm one of the people that's
45:21on the outs that's every organization I mean I did it to myself they don't
45:28welcome me in with warm embrace and even though I know a lot of people in
45:31organization and my friends still here some of them but yeah it was just a
45:35doing to myself and that's what I was talking about in terms of stepping the
45:38choices but looking back on it definitely would have showed my respect
45:41and had more of a counsel around me from some of the Boston Celtics that it came
45:45before me to explain what the pressure is like so so if any player is coming
45:51here getting drafted here and think about coming here free agency you're
45:53getting traded here I just think do your homework and make sure you know what
45:56you're getting yourself into you know that's that's something I could offer
46:02oh my god it's freaking exhausting he's he didn't buy into the cult of Celtics
46:11basketball like can you try any harder to take any responsibility you dude
46:17everybody knew you're a weirdo people didn't even give a crap about the flat
46:21earth shit if you stayed and played and played well you you you you formed a coup
46:27you left with somebody else you formed a super team elsewhere after saying you
46:32were gonna sign and then you tanked in the playoffs but he never talked about
46:36that John absolutely mailed it in in the playoffs because you knew you were
46:43out of here and everybody is furious over that and you pissed all over the
46:49up-and-coming stars and messed with their heads by not being a good leader
46:53everyone hated what you did to what was left not you so he'll never get it and
46:59that's fine I don't care I don't need to be right or have Kyrie Irving to think
47:04that we are right about how things ended here it doesn't matter to me what does
47:08matter is this insufferable bullshit means he's constantly thinking about
47:13this and Boston and he's sucked here and he sucked in games one and two and you're
47:19wondering whether or not he's incapable of keeping this shit out of his head
47:23when he plays games in the TD Garden and he might be especially because of how
47:28poorly he's played you look at six for 19 in game one seven for 18 in game two
47:33the numbers aren't good here for 13 2022 in that first round series 12 or 20 in
47:41that first game but you know the middle fingers are flying and going back and
47:45forth with guys and that's still happening in this area is not as
47:48notably yeah yeah the only thing is a good point George if the only thing he's
47:53ever taken responsibility or credit for yeah this time here is is is is the Jays
47:59growth he's taken he's proud of that he's proud of he's proud of the role he
48:03played in their development but that's it I just love how he never talks about
48:08the big why which is the situation in Brooklyn which is teaming up with Durant
48:13you know his buddy and getting another super team going just say that it failed
48:17over there too it's okay you don't have to explain that part but that was a big
48:21reason why you left and at the end of the day like that's what Celtics fans
48:26soured over you know obviously the promise and the fact that you just left
48:30you know and look wherever you are on that side of the conversation okay that's
48:34neither here are they at this point it was what we can seven years ago whatever
48:37but the point is like any player like any all-star like anyone who is
48:44positioned to be a leader of a team you're supposed to embrace the culture
48:48you're supposed to be you know you whether you want to do your history or
48:52not it's on you but you're not support that the organization does not supposed
48:56to adapt to you it's always the other way around and look I credit Kyrie first
49:01for talking about maturing and saying how he's a different person now okay if
49:04that's part of it then okay we get that anyone could understand something like
49:07that right but go out and say it you know they'll make it sound as if like
49:11you went into this thing not knowing what it was I mean I'm sure your dad
49:17must have told you a thing or two about the championships and the culture and
49:21the way things are expected want to hold themselves accountable all that
49:24stuff like a max you could have talked to max you guy would you put the say
49:28you could have talked to Paul you could have talked to KG but that's but he
49:31doesn't mean it so I don't even know why we need to parse those you know over
49:34those words there's no hidden meaning in it it's just a try trying to trying to
49:39trying to you know you know absolve himself of any responsibility or right
49:43you know more of his own behavior so none of it really matters to me but the
49:46thing you said Josue I think is right on it's like it's expected of everywhere
49:50right like it doesn't matter where you go it's like hey you know when you come
49:54here we want you to play Washington Wizards basketball you know we want all
50:02that all the time you know like oh you know we're playing Sacramento Kings
50:06basketball like you haven't won anything freaking ever like but everyone thinks
50:12they do things a certain way culture all of that shit matters to people so they
50:17say it throughout but when you do go to the Knicks the Lakers the Celtics the
50:22Spurs yeah maybe friggin understand that there's an expectation there beyond
50:28other places because of all of those things so duh well I mean of course
50:32you're gonna lean on your past you're gonna do it as best you can so that's
50:36understandable but again do you think it's so in his head that he's going to
50:41there's a likelihood he comes out and struggles again because he sucks here I
50:45think so I think so for sure absolutely and the last thing I was gonna say also
50:50like just if you're not gonna say it I'm just gonna say it for him you weren't
50:55you weren't and you still aren't ready to be a number one on a championship
50:58team like that's what you learned here in Boston like that's really what it
51:02boils down to and maybe one day you say it in a book or something but until that
51:08happens I'm always gonna be thinking that as well so no fire I mean that's a
51:12great take because Bobby has a Bobby's jumping on a radio interview he had the
51:15bolt we're gonna hang out here for a few more minutes and we're gonna wrap it as
51:18well but um the that's a hundred percent right that's the irony of all of these
51:23things right you go so you you go somewhere you want to be the man you
51:27realize it's really lonely as the man and you can't do it all by yourself so
51:30you go and try to team up with superstars again when you go and form a
51:33super team with freaking Durant and Harden who do where do you think you
51:38fall in that pecking order three my man you know and not even a question at that
51:42point and then you know you you end up on another team what's that friggin
51:48Luca who's no worse than the second best player in basketball you're second fiddle
51:53again all of these guys do it they always know places where there's other
51:57people because it's the NBA isn't built on a loan like a lone superstar league
52:04anymore you want to sit here and argue on the Tatum versus Brown one versus one
52:08a shit that's fine but reality is is like you need a couple of all-stars and
52:14really good up-and-coming players you know like a maxi you know coming up or
52:20one of those types of guys a Halliburton and this and that or other or a veteran
52:25team where you've got guys who know what the hell they're supposed to do with
52:28white and holiday obviously Porsche I guess this is bordering on a super team
52:31with the amount of talent Celtics have here you're not winning on your own
52:34anywhere so this this you know you're never gonna be that guy but again I do
52:39wonder what's going on with Kyrie and how he feels ending into this game it's
52:44another wild card is we said this before right the Mavericks can win with this
52:53with if Kyrie and Luca both have big games they cannot if they don't the
52:58Celtics can also still win if Kyrie and Luca have big games and they've done it
53:02this series but and they did it in game three they can beat them when just those
53:07guys go off which is again what I'm counting on for the rest of the way
53:11because I as you mentioned right when you came on it's one of the first things
53:15I hit on I dare the role players on the Mavericks to repeat this not just in
53:19game five but in five and six and seven so you can Kyrie goes soft and one of
53:24these garden games lights out that's it they don't have enough they don't have
53:27exactly out so again the reason I point to this is without almost any prompting
53:33this guy comes in here should have been riding as high as he could possibly be
53:36riding all series it starts with this dumb shit again it's in his head it has
53:41to be his head and if this is his way to try to motivate himself Kyrie hasn't
53:45been working man like he's been doing this for years and if TD garden takes it
53:49a step further and playing these quotes or a video clip from what you said today
53:54it's gonna get everyone even more fired up and ready to go and that's the thing
53:57man like guys like lively and gaffer men they had tremendous performances in game
54:02four right you know exactly the kind of type of play that these guys really need
54:06on a night-to-night basis throughout the series to be competitive to even keep up
54:09with the Celtics but can those guys do that in Boston especially if Kyrie gets
54:13off to a slow start that's a huge ask you know that's a huge ask for guys who
54:18already were just like stunned in game one it took a little bit to adapt and
54:24then when they soon as they sort of somewhat found some comfort they went
54:28back to Dallas or they went off to Dallas now they're back in Boston and
54:31honestly man if it's a slow start for Kyrie in that first half it's gonna be I
54:36wouldn't shock me for the same thing for those guys and it carries over you know
54:39yeah I do wonder how that's gonna he has to have a humongous start honestly like
54:45I think it's that important for these guys in their momentum yeah it is it is
54:50and I do think you know we talked about whether Joe liked the result I don't
54:54think so I think Joe was definitely taken aback by the loss you could tell
54:59him the tone of his press conference today he was you know Washburn asked him
55:03a question that gets swatted ten rows deep after you know under normal
55:06circumstances and he was and he answered it straight up I'm done I'm done messing
55:12around like we but I do think he is I think he feels good and confident that
55:17his guys got a message that like that was freaking embarrassing you know so I
55:24do think that that you know I don't think every single Celtics player can
55:28have the worst game of the playoffs all at once again and so that's why I feel a
55:34little bit better here and I don't know that the Mavericks can repeat the
55:38performance they got in game five so I feel good about it still in game five
55:42but you're right we're gonna be smashed as much as I want you guys to smash the
55:46like button we're gonna be smashing the panic button if they lose the game sticks
55:51oh man yeah look one way the other CLNS is with you all the way keep it here for
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56:39the way through so we always appreciate you guys joining us and we can't wait to
56:44see you all en masse tomorrow hopefully celebrating a win and banner 18 that's
56:50right nothing changes it was one more whoa and it remains one more and yes
56:55perhaps this ends Monday which would be great for the Celtics and great for the
56:59fans sad for us because we will miss you guys but yes let's get it done Monday
57:03thank you guys again for hanging out with us Josue Pavone Bobby Manning took
57:07off tomorrow we'll have the whole cast as well along with Jimmy Toscano and
57:10Sherrod Blakely so make sure you hang out with us right here on the stream as
57:16we bring you Celtics postgame coverage we'll be doing some pregame stuff as
57:19well thank you all and we will see you oh wait wait wait I gotta hit my little
57:24a little outro we'll see you tomorrow take care guys wait I'm it's got an
57:28outro for us I think no he doesn't
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