00:00In 1968, when I started here, it was the first job I'd ever had.
00:13Well, the chap that interviewed me was Terry Busby, and he was a compass adjuster, and
00:20he was the head director of the company.
00:22I told him what I could do and what I couldn't do.
00:25There was no, I didn't have any qualifications there at all.
00:29And that's what he took me on for, because I was honest.
00:33It was real easy to learn off him, because you respected the chap for what he'd done
00:38in his life.
00:42You could make an instrument from start to finish.
00:45You could start off with machining, then you went to finishing off, you did spraying, soldering,
00:51brazing.
00:52So you'd never get bored with it.
00:54I made a complete compass when I was 20.
00:57It was a great start to a career, really.
00:59We used to get the captains coming in the shop.
01:02If they wanted something reliable, he would say he wanted a cook's compass.
01:10Then it got to the point where you got accountants running the boats, and then they would go
01:16for the cheapest option.
01:18A lot of people retired from here.
01:20I've had to adapt from making compasses and take on the role of making sextants and repairing
01:27sextants.
01:28So it's not been boring for me or anything like that.
01:31You've gone from one job to another to keep the company going.
01:38Well Sylvester came here to update one of our computers.
01:43The motherboard wasn't fitting into the case that they had already, so I came upstairs
01:49to see Brian, and then I was just asking him if he was able to just, you know, make
01:54a small, just to cut out the bit that wasn't fitting in.
01:59He wanted a hole cut in so he could plug this, I think it was a, what do you have, a summit
02:06card, wasn't it?
02:07He did the job so perfectly, so I was very impressed with how he did it and how quickly
02:13he did it.
02:14He sort of saw how it was done, like, and he thought, well, you know, I wouldn't mind
02:19doing that sort of thing.
02:21So when the opportunity came for me to maybe work with him, I was like, yes, yes, definitely.
02:30So there's Brian and also Norman, who worked at the instrument department, and they both
02:36taught me everything they knew, because there's a lot of knowledge that was imparted to them
02:41by the people that came before them.
02:44You've got to be able to suss problems out, you've got to be able to operate machinery,
02:51you know, and know the rough background of how things are made.
02:57They started me off quite slow, and then slowly, slowly, he would move me onto a different
03:04job and, like, make me repeat the process so I get practised.
03:10You've got to be able to turn on a lathe, do fitting, do drilling, do soldering, assembly,
03:20checking things over.
03:21So when you've finished the article or the instrument, you've got to be able to see it
03:28working and test it for yourself, so you know it's right, or you know it's wrong.
03:33He's been in the job since he was very young, so everything is kind of built into his muscle
03:39memory.
03:40So he's very good at what he does, he's very practised, and he's very professional.
03:46As a teacher, he's very patient, so learning from him is quite easy and enjoyable.
03:55I think part of what Brian wanted to do was passing on his knowledge, is for the knowledge
04:02to be passed forward.
04:04So it's only right that one day I do the same and pass it on to whoever would want that
04:10knowledge and make sure, you know, it's kept alive.
04:14That's how we keep improving, by making sure the future generations have the knowledge
04:19that's passed down to us, and making sure that it keeps happening.
04:24What's the future for you, are you good, like, do you ever see yourself retire?
04:32The future for me?
04:34Well, that's a good one, like.
04:38Well, I don't know.
04:41I won't be called up in the next war, that is a fact.
04:44It is one.
04:46Do you see yourself retiring?
04:49I mean, I'm only 71 now, like.
04:53I've got a good few years left in me.
04:55My father lived to be 101, so I've got another 20 years left in me for working, I would think.
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