00:00What do you think, are you ready to talk to dummies and jokers?
00:06I don't think there has been a final decision in this regard.
00:09Mr. Gauhar has come today.
00:11We have a meeting this evening.
00:13Then he will put it before the committee.
00:16And a decision will be made as to what to do and what not to do.
00:20Will Mr. Khan's decision not be finalised?
00:22Of course it will be finalised.
00:23But Mr. Gauhar has to explain now.
00:25I spoke to him over the telephone.
00:26He said that we are meeting in the evening.
00:29He has already spoken to the press.
00:31Mr. Khan has given us the go-ahead.
00:33That Mr. Achakzai should do it without me.
00:35And you should contact him.
00:36Mr. Achakzai is absolutely right.
00:38He has said it.
00:39As for the rest, what will be the role of our party?
00:41What will be the conduct?
00:42What will be the involvement?
00:43What will be the extent of involvement?
00:44What are you doubting?
00:46No, I am not doubting.
00:47No, no, no.
00:48I am not talking about doubt.
00:49Or are you concerned?
00:50It is just that we have to discuss and finalise it.
00:52As to how to move forward.
00:54How?
00:55It has been decided that the political parties,
00:57including the PMLN, People's Party,
00:59will contact him.
01:00And there will be discussions.
01:01What I have spoken to Mr. Gauhar,
01:04I have got this indication from him.
01:06What I have spoken to him today.
01:07When he came to meet me after that.
01:09I am repeating this again and again.
01:11That this meeting will take place in the evening.
01:13The rest of the things that he could not say in front of the press.
01:17We will discuss that.
01:19And then we had to make statements.
01:21So we made statements.
01:22Were you surprised?
01:25No, no, no.
01:26I was not surprised.
01:27I was not surprised.
01:29You were expecting that the political parties will discuss this matter.
01:35After the hearing in the Supreme Court,
01:38the last presentation of Mr. Khan,
01:40the way in which the judge promoted this matter.
01:44Although I said in my tweet that this is not his role.
01:47I thought that maybe Mr. Khan should think about this.
01:51So what Mr. Gauhar said after meeting him,
01:54it seems that maybe there is a change of heart.
01:57But once again, let me qualify my statement by saying that
02:00when we get to know everything in the evening,
02:02then we will be able to make a definitive statement.
02:05The statement is in its place.
02:06Then you will arrange for how to go,
02:08which route to take,
02:10how to take,
02:11through whom to talk,
02:13what committee to form,
02:14which TORs are there.
02:15But the fact that you are ready to negotiate.
02:17This is a big shift in your policy.
02:20Do you agree to that?
02:21Mr. Khan has said that
02:22if Mr. Mahmood Khan Achakzai wants to take any lead,
02:26then he has said that this is a specific matter.
02:29So now we will…
02:30Mahmood Khan Achakzai will not talk under PKMAP, right?
02:34You are talking about a consolidated platform
02:37in which you are a key part,
02:39Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
02:40Yes, absolutely.
02:41So what will be our involvement in that?
02:44They will sit.
02:45All of them are coming today.
02:46A meeting is being held with them.
02:47All of them are coming.
02:48So this is kind of a face-saving, Mr. Rahul?
02:50No, I would not like to say that.
02:52Sir, what else is it?
02:53Mr. Achakzai will lead.
02:54We will also be in some form.
02:56But you are ready to talk.
02:57But you are not ready to come to the forefront
02:59because it goes against the very, very formula
03:02and the very narrative
03:03which you have adopted.
03:06What is the point?
03:07Let me tell you that there are two things.
03:11Number one, restore the mandate,
03:13which is there.
03:14And number two,
03:15release the political prisoners.
03:16These are the two issues
03:19that we would like to debate with them.
03:22That is it.
03:23And I think there was never any ambiguity in that.
03:26If they had come from their side
03:27that we are ready to discuss this,
03:29then maybe we would have talked to them before.
03:31We have only two requirements.
03:33We have only two.
03:34I mean, these famous dialogues come up,
03:36but in the past,
03:37Justice Umar Atta Bandiyal also showed the same way
03:39to Mr. Khan and your Jamaat.
03:40But maybe you were riding too high.
03:42You did not even consider it.
03:44And today, because the situation is different,
03:46you are pressed against the wall.
03:47You are seeing that the houses are being raided.
03:49People are getting phone calls.
03:50The situation is very tough for Tariq-e-Insaaf.
03:52The situation has never been good in the past two years.
03:55Because of the lack of options,
03:56you have finally agreed on this point
03:59that we should talk to the political parties.
04:01You are not convinced at heart, it seems.
04:03That's why I started.
04:04Now we will talk to dummies and jokers.
04:05These were your words.
04:06Look, the problem is that
04:08I am still convinced that
04:10they will not meet any of these two demands.
04:15So, if some voices are rising
04:18that we should talk,
04:20then let's talk and see.
04:21They will never talk about the mandate.
04:23They will never talk about
04:24releasing political prisoners.
04:26Because basically,
04:27they have nothing in their control.
04:29But they are dummies.
04:30I still believe that they are dummies.
04:32But let's talk and see.
04:34The judge will also be satisfied.
04:37And if our supporters also feel that
04:42this is a better way,
04:44then that way will also come in front of the public.
04:47You will also see what happens.
04:49No one came out even then.
04:51And I am convinced that
04:53no one will come out even now.
04:54Because basically,
04:55these people have nothing.
04:56They will listen to us and move forward.
04:58They will take permission,
04:59directions, guidance
05:00and then come back.
05:01At the end of it all,
05:02it's 0 plus 0 is equal to 0.
05:04Sir, this is an unachievable dream.
05:06In the beginning,
05:07you called them dummies in the first footing.
05:09You called them powerless.
05:11They have nothing.
05:13They have decided this as well.
05:14So, this will work as an unachievable dream.
05:17From the outside,
05:18the tone and tenor,
05:19you have completely knocked down
05:21your rhetoric against Moulana Fazlur Rehman.
05:24Even Mr. Gandapur is silent.
05:25Everyone is silent.
05:26Because if we all come together
05:27and take out a movement,
05:28if we come together on one page,
05:29then you see a kind of
05:30unbeatable protest
05:33and a movement can be formed.
05:36Here, you are not lowering your rhetoric.
05:39There is a CBM.
05:41Sir, you demand CBMs from the government.
05:43I wanted to ask you,
05:44what will be your demand?
05:45What would you want to see
05:46this government doing or saying
05:48so that you get confidence?
05:50They also need confidence.
05:52Will they sit at the table of
05:53Muzakirat after listening to the abuses?
05:56Many people have come from there.
05:58They have come to your programs as well.
05:59They have openly said that
06:00we are ready to go to them
06:01for Muzakirat.
06:02Mr. Rana Sanaullah is one of them.
06:04And then he also recently said
06:05that the door is closed now.
06:06After that, it has been opened again.
06:09Okay.
06:10They keep opening up.
06:11They keep saying the directions
06:12they get.
06:13See, the problem is that
06:14they do not have the strength.
06:16This is a reality that I subscribe to.
06:19And so does Mr. Khan.
06:21He also subscribes.
06:23He has said yes.
06:24Still, he is giving a go-ahead
06:25for the dialogue.
06:26He is giving a go-ahead for the dialogue.
06:27Engage in it.
06:28See, these are our two demands.
06:29Take it.
06:30It is an exercise.
06:31Do it.
06:32When Mr. Bandyal also said,
06:34it happened.
06:35You know, nothing came out of it.
06:36You will remember.
06:37And I have my own personal conviction
06:39that nothing will come out of it.
06:40Because what we are demanding,
06:41they are not ready to fulfill.
06:44Who gives their mandate?
06:45Whoever they meet,
06:46who picks up their mandate
06:47and gives it to them?
06:48Absolutely.
06:49That is right.
06:50So, we are below that.
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